I remember during the DC "sniper" case you people were bashing the Moose constantly.  And now another Moose-Bashing thread is going on.

Why do you people disparage him so much?  I'm not saying you're wrong, but I don't know what went on behind the scenes, so I don't think I'm fit to judge whether Moose did a good job or not.

I will agree though that he seemed pretty incompetant during his public announcements.

So let's hear it: why don't you like Moose?

Lets see.....

When the shootings first occured, he declared it must be a deranged, right-wing white male working alone.

Early on, witnesses reported a pair of black men in a car fleeing the shooting scene.  Moose decided this didn't have anything to do with the case and didn't put an APB out on it.

When the ID of the snipers was finally discovered by the FBI, a trucker called in to report he found them.  Moose ordered him not to interfere (he ignored Moose and blocked the car until the cops arrived).

After they were caught, it turns out the cops had stopped Malvo and Mohammed THREE TIMES for speeding (in the vicinity of the latest shootings) but because Moose refused to release those early witnesses' reports that black men had been seen fleeing the shootings, (they didn't fit the police's profile of the single white man in a white moving van or truck) many people were needlessly murdered.

He is a racist socialist pig. Who rose to his position due to afirmative action in spite of hie questionable record.

Just ask anyone who knew him in Portland, Or.

Yeah, dats da name of dat tune.

Moose is a racist, dumbass token Negro with a giant chip on his shoulder, who has been promoted to a position way above his skills. He doesn't even speak English!

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Heyba, Iba beba cheeefba mooseba.

Did we mention that he's VPC's lapdog? He is rabidly anti-gun, yet sees no problem with allowing himself, family and members of his force access to carry concealed. Yet sees no ggod reason for us to even be allowed to own them.

On numerous occasions, he's supported an outright BAN on assault rifles in MD. He actually wants to come and get them.

Any more questions, viejo?

You mean besides the fact that he is a racist, complete dumb fuck who got a bunch of people killed?

2 witnesses (who were black by the way) accurately described the REAL shooters and their vehicle. Moose discounted the report and continued to look for a "white man in a white van."

Then he more or less dared the shooters to pop a kid when he made statements about how "children are safe and should be taken to school, they could never get your kids." The next victim was a child shot on school grounds.

The rest of it such as liberal use of ebonics and demonstrated lack of capacity as a COP is all icing on the cake. Daryll Gates would never have lasted as long.

Don't forget Moose's insistence on being able to release his book, prosecution case be damned.

Why don't you "axe" him why he's so disliked?

[b]DING DING DING!!! - WE HAVE A WINNER!!![/b]



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[b]"Your children are not safe anywhere at any time."
~ [red]Charles Moose,[/red] Montgomery County Chief Of Poh-leeth.
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Wow, sounds like he is a pretty bad guy after all.

I don't mind him speaking with a black dialect, but his outright refusal  to consider that the shooters were brothers and insistence that they were white people sounds pretty inexcusable.

I also didn't know that Moose was a rabid gun-grabber.  So now that you guys have edumacated me, Fuck that SOB!!!

-Nick Viejo.

Not sure what a black "dialect" is, is their a country called "Black"?

But I do have a problem with 4th grade level broken English. Especially in positions of authority. How would you like to be a college educated officer serving under someone whose gonna "axe a question"? You didn't hear Colin Powell go on about how he was gonna "Invade dis mutha fucka."

If Moose was a janitor or in some other minor position his demonstrated lack of education received would be of little consequence. But in positions of responsiblity, and more importantly positions of authority it is unnacceptable. It implies there was no better qualified candidate and everyone knows that is simply not true.

How dare you expect someone to be able to speak English correctly! Where is your sensitivity & dedication to diversity?

Clearly you have issues with the spoken word being done properly.

And it's a DAMN good thing!    [}:D]

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[b]Chief Moose cost lives

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Posted: November 8, 2002
1:00 a.m. Eastern



By Paul Sperry



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WASHINGTON – Fox News, CNN, the Washington Post. The interviews lionizing Montgomery County Police Chief Charles A. Moose keep coming. Time magazine named him "Person of the Week." Book deals are in the offing.

His office door is adorned with a huge thank-you letter from area school kids. Fruit baskets, flowers and other gifts continue to arrive from grateful citizens. One Maryland couple gave him a case of champagne.

