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Posted: 4/18/2016 10:41:12 PM EDT
I'm debating on whether I need one or not, for hunting and general farting around. Likely in either .223 or .243.

On the other hand, I have a spare 16 inch 1:9 flattop upper lying around, and for about the same money as an H&R and scope, I can purchase a PSA blem lower and scope that and have a dedicated hunting AR. I'm thinking about that, too.

I'm also open to other suggestions in the same general price range.
Link Posted: 4/18/2016 10:59:25 PM EDT
My dad bought one in 45-70. I don't think he was satisfied with the accuracy. Sold it and went with a Marlin Lever instead.
Link Posted: 4/18/2016 11:01:23 PM EDT
I've heard of issues with them keeping a repeatable zero. That said savage makes the axis which isn't far off the price point mark and is far better
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Link Posted: 4/18/2016 11:05:10 PM EDT
Not very interesting. But I assume they are sturdy.
Link Posted: 4/18/2016 11:05:49 PM EDT
Had one in .223 it had a 1:14 twist barrel, the least accurate rifle I had ever owned, I put 100 rds thru it and sold it. Could not shoot a group the size of a folgers coffee can laying on its side.
Link Posted: 4/18/2016 11:06:03 PM EDT
Supposedly H&R / NEF went out of business.
Link Posted: 4/18/2016 11:28:37 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 4/18/2016 11:33:26 PM EDT
IME, folks get all nostalgic over a single shot and get one of these only to grow tired of it 90% of the time and sell it.


IF you want a single shot to enjoy, get a No. 1 and be done.
Link Posted: 4/18/2016 11:39:55 PM EDT
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I do think they were shut down, even if the rifles are still out there
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Originally Posted By vanilla_gorilla:
Originally Posted By Rivnut:
Supposedly H&R / NEF went out of business.



http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/36_262/products_id/89086/New+England+SB2-S43+HANDI-RIFLE+SYN+243

I do think they were shut down, even if the rifles are still out there


Given all the "out of stock" rifles at Buds, I believe it
Link Posted: 4/18/2016 11:49:50 PM EDT
So, it sounds like I'm much farther ahead by spending $200 on a lower and using my 16 upper for this toy, and adding a scope.
Link Posted: 4/18/2016 11:57:19 PM EDT
I own two. I like them both.

An NEF Sportster in 17 HMR. I paid $99 for it.
Really accurate. Trigger is so-so. I have the old Bushnell 10x Elite scope on it. Very accurate.
Useless caliber but tons of fun anyway.

A H&R/1871 Buffalo Classic in 45/70 It's great. I added a proper Williams receiver sight and it gets way out there, accurately.
It's been my main trunk bumming-around-gun for a few years.
If you see one grab it. It's one of the better guns NEF/H&R made in recent years.
Get one made before Big Green fucked up the quality
Link Posted: 4/19/2016 12:05:45 AM EDT
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I do think they were shut down, even if the rifles are still out there
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Originally Posted By vanilla_gorilla:
Originally Posted By Rivnut:
Supposedly H&R / NEF went out of business.



http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/36_262/products_id/89086/New+England+SB2-S43+HANDI-RIFLE+SYN+243

I do think they were shut down, even if the rifles are still out there

Looks like they're still in business under the H&R 1871 brand name. "We will discontinue the use of the New England Firearms brand name on our current firearms but not on firearm parts. There will be no product changes."

http://www.hr1871.com/Brandtransition/
Link Posted: 4/19/2016 12:10:31 AM EDT
I got one in 45-70 as a handloading testbed. They are strong actions, much more than my shoulder. I put a whole box of high-end Marlin-level loads through mine without any issues other than developing a severe flinch. For the price it isn't bad, and the weight is nice if you want to take it overland any real distance.

In 223 I'd get a cheap bolt gun instead. The H&R is nearly the same price and the bolt-action isn't much heavier (but much more useful).
Link Posted: 4/19/2016 12:29:52 AM EDT
I have 4 and never ever had any kind of problem. I have never heard of them having a problem holding zero. How is that even possible with the scope mount on the barrel?

I have the survivor model in 223 with heavy barrel. Its far more accurate then I am and has taken coyotes, deer and pigs. Paid a tad over 200 for it.

