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Posted: 7/19/2008 8:29:19 PM EDT
My MIL has a Raven .25 that she uses for HD. It works (Ive shot it in the past) and she won't accept anything from me as a replacement. Luckily she's a fav among the local police (she makes some great coffee) and lives in a decent neighborhood.
Link Posted: 7/19/2008 8:34:46 PM EDT
A shotgun with a pistol grip and no stock.
Link Posted: 7/19/2008 8:34:57 PM EDT
JC Higgins Bolt action 12 ga Goose Gun. Really REALLY long barrel.
Link Posted: 7/19/2008 8:38:24 PM EDT
M91/30
Link Posted: 7/19/2008 8:38:51 PM EDT
a hi point
Link Posted: 7/19/2008 8:43:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/19/2008 8:44:00 PM EDT by DernHumpus]

Originally Posted By bnielsonak47:
a hi point


A friend of mine- Iraq war vet and hipoint 45 owner- mocked my 9mm USP
Link Posted: 7/19/2008 8:43:58 PM EDT

Link Posted: 7/19/2008 8:44:49 PM EDT
doesn't an arfcommer have a freakin derringer for HD?
Link Posted: 7/19/2008 8:45:51 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Mall-Ninja:
doesn't an arfcommer have a freakin derringer for HD?


That'd be Pangea.

Even though he was just claiming it was 'in his pocket'.....
Link Posted: 7/19/2008 8:49:00 PM EDT


most worthless gun ever...
Link Posted: 7/19/2008 8:53:41 PM EDT
Link Posted: 7/19/2008 8:56:28 PM EDT
Tarus - the "Judge"
Link Posted: 7/19/2008 8:59:52 PM EDT
To me, one of the dumbest guns I've ever seen is a single action, old western style revolver called a "Buntline Special" IIRC. Not sure who made it or if it is still even made (I doubt it).

The "Buntline Special" had a barrel that looked like it was about 20 inches long. Okay so that's an exaggeration of course, but the barrel was outrageously long on it.

Looked like the dumbest gun I've ever seen, and the idea of attempting to use it for defense is risible.

Flame suit on for all the cowboy action shooter people who will doubtless be along shortly to tell me what a great, classic weapon it was.

As to guns that some people really do use for HD, any firearm made by "Lorcin" or "Jennings" is worthless shit. They are made largely of zinc alloy and "Chinese pot metal." I'm not a gun snob, but those turkeys really have no rightful place on dealer's shelves. And I would include your MIL's Raven in that category too.
Link Posted: 7/19/2008 9:01:54 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Tango7:

Originally Posted By boman250:
i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa279/boman250/pix955883203.jpg

most worthless gun ever...


I believe that would be right up there with the Guide Lamp Liberator as a true "last ditch" firearm.


You have never seen the German "Volkspistole" from the last days of the Third Reich, have you? The most hideous piece of spot welded junk you have ever seen.
Link Posted: 7/19/2008 9:02:08 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TGFB:
M91/30


i'd rather be shot with it than hear the noise the fucker would make indoors without ear protection. you'd never hear anything again.
Link Posted: 7/19/2008 9:06:51 PM EDT

Originally Posted By boman250:
i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa279/boman250/pix955883203.jpg

most worthless gun ever...


I have the .357 version. Have to hold it weird to keep it from biting me. More of a conversation piece than anything else.
Link Posted: 7/19/2008 9:07:42 PM EDT
Ithaca 16 gauge, bird shot of course, 24 inch barrel
Link Posted: 7/19/2008 9:15:14 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/19/2008 9:15:52 PM EDT by santanatwo]



in on page one
Link Posted: 7/19/2008 9:21:28 PM EDT
Link Posted: 7/19/2008 9:28:56 PM EDT
My Mother-In-Law had a High Standard Double Nine .22 revolver loaded with .22 shot shells to defend herself with. (Although it was just used to scare off stray dogs.) Here's a picture of it. Its on the bottom.

Link Posted: 7/19/2008 9:37:38 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DernHumpus:

Originally Posted By bnielsonak47:
a hi point


A friend of mine- Iraq war vet and hipoint 45 owner- mocked my 9mm USP



Holy shit thats funny because my buddy got his holstered 380 Hi Point mistaken for an H&K
Link Posted: 7/19/2008 9:39:10 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/19/2008 9:40:14 PM EDT by omega62]
Okay, I was compelled to dig up a public domain photo of a Buntline Special.

It was made by Colt (of all people!).

Imagine defending yourself with this:



The thing practically needs a vertical foregrip!
Link Posted: 7/19/2008 9:40:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/19/2008 9:41:42 PM EDT by Clockwork138]

Originally Posted By Ghetto:
My MIL has a Raven .25 that she uses for HD. It works (Ive shot it in the past) and she won't accept anything from me as a replacement. Luckily she's a fav among the local police (she makes some great coffee) and lives in a decent neighborhood.