Sheets spray-painted with "Moose for President" hang from highway overpasses here. There's even a "Chief Moose Fan Club" website replete with songs and poems praising the "superhero." Its founder calls Moose "brilliant."

Part of me doesn't care who gets credit for capturing the Beltway snipers, however misplaced that credit may be, so long as they're off the streets.

My family, like most in the Beltway area, was terrorized by them for three long weeks. After they shot someone near my neighborhood, I set the pump handle at the gas station and jumped back into my car whenever I filled up the tank. I did most of the shopping, zigzagging in the parking lot and feeling like an idiot. No more walking to school; my wife and I drove our school-aged child right up to the school's side entrance.

We were just as paralyzed and nerve-racked as everyone else around the capital, as the snipers methodically picked off 13 random people. Sounds crazy to live in such fear given the tiny statistical probability of being shot. But unless you were here, you can't fully understand what a nightmare it was – worse even than the D.C. anthrax scare. You can avoid opening your mail, or take drugs if you're exposed to germ spores. But there's no antibiotic for a bullet to the head.

At the same time, another part of me knows that rewarding incompetence validates incompetence, and can even institutionalize it, leading to more mistakes in similar cases down the road.

It's bad enough that we reward incompetence in public education. Doing it in law enforcement, where mistakes can cost lives, should never be tolerated, especially when Islamic terrorism now threatens us in our homes.

Truth is, John Allen Muhammad and Lee Boyd "John" Malvo, both black Muslims, were caught in spite of Moose, not because of him.

Racial hypersensitivity delayed their capture, costing lives. Moose, a staunch foe of racial profiling, refused to go after suspects of color. (He and his second wife, a white civil-rights lawyer, are pathologically race-conscious, a matter I'll return to later.)

The sniper task force, which Moose led from start to finish, questioned white men right up to the day arrest warrants were issued for Muhammad and Malvo.

Take Tim Carter and his boss, Mark Fanning. On Oct. 22, task-force detectives paid them a visit at their P-Com Network Services offices in Sterling, Va.

"I was yanked out of a staff meeting," Fanning told me.

Carter said the detectives asked "embarrassing" questions, such as whether they'd been in the vicinity of any of the shootings.

It wasn't until the snipers gave themselves away by bragging about another murder in Alabama that police broke the case on Oct. 23.

If not for that boast, Moose might still be profiling white guys.[/b]

(continued)

[b]The whole ordeal could have been over Oct. 3, when D.C. police ran the plates on Muhammad's car just hours before he or Malvo shot their sixth victim, a 72-year-old D.C. man.

But they weren't stopped, because according to D.C. Police Chief Charles Ramsey, "We were looking for a white van with white people."

Both descriptions turned out to be wrong.

But only the description of the white vehicle was based on eyewitness accounts, not the description of "white people." That was based on stock psychological profiles of mass murderers (pre-Sept. 11) and phone tips from people suspicious of white spouses, boyfriends and neighbors with guns.

Yet one witness to a Maryland shooting on Oct. 3 described two "Hispanic" men in a white vehicle. Other early witnesses ID'd "dark-skinned" men in a white vehicle. At least one witness, a woman, said she saw a black man.

Those physical descriptions of the suspects were dismissed by Moose, while the physical descriptions of the vehicles were treated as gospel. In fact, Moose issued composite graphics of the mythical white truck and van.

But he refused to release a composite sketch of a suspect based on witness accounts, because he didn't want to "paint some group." Snipers were terrorizing Washington, assassinating people left and right, even a boy, and the top cop on the case was more concerned about offending a minority group than catching the killers. That's incompetence writ large and should be called by its proper name, black official or not.

And it wasn't just white vans that Moose had police look for in those dragnets. They were looking for white drivers.

In fact, police who checked cars on roads and freeways following each shooting were ordered to wave cars by if the drivers were minorities or females, according to one ATF agent. They were told to search only cars with white males behind the wheel.

Even when additional witnesses at a Home Depot shooting, separate from the one witness who lied, described suspects as being dark-skinned, Moose saw only white. In fact, he tossed their statements, implying they were colored by the bad witness. Fairfax County police had to "re-interview" their good witnesses, a spokeswoman told me, who were never heard from again.

Derek Baliles, one of Moose's officers at the Rockville, Md., headquarters, said that even if they still insisted they saw dark-skinned assailants, it would be hard to believe. He said the lights were bad in the parking garage. He even suggested they could have seen white guys in dark "make-up."