I have one in 243 and it has taken deer and pigs, shoots great, never any issues. Paid 200 for it.

Got a 12 gauge for my son and a youth 20 gauge for my daughter. No problems with either one shooting any and all ammo. Paid 125 each for them both.

They aren't fancy and wont win a beauty contest but they are stupid simple, built like a tank and go bang every time you need it to.
Link Posted: 4/19/2016 12:38:50 AM EDT
You can(could) buy extra barrels for cheap. You sent the receiver back to have the barrels fitted to the frame. Tons of different calibers.

I have one with a heavy barrel .223, a 30.06, and a three-inch rifled 12 gauge slug barrel. The .223, even with cheap glass is accurate and the 30.06 punishes on both ends. The slug barrel is an odd duck. It has sights, but it's hard to see them because it's hard to get a good cheek weld on the stock. It will also stomp a mudhole in your butt with 3-inch shells.

Also, be aware there are two different frames for these rifles. I think the 12 gauge shotgun frame will handle all centerfire rifles. The smaller .22 and 20 gauge frames will not.
Link Posted: 4/19/2016 12:58:51 AM EDT
I've got the Hand .300AAC as a suppressor and night vision host. I'm satisfied with accuracy.
Link Posted: 4/19/2016 1:13:58 AM EDT
Had a heavy barreled one in a Choate stock. It never would shoot right offhand due to varying pressure points with a sling. It was spooky accurate from a bench. Finally got rid of it after finding out it was physically impossible to free float the barrel and still keep a sling.
Link Posted: 4/19/2016 1:19:49 AM EDT
An old trick with them is to place an o ring between the front handguard and the barrel over the screw that secures the forearm to the barrel, thus freefloating the barrel. Makes a difference.
Link Posted: 4/19/2016 1:26:28 AM EDT
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Looks like they're still in business under the H&R 1871 brand name. "We will discontinue the use of the New England Firearms brand name on our current firearms but not on firearm parts. There will be no product changes."

http://www.hr1871.com/Brandtransition/
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Originally Posted By Forester458:
Originally Posted By Aimless:
Originally Posted By vanilla_gorilla:
Originally Posted By Rivnut:
Supposedly H&R / NEF went out of business.



http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/36_262/products_id/89086/New+England+SB2-S43+HANDI-RIFLE+SYN+243

I do think they were shut down, even if the rifles are still out there

Looks like they're still in business under the H&R 1871 brand name. "We will discontinue the use of the New England Firearms brand name on our current firearms but not on firearm parts. There will be no product changes."

http://www.hr1871.com/Brandtransition/



Try calling. They're out of business, currently.
Link Posted: 4/19/2016 1:38:08 AM EDT
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An old trick with them is to place an o ring between the front handguard and the barrel over the screw that secures the forearm to the barrel, thus freefloating the barrel. Makes a difference.
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^^^^^^Yep. O ring make it day and night when shooting. On the lager calibers 45 Colt,44 mag, 444 and 45-70 slug the barrel and check the diameter. Many shoot great with cast bullets.
Link Posted: 4/19/2016 1:40:11 AM EDT
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Try calling. They're out of business, currently.
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Originally Posted By Forester458:
Originally Posted By Aimless:
Originally Posted By vanilla_gorilla:
Originally Posted By Rivnut:
Supposedly H&R / NEF went out of business.



http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/36_262/products_id/89086/New+England+SB2-S43+HANDI-RIFLE+SYN+243

I do think they were shut down, even if the rifles are still out there

Looks like they're still in business under the H&R 1871 brand name. "We will discontinue the use of the New England Firearms brand name on our current firearms but not on firearm parts. There will be no product changes."

http://www.hr1871.com/Brandtransition/



Try calling. They're out of business, currently.
They are closed and out of business, the last employee Brian was let go sometime last year.
Link Posted: 4/19/2016 1:57:31 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Bubbatheredneck:
IME, folks get all nostalgic over a single shot and get one of these only to grow tired of it 90% of the time and sell it.