Same here with my mother-in-law. Some Saturday Night Special .25 of which I couldn't determine it's origin. IIRC, it had "FR" on the grip medallions. The thing looked like it hadn't been cleaned or oil in years. The ammo... FMJs with one chambered for who knows how long.

I give her my M85 for HD when she house-sits for us.


Originally Posted By Napoleon_Tanerite:

Originally Posted By TGFB:
M91/30


i'd rather be shot with it than hear the noise the fucker would make indoors without ear protection. you'd never hear anything again.

No shit. Not to mention the length of the rifle. I can't even imagine navigating hallways in the dead of night with a 48", WWII battle rifle.
Link Posted: 7/19/2008 9:41:27 PM EDT
This is my go to gun for HD



....

But seriously i do have a pistol grip mossberg 500 in my bathroom as my bathroom gun (getting a stock for it soon). My real go to gun is one of my black rifles
Link Posted: 7/19/2008 9:44:14 PM EDT

Originally Posted By jrinfoley:
My Mother-In-Law had a High Standard Double Nine .22 revolver loaded with .22 shot shells to defend herself with. (Although it was just used to scare off stray dogs.) Here's a picture of it. Its on the bottom.

img.photobucket.com/albums/v466/jrinfoley/P1000290.jpg


Jrinfoley,

How do you like that Sentinel Deluxe in the pic? I recently picked up a 4" model from the late '60s, and its not a bad DA .22 revolver.
Link Posted: 7/19/2008 9:45:09 PM EDT

Originally Posted By sleepy56ace:
This is my go to gun for HD

i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk130/sleepy56ace/PICT0847.jpg

....

But seriously i do have a pistol grip mossberg 500 in my bathroom as my bathroom gun (getting a stock for it soon). My real go to gun is one of my black rifles


HEY! YOU'VE GOT A BUNTLINE SPECIAL WITH A SHOULDER STOCK ON IT!

HA HA HA HA HA!
Link Posted: 7/19/2008 9:48:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/19/2008 9:49:55 PM EDT by the_great_snag]
Ok, the Buntline was kinda silly, but it's still a Colt single action, which automatically makes it cool!

ETA: Once when I was really poor I kept an 1951 Navy Colt replica loaded on the nightstand. They worked for Wild Bill after all...
Link Posted: 7/19/2008 9:51:08 PM EDT
My buntline special has a trigger than will put ANY other rifle to shame....i bet its like 0.4 ouncess (yes ounces, not pounds)
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 5:37:42 AM EDT

Originally Posted By TNARShooter:

Originally Posted By boman250:
i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa279/boman250/pix955883203.jpg

most worthless gun ever...


I have the .357 version. Have to hold it weird to keep it from biting me. More of a conversation piece than anything else.


My wifes is the .410/45lc and i cant hit anything with the 45lc and .410 birdshot is worthless for anything but snakes. But definately a good conversation piece.
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 5:48:51 AM EDT
My grandpa has a Bryco/Jennings .380 that he did use for home protection. The gun seemed like a cheap piece of shit. Also my grandpa has had the gun for like 20 or 30 years and has never shot it or lube it and the gun is loaded with fmj rounds. Luckily he has never had any type of home invasion.
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 5:53:23 AM EDT

Originally Posted By omega62:

Originally Posted By sleepy56ace:
This is my go to gun for HD

i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk130/sleepy56ace/PICT0847.jpg

....

But seriously i do have a pistol grip mossberg 500 in my bathroom as my bathroom gun (getting a stock for it soon). My real go to gun is one of my black rifles


HEY! YOU'VE GOT A BUNTLINE SPECIAL WITH A SHOULDER STOCK ON IT!

HA HA HA HA HA!



You do know a Buntline special should come with a shoulder stock right? Lengend has it that Wyat Earp used somethin similiar is his career as a lawman. While I agree with you it loos clumsy and unweildy I would prefer it to a Lorcin, Hi point, Jennings or a TEC-9
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 5:58:58 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/20/2008 6:01:18 AM EDT by Bob1984]


Rohm RG10. It's one of the cheap pre-'68 "saturday night specials". It holds 6 rounds of .22 Short. I'd have to call it the most useless gun ever. The trigger is very poor and the gun is not capable of any accuracy at any range. Additionally, the revolver uses side-gate loading, and spent cases have to be punched out manually with a pin...

Link Posted: 7/20/2008 6:00:59 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/20/2008 6:09:39 AM EDT by Sturmgewehr-58]


A relative of mine used this .22 Short to kill his wife, then himself in 1973. It was taken as evidence by the police, and later returned to another uncle of mine.