"We don't want anyone to give up on the fact that it could be a white guy," Baliles told me.

It was almost as if Moose and his investigators hoped the shootings were the work of a racist white guy – even though it defied logic, as whites were among his victims.

And the patternless shootings appeared designed only to spread terror in the nation's capital, which just a year earlier was attacked by Islamic terrorists.

Yet no one on Moose's task force put two-and-two together.

FBI Special Agent Larry Foust, a task force member borrowed from the bureau's Baltimore field office, criminal division, expressed surprise when I asked him if the task force had canvassed the Dar Al-Hijrah mosque in Falls Church, Va., which is nine-tenths of a mile from the Home Depot. Astonishingly, he didn't know that one of the Washington area's largest mosques, one attended by many black Muslims, was so close to the shooting. Nor did he know that the same mosque was attended by two of the al-Qaida hijackers who slammed the jumbo jet into the Pentagon.

More, it took police three weeks to reach out to the immigrant community, even though it was clear the snipers were new to the area, having not left a local imprint with neighbors and co-workers, judging from all the bum leads, as FBI veteran I.C. Smith pointed out to me.

It was as if Sept. 11 never happened. It just had to be Timothy McVeigh's long lost cousin. Had to be.

Such tunnel vision is odd. Investigators usually adjust to facts and abandon early hunches that don't pan out.

Not in this case.

Why? Moose's background offers clues.[/b]

(Continued)

[b]Chip on shoulder

Four times as a Portland, Ore., cop, Moose had to be disciplined for losing his temper in dust-ups with average citizens, most of them triggered by what he perceived to be racial slights by whites.

He was ordered to take an anger-management course (ironically, Moose's wife, Sandy, has taught an anger-management course at Montgomery College in Maryland). But he got into more racial confrontations.

Still, he was promoted to chief of the Portland Police Bureau.

Even at that level, he couldn't shake the chip from his shoulder. In another controversy, he had to apologize for making racial slurs against whites. Even the liberal Portland Oregonian lamented his "explosive temper."

Some white Portland cops complain that Moose discriminated against them.

"I tried to be very open-minded and extend myself to him on many occasions while working with him, but he made it very apparent he has some very strong bias against white males, especially ones with blond hair and blue eyes," said a former Portland officer who served under Moose in the 1990s.

Moose has what some say is an annoying habit, as a public official, of putting his race in your face.

His corner office at police headquarters is a shrine to the black movement. Figurines of wild African elephants line a credenza. There's a plaque about black "pride." Pictures of black leaders line the walls. A poster reads: "Hatred thrives when bigotry is tolerated."

Moose came to Maryland vowing to end black criminal profiling as he had in Portland. Before taking the job in 1999, he met with the local NAACP.

When he arrived, he said he had reservations about moving to the area because he claimed the Ku Klux Klan was active there, and that it might be a "difficult" place for an interracial couple to live.

Huh? Montgomery County is one of the most liberal enclaves in the Beltway.

He quickly ended black profiling there – apparently only to replace it with white profiling.

A big fan of race-sensitive "community policing," Moose made Portland cops working the gang beat – during the crack wars, no less – carry blue pocketbooks filled with information about the city's social-service agencies.

Attorney General Janet Reno liked what she saw, and flew out to recognize him.

As her husband started his new job as Portland police chief in 1993, Sandra Herman Moose began law school in Tacoma, Wash., commuting home on weekends.

Her best pal at law school was a North African man, according to a classmate at University of Puget Sound School of Law.

She and Moose found time a couple of years later to teach a course on "multicultural communications" at Portland Community College.

Sandy Moose's ideas on race issues are downright scary.

She told CNN's Connie Chung the other night that she hit the roof when she heard a female newsie call her husband "hostile" after one of his hostile press conferences.

Sandy explained that whole discrimination law is built around that word, which she claims is racially charged and should never be used to describe a black man.

So, apparently we can't say Muhammad and Malvo are "hostile," either. Will she defend them if they sue?

If Moose's blond wife considers "hostile" to be a racial epithet, imagine what Moose considers discriminatory.

This isn't a chip, folks. This is a boulder.

Anti-gun bias

Moose also has it in for gun owners.

"We need to stand up as a community and attack the supply of guns," he told the citizens of Portland in 1995.

When Muhammad and Malvo were arrested, Moose said the task force got the "gun" off the street, not the sniper.

And, in an unsettling plea to the public at one press conference, he said, "You need to ask yourself: Who do you know that owns guns, and why?"