IF you want a single shot to enjoy, get a No. 1 TC contender or encore and be done.
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FIFY

Speed
Link Posted: 4/19/2016 9:46:56 AM EDT
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They are closed and out of business, the last employee Brian was let go sometime last year.
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Originally Posted By Aimless:


I do think they were shut down, even if the rifles are still out there


Looks like they're still in business under the H&R 1871 brand name. "We will discontinue the use of the New England Firearms brand name on our current firearms but not on firearm parts. There will be no product changes."

http://www.hr1871.com/Brandtransition/


Try calling. They're out of business, currently.


They are closed and out of business, the last employee Brian was let go sometime last year.


They're part of Remington/Freedom Group, and still shipping rifles as far as I'm aware.
Link Posted: 4/19/2016 10:31:09 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By ChadG:
Had one in .223 it had a 1:14 twist barrel, the least accurate rifle I had ever owned, I put 100 rds thru it and sold it. Could not shoot a group the size of a folgers coffee can laying on its side.
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I had the same issue, same twist, until I started using Winchester White Box Varmint rounds, 45 gr hollow point. It will shoot MOA with those.

ETA I had the heavy barrel.
Link Posted: 4/19/2016 10:44:52 AM EDT
I've got a Survivor HB .223 that I had cut and threaded. Fun little gun. I also had a .45Colt/.410 barrel fitted, but haven't shot it in that configuration.
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I have never heard of them having a problem holding zero. How is that even possible with the scope mount on the barrel?
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The barrel heats up as you shoot and expands thus changing the dynamics of the of the scope base/mounts, shifting POA. The Ruger #1 has the same problem.
Link Posted: 4/19/2016 12:11:03 PM EDT
I've got one in .270 with a Nikon Prostaff scope.

Three shot groups about 1 MOA. I don't shoot more than that as I don't want to heat up the barrel.

In the field, hunting deer, I'll only be doing a shot or two anyway.

I love the light weight and how small it is, points great, good trigger.
Link Posted: 4/19/2016 12:13:04 PM EDT
I always figured they would be a good option as a cabin rifle, something you get for cheap and leave there. Get one in a universal caliber of some sort.
Link Posted: 4/19/2016 12:16:02 PM EDT
yes
Link Posted: 4/19/2016 12:24:32 PM EDT
Mine took a shit in 45/70 Wont fire and its a known issue with the firing pin hitting off center. I have it at a buddys house who is a new gun smith so he can play with it and try to fix it. Another friend has same rifle in 444. Action was not completely locked shut when he fired causing the front end to fly downward and hit the outside of the box blind losing his zero by 3 inches. Besides that the design is sound but I dont think he current execution is good
Link Posted: 4/19/2016 12:33:46 PM EDT
I knew a guy that had one in 22 Hornet, was a fairly accurate rifle especially considering how much it cost.
Link Posted: 4/19/2016 12:38:16 PM EDT
I have a 300 bo and a 357 handi rifle and I'm always looking out for more at a decent price. For me the part where they really shine is for reloaders and as suppressor hosts.
Link Posted: 4/19/2016 12:50:25 PM EDT
Had a .223. Real inaccurate POS. I actually sent it back and they sent me some target with a better then 1" group. I sent them some pictures of some of my groups with my thumpers, after first recomfirming the .223 wouldnt shoot worth a damn, and told them not only did they make a crap product but they are Liars. Then I gave the rifle away.
Link Posted: 4/19/2016 12:53:01 PM EDT
Link Posted: 4/19/2016 5:06:34 PM EDT
My friend's 45/70 doesn't group worth a darn.
Link Posted: 4/19/2016 5:27:49 PM EDT
I'd love one in 50 Beowulf.

My shop had one in .500 S&W I was eyeballing..
Link Posted: 4/19/2016 5:29:00 PM EDT
I thought about getting one in some big ass caliber, but I really prefer semis.
Link Posted: 4/19/2016 5:33:22 PM EDT
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I've a .45-75 Shikari and it's very accurate but I stick to Trapdoor level loadings.

Link Posted: 4/19/2016 5:37:03 PM EDT
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I've got the Hand .300AAC as a suppressor and night vision host. I'm satisfied with accuracy.
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pics?
Link Posted: 4/19/2016 5:46:10 PM EDT
From what I hear from people I know the same mixed bag as I see posted here .
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