He kept it loaded with ammunition from the same box of ammo used in the previous murder/suicide, so the ammunition was pretty old by this point. A couple years later, he tried to use the gun to shoot a mugger but the rounds wouldn't fire. Luckily, the mugger took off anyway.

My uncle gave me the gun a few months ago, still loaded with the misfired rounds he tried to shoot the mugger with 30 years ago. He also gave me the box of ammunition, missing 12 rounds, six of which were still in the gun, the other six having been used in the murder/suicide.
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 6:12:58 AM EDT
My standard for testing a cartridge is to use scraps of 2x4s. Many manufacturers made zillions of guns in .25 ACP, but I'd rather throw a chair at the intruder!
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 6:17:07 AM EDT
I used to have a Scorpion .22 (made by the same idiots that brought us the Tech 9) that I bought from a friend who needed money for a $100 bill. It was the proverbial jam-o-matic and used Ruger 10/22 extended mags.

(I sold it for over $400 on GunBroker back during the ban because it had the evil shrouded AND threaded barrel, and I didn't even give them an extended mag to go with it...) I'm gonna burn in hekk for that one, ain't I?
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 6:19:27 AM EDT
A friend of a girlfriend lived in "da hood" (off of Van Brunt in KC for those who know the area) & kept a single shot bolt action Mossberg .410 shotgun for home defense.

For a while after I moved out the only gun my parents had handy was a Remington 521T .22lr bolt action. Quiet, sleepy small/mid sized town so they weren't too worried.
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 6:33:59 AM EDT
Single shot shotgun.

"What if there are two them?"....."That's why I carry an extra shell"....."What if you miss?"...."Miss, it's a shotgun!!!"


Link Posted: 7/20/2008 6:42:59 AM EDT

Originally Posted By jrinfoley:
My Mother-In-Law had a High Standard Double Nine .22 revolver loaded with .22 shot shells to defend herself with. (Although it was just used to scare off stray dogs.) Here's a picture of it. Its on the bottom.

img.photobucket.com/albums/v466/jrinfoley/P1000290.jpg


I have that exact same model myself. Though not for home defense. It was my favorite toy as a youngster. We killed LOTS of enemy beer cans in years past.
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 6:49:05 AM EDT
For many years the only two firearms my dad owned were a .22 revolver and a .22 bolt action rifle. Had I known as a kid what I do now, I wouldn't have felt as safe as I did then.

He still holds on to many of the old firearms myths, and still thinks a .22 will stop someone. Perhaps it will, but its still an extremely poor choice.
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 7:14:33 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Maryland_Shooter:
Tarus - the "Judge"


That gets my vote, provided that the owner chooses .410 instead of .45 Colt. .45 is a fine defensive load. .410 is not, especially in a revolver.
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 7:20:45 AM EDT
When I was in high school (1982), my girl friends mom used a four barrel COP derringer in 357 magnum. It got points for the strangeness factor, but not very practical for a small built woman (or anyone for that matter).
Flyingrhino
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 7:21:03 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Bob1984:
www.oa2.org/forums/files/thumbs/t_a_941.jpg

Rohm RG10. It's one of the cheap pre-'68 "saturday night specials". It holds 6 rounds of .22 Short. I'd have to call it the most useless gun ever. The trigger is very poor and the gun is not capable of any accuracy at any range. Additionally, the revolver uses side-gate loading, and spent cases have to be punched out manually with a pin...



That was the first gun I ever owned. Bought it for $5 from a kid in school, when I was 15 years old. (These days, that would be a major felony, federal and state.) Inaccurate as all get out, but that would be expected with a barrel that wobbled noticeably in the frame. Shot at lots of tin cans, but don't recall ever hitting one. Still, it got me hooked on guns, and I had a lot of fun shooting it. Amazingly, I never felt any temptation to hold up a 7-11 or a liquor store. It was just good clean all-American fun for a teenage boy.

If I ever see one for sale, I will buy it, just for the nostalgia.
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 7:25:26 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Bob1984:
www.oa2.org/forums/files/thumbs/t_a_941.jpg

Rohm RG10. It's one of the cheap pre-'68 "saturday night specials". It holds 6 rounds of .22 Short. I'd have to call it the most useless gun ever. The trigger is very poor and the gun is not capable of any accuracy at any range. Additionally, the revolver uses side-gate loading, and spent cases have to be punched out manually with a pin...




Eh. Dunno on this one. My grandmother used one of those to shoot a home invader, hitting him three times out of four rounds, causing him to flee and leave her alone. (He went to a hospital where he died of his wounds.)
I've also worked a burglary where the homeowner, against dispatcher advice, was clearing his house with a 1911 held movie style, pointing up. He shot himself in the chin while turning a corner, DRT.
So, which was worse for HD?????