Sure enough, the ATF and other task force agencies went around confiscating guns.

Gun-rights groups in Maryland were flooded with calls from worried law-abiding residents.

"We got very interested when folks started reporting attempts to confiscate rifles for ballistic testing," said Robert D. Culver, co-chairman of Montgomery Citizens for a Safer Maryland.

"I have several reports from men who have had contacts with law-enforcement officers, some of whom rolled over and submitted their firearms," Culver told me.

Carter of Vienna, Va., says task-force detectives also came to his house on the previous Saturday morning asking to see his firearms.

"They not only wanted to see my rifles, they copied the serial numbers down, as well," he said. "And then they told me that the ATF may want to test one of my rifles for ballistics."

Carter, who complied, added: "I now wonder who retains the records of my firearms and for what purpose."

This was pure insanity.

As Moose and his task force futilely chased "gun-crazed" white ghosts instead of the dark-skinned real killers, they deprived residents of Maryland and Virginia of firearms to possibly protect themselves from those killers.

"How much quicker and how many lives would have been spared in the recent sniper case if Moose had not allowed his prejudices to rule?" asked one law-enforcement veteran in the Washington area.

It's painfully obvious that Moose - who is a big fan of Head Start, and is fond of quoting Hillary Clinton's pro-welfare pal Marian Wright Edelman - is no hero. In fact, his personal prejudices may have cost several lives.

Even so, don't be surprised if his star rises. Hillary is no doubt eying Moose right now for FBI director in her administration.

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Didja get all that??? [:D]

Now THAT, was funny..

I survived the Moose era in Portland and by first hand accounts of officers I know in the bureau it was a happy day when he accepted the position to go to Maryland. He has several sustained citizen complaints ranging from excessive force to racial bias and was/is a real nut job. And believe it or not this guy holds a PhD, not that it was earned or deserved but he's got one nonetheless.  Just glad he's finally maybe being exposed for the self serving buffoon that he is.

jj

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Also check out links at bottom of article for more "oops I dropped my dick in the dirt..."

[b]Media Muslim Makeovers![/b]

October 30, 2002

AFTER ALL THE speculation about the sniper terrorizing Maryland and Virginia, at last we have some cold hard facts. He is a Muslim. He converted to Islam 17 years ago. He changed his name to John Muhammad. He belonged to Louis Farrakhan's Nation of Islam. He cheered the terrorist attack of Sept. 11. He registered his getaway vehicle with the DMV on the anniversary of Sept. 11 – writing down the time of registration as 8:52 a.m.

Naturally, therefore, the mainstream media have decided the crucial, salient fact about sniper John Muhammad is that he is a Gulf War veteran. Thus, the New York times described the snipers as: "John Allen Muhammad, 41, a Gulf War veteran, and John Lee Malvo, 17, a Jamaican."

They are now hot on the trail of whether Osama bin Laden ever served with the U.S. military in the Gulf War.


To review recent events, last year, 19 Muslims slaughtered thousands of Americans on U.S. soil. Since then, one Muslim tried to blow up a U.S. commercial jet with a shoe bomb and another Muslim shot up Los Angeles airport. The Religion of Peace has also been active abroad, decapitating an American journalist and blowing up a French tanker. In the last few weeks alone, Muslims bombed a nightclub in Bali and were narrowly prevented from slaughtering hundreds of theater-goers in Moscow.

Inasmuch as the nation is at war with Islamic terrorists, you might think it would be of passing interest that the sniper is a Muslim. But you need a New York Times decoder ring to figure out that GULF WAR VETERAN John Muhammad is a Muslim. The main clue is the Times' repeated insistence that Islam had absolutely nothing to do with the shootings.

Wrestling with the freakish development that a practitioner of the Religion of Peace is a killer, the Times has even rushed to print with the completely unsubstantiated speculation that John Muhammad had recently rejected Islam. Experts explained that a "rapid and bizarre change in religious beliefs" is common among "serial killers." One doctor said a change in religious beliefs before committing violent crimes is "a fairly well-known phenomenon in clinical psychiatry," adding that he "was not diagnosing Mr. Muhammad's condition."

His condition? He's a Muslim. That's his condition and his diagnosis. It may be time to update the DSM-IV by adding "Jihad Impulse-Control Disorder" to its index of official diagnoses.