(Oh, side note to stir up shit------the burglar was charged with murder after the homeowner killed himself.)
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 7:30:16 AM EDT

Originally Posted By scotchymcdrinkerbean:

Originally Posted By Bob1984:
www.oa2.org/forums/files/thumbs/t_a_941.jpg

Rohm RG10. It's one of the cheap pre-'68 "saturday night specials". It holds 6 rounds of .22 Short. I'd have to call it the most useless gun ever. The trigger is very poor and the gun is not capable of any accuracy at any range. Additionally, the revolver uses side-gate loading, and spent cases have to be punched out manually with a pin...




Eh. Dunno on this one. My grandmother used one of those to shoot a home invader, hitting him three times out of four rounds, causing him to flee and leave her alone. (He went to a hospital where he died of his wounds.)
I've also worked a burglary where the homeowner, against dispatcher advice, was clearing his house with a 1911 held movie style, pointing up. He shot himself in the chin while turning a corner, DRT.
So, which was worse for HD?????

(Oh, side note to stir up shit------the burglar was charged with murder after the homeowner killed himself.)
good
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 7:31:13 AM EDT
AR-15 w/ FMJ rounds....

I hope anyone that uses their AR-15 for HD has brick walls or no neighbors...


Link Posted: 7/20/2008 7:34:14 AM EDT
Breech-loading .410.
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 7:45:21 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/20/2008 7:52:52 AM EDT by Bob1984]

Originally Posted By Thatdude333:
AR-15 w/ FMJ rounds....

I hope anyone that uses their AR-15 for HD has brick walls or no neighbors...




Actually, you should be hoping their AR isn't an SBR, that the bullets have an impact velocity over 2700 fps, and that the bullets are made to M193 or M855 specs.





The average man's torso is about 23 cm thick. Larger people may have thicker torsos. Skin on the opposite side of the target can provide as much resistance to bullet penetration as 10 cm (4 inches) of muscle tissue.

The bones of the hands and forearms can also serve to impede bullet penetration. A hostile target aiming a gun at you is likely to have their hands and forearms in front of their torso.

Because of these factors, the FBI recommends a minimum penetration of 30.5 cm in gelatin (12 inches). About 35.6 cm (14 inches) of penetration is gelatin is ideal, while 45.7+ cm (18+ inches) of penetration is not desirable.

When dealing with a target that has the ability to shoot back, lack of penetration will get you killed.
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 7:47:18 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Milquetoast:

Originally Posted By Maryland_Shooter:
Tarus - the "Judge"


That gets my vote, provided that the owner chooses .410 instead of .45 Colt. .45 is a fine defensive load. .410 is not, especially in a revolver.


That's the first gun/ammo combination I thought of
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 7:55:46 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Bob1984:

Originally Posted By Thatdude333:
AR-15 w/ FMJ rounds....

I hope anyone that uses their AR-15 for HD has brick walls or no neighbors...




Actually, you should be hoping their AR isn't an SBR, that the bullets have an impact velocity over 2700 fps, and that the bullets are made to M193 or M855 specs.

www.firearmstactical.com/images/Wound%20Profiles/M193.jpg

www.firearmstactical.com/images/Wound%20Profiles/M855.jpg

The average man's torso is about 23 cm thick. Larger people may have thicker torsos. Skin on the opposite side of the target can provide as much resistance to bullet penetration as 10 cm (4 inches) of muscle tissue.

The bones of the hands and forearms can also serve to impede bullet penetration. A hostile target aiming a gun at you is likely to have their hands and forearms in front of their torso.

Because of these factors, the FBI recommends a minimum penetration of 30.5 cm in gelatin (12 inches). About 35.6 cm (14 inches) of penetration is gelatin is ideal, while 45.7+ cm (18+ inches) of penetration is not desirable.

When dealing with a target that has the ability to shoot back, lack of penetration will get you killed.


PWN3D!!!!
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 8:01:31 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Jason280:

Originally Posted By jrinfoley:
My Mother-In-Law had a High Standard Double Nine .22 revolver loaded with .22 shot shells to defend herself with. (Although it was just used to scare off stray dogs.) Here's a picture of it. Its on the bottom.

img.photobucket.com/albums/v466/jrinfoley/P1000290.jpg


Jrinfoley,

How do you like that Sentinel Deluxe in the pic? I recently picked up a 4" model from the late '60s, and its not a bad DA .22 revolver.


Its a pretty nice revolver. I got that one from my Father-In-Law. He used to carry it while he worked his apple orchard. I got the Ruger single six from him too!
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 8:01:43 AM EDT
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