In addition to copious articles intimating that John Muhammad was practically not even a Muslim, the media have universally concluded that there is "no evidence" connecting him to al-Qaida. Of course, it will be difficult to find any evidence, having instantly pronounced the case closed.

In one hard-hitting investigative piece on Muhammad, for example, the Times produced amazing details from his life, including conversations with relatives, neighbors, friends and ex-girlfriends. The article droned on about how he met one ex-girlfriend – her job, her hobbies, her hopes and dreams. But when she said, "We stopped talking after he asked me about religion," the Times dropped the subject and moved on to the next topic.

After weeks of blithe theorizing that the sniper was an "angry white male" – based on invidious and offensive stereotypes – aren't we entitled to a little theorizing about Muhammad's terrorist ties? There is surely more evidence that he was a member of al-Qaida than that he abandoned Islam before carrying out the sniper attacks.

Emerging as al-Qaida's leading spokesman in America, the Times has also blacked out the information that the terrorists who seized a Moscow theater last week were practitioners of the Religion of Peace.

I note again: America is at war with Islamic fanatics. But in a prolix front-page article about the "hostage siege" in Russia, the Times referred to the Islamic fanatics who stormed the theater exclusively as the "captors," the "separatists" and the "guerrillas." One searches in vain for a clear statement that the Moscow hostage crisis was yet another enterprise of the Religion of Peace.

The only hint that the "captors" were even Muslims was the Times' dismissive description of Russian President Vladimir Putin's reaction to the terrorists' demands. Instead of acquiescing, Putin "cho(se) to cast the rebels as international Islamic terrorists." The Times knows a cheap political ploy when it sees one.

In one of the oddest attempts to soften depictions of Islam – the one religion the media respects – the Times has apparently banned the word "burka" from its pages. (Burkas have gotten such a bad name recently!) Instead, one reads only about the "burka-style gowns" of the Islamic terrorists in Moscow or the "burka-like robes" of women in Bahrain. (How about: The swastika-like adornment on the skinhead's forearm.)

Not to be outdone by the Times, CNN has valiantly insisted on calling John Muhammad by his Christian name. The night the snipers' names were first released, CNN's Jeanne Meserve repeatedly called Muhammad two names he does not answer to: "Here are the names. John Allen Williams, aka Muhammad Williams, and also a John Lee Malvo." Williams isn't his name. It's not even "Muhammad Williams." It is John Allen Muhammad.

After assuring viewers "we will deal with this carefully," Aaron Brown summed up Meserve's report, saying, "We will say again that these two men, John Allen Williams and John Malvo – and I'm not clear on the spelling on Malvo ..." While telling whoppers about Muhammad's name, he's fretting about spelling issues.

The next night Brown slipped and mistakenly called Muhammad by his actual name. He was quickly corrected by Kelli Arena:

BROWN: "And then it was sometime later that they got the second name, Muhammad or Williams, I guess."

ARENA: "Right, Williams."

Perhaps CNN should go whole hog and start describing Muhammad as a member of the "religious right" whose name is "Jerry Falwell."

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This guy is a total idiot, if he was white they would have ran him out of town on a rail.

As a black racist, he sought to make sure this was blamed on a "white militia wacko" or a gun nut of some type.  Those morons recorded the criminals and their car more than a dozen times at road blocks and let them through.  Several people died simply because this guy and democratic politicians ignored the truth in hopes of pinning this crime spree on "white people".

For added effect, his department is currently using all of the tips and illegally gathered information on gun owners for a search and sieze campaign against people with no criminal record.

This guy is a shining example of what happens when power is given to a true racist scumbag.

Ann does it again.  Damn, she's good. [:D]

God bless Ann Coulter.

And to think, me, a 24 year old white male w/ a white car, had to be in DC around the time of the shootings, and drive through the Moose's territory.  I chose to fly!  All I needed to do was get stopped by one of Mooses clan in my white car w/ my gun and I could have been a suspect.  

Moose should be prosecuted for accessory to murder, multiple counts!

Jackass.

If there's someone I dislike worse than the Moose clown, it's got to be those stupid gun owners who WILLINGLY [b]surrendered[/b] their guns to the ATF. Stuff like that really leads me to believe that we are already doomed.

Aren't the two faggots terrorists?
I mean, they're islamic, the extremists, they're crazy...

And I'd be gald to "axe" moose a question.
(right it on an axe head and smash it into his skull...)

I think moose should be charged with something...Manslaughter maybe?