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Posted: 3/19/2006 5:11:25 PM EDT
[#1]
I say neither. But if those are the only two choices, I would go with the shotgun.
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Posted: 3/19/2006 5:12:18 PM EDT
[#2]
What would you go with? |
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Posted: 3/19/2006 5:13:50 PM EDT
[#3]
12 ga with slugs. (But not that Serbu) No question. Or .45-70 loaded hot, .375 H&H, .416 and up.
A 7.62 would just piss it off.  ETA: You live in Alaska; you ought to know better. ETA2: Clearly some of these posters have no damned clue. 
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Posted: 3/19/2006 5:13:57 PM EDT
[#4]
My S&W 500
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Posted: 3/19/2006 5:14:08 PM EDT
[#5]
I would just go with one of these loaded with 3" magnum shells of 1 oz slugs
 Atleast I can hit my target with this shotgun. I don't think I could hit anything with your choices... while under the stress of charging bear. |
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Posted: 3/19/2006 5:14:26 PM EDT
[#6]
7.62 Krink with a reliable drum it trained hands would be hard to overcome for any animal.
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Posted: 3/19/2006 5:14:34 PM EDT
[#7]
Either my .500 S&W, .460 XVR, or my Marlin .45-70. |
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Posted: 3/19/2006 5:14:52 PM EDT
[#8]
I'd rather have 30 shots that hit the target hard at 50 yards than 3 shots that hit the target harder at 10 yards. I wouldn't want to rely on a short-range weapon against an angry bear. Seems healthier to get them farther away.
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Posted: 3/19/2006 5:16:47 PM EDT
[#9]
HAHA Hilarious..... Jesus... You can hit a bear 30 times while its charging you? THERE IS NO REPLACEMENT FOR DISPLACEMENT. A handgun in some of the above posted calibers would be a second choice after a long arm of the choices I posted. Starting with a properly equipped 12 ga. A shotgun with rifle sights can easily shoot modern slugs accurately at 50+ yards. You need to go ask this question at a hunting forum such as www.accuratereloading.com, NOT on this chairborne commando forum. Listening to some of these guys could get you killed. 
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Posted: 3/19/2006 5:22:00 PM EDT
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Your choices, a .45-70 or a magnum rifle, are indeed dead-on best choices. I know. But I usually operate around southcentral AK, not Kodiak or places where if you go into the wild you're highly likely to cross a bear. Encountering a bear for me is unlikely. It's happened, but it was a little cub and we ran from each other. I'm not real scared of bears. So, given that, I want a defense weapon that's real light and has other uses, like home defense or personal defense in my car. I figure the shorty AK and shorty shotgun are the best for both roles, and that's why I asked. |
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Posted: 3/19/2006 5:22:06 PM EDT
[#11]
a 10/22 and a .38.
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Posted: 3/19/2006 5:24:38 PM EDT
[#12]
Ok I misunderstood your situation Well in that case, SBR a 870 but keep the stock on it. Say to 12 - 14" barrel. Surefire light... That would be my choice. OR buy a Marlin Guide Gun and have Yost Bonitz or Wild West Guns (in Anchorage) fix it up. A Custom guide gun can make a hell fo a self defense rifle.  My Marlin is going to Yobo in a few weeks for the full make over. I WOULD NEVER try a 7.62 x 39 on a pissed off bear. You'd be better of packing a .44 handgun. Besides, a Krink with a 30 rnd mag is no lightweight in my book. |
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Posted: 3/19/2006 5:24:55 PM EDT
[#13]
Serbu
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Posted: 3/19/2006 5:25:03 PM EDT
[#14]
Having met bears under less-than-social circumstances (just adult black bears--not what you have in AK) with only a .357 revolver handy, I would have to say that when I see the next one I'd prefer the krink.
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Posted: 3/19/2006 5:25:23 PM EDT
[#15]
I heard bear mace is the best thing against a bear.
a 500 S&W if ya gonna be buying a gun. you can make 200 + yard kills with one against deer, might be hard for follow up shots though, and rapid firing can make the palms of the hands hurt a bit, also I wouldnt wanna hold onto it with sweaty hands. I myself would want a 18.5 barreled 12GA with the 2 shot extension. 3 and 1/2 inch buckshot out a .12GA can drop deer at 75-100 yards with one shot. Of course thats from a longer barrel though. I think the 3 and a half shells would be my # 1 choice to defence against a bear. Or a Garand fires 30-06 ammo right? If so and it fires good ammo that my be my choice since I'd like to own a Garand anyways and I hunt with a 30-06 weapon sometimes. |
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Posted: 3/19/2006 5:26:38 PM EDT
[#16]
Poll time
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Posted: 3/19/2006 5:27:28 PM EDT
[#17]
I would stab the bear with my psychic mind spear
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Posted: 3/19/2006 5:27:41 PM EDT
[#18]
I wouldn't bet my life on 3 shots. Maybe that's just me, but if I can have more, I'll take it. I guess the best choice is obviously to get both and take both of them with you. But if it's one or the other I'll take more bullets. Personally I believe that if I were attacked by a bear I'd probably either start shooting too early and waste my three shots before they do enough damage or underestimate the speed of the bear and start shooting too late and get mauled before I can stop it. If I can have 30 shots to take and fire repeatedly until I stop it, I'll take that option. But then again I've never been attacked by a bear. |
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Posted: 3/19/2006 5:27:41 PM EDT
[#19]
 -or- if ya gotta have nfa 
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Posted: 3/19/2006 5:27:42 PM EDT
[#20]
IBTP |
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Posted: 3/19/2006 5:28:29 PM EDT
[#21]
I'm skeptical of anything that only gives you three shots. Also, I doubt that the video shown on the shotty website has the guy shooting 3" slugs. I bet recoil is murder. Given your choices, I'd go with the Krink.
Given my own choice, I'd take a pistol grip 18" Mossberg. 2x the size with 3x the firepower. |
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Posted: 3/19/2006 5:29:00 PM EDT
[#22]
And there in lies the key. How much bear and/or hunting experience DO you have? Dangerous game hunters in Africa bet their lives every day on 2 shot rifles... |
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Posted: 3/19/2006 5:29:40 PM EDT
[#23]
I vote neither.
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Posted: 3/19/2006 5:30:30 PM EDT
[#24]
Yeah, anybody here ever see a bear run? In rough mountainouse terrain they can cover ground 10X times faster then a human, I've seen it.
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Posted: 3/19/2006 5:32:04 PM EDT
[#25]
I have to admit that this is a new spin on this old topic.
I know nothing about the velocity of slugs out of a super shorty or 7.62x39 out of Krink. Please be sure to take video for us... |
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Posted: 3/19/2006 5:32:21 PM EDT
[#26]
+1 and I've seen them shrug off .300 Weatherby 180 gr Barnes X..... A fricking 7.62x39 will just sting and piss them off more. It probably wouldn't penetrate to the vitals. A 12 ga slug has momentum going for it... ETA: <Shrug> I give up.... 
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Posted: 3/19/2006 5:34:52 PM EDT
[#27]
Between the 2, gimme the krink. 7.62 is roughly .30-30-ish, a bit less out of the short barrel, but since capacity in the Serbu is only 3, um, gimme the 30 rounds.
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Posted: 3/19/2006 5:35:28 PM EDT
[#28]
The real topic is "Which AOW should I buy?" 
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Posted: 3/19/2006 5:38:28 PM EDT
[#29]
You have? Wow. I dont think a FMJ 7.62 would have much trouble penetrating a bear's body. The head, though, whole 'nother kettle of fish. From the front, it's thick and slanted like a tank, bullets tend to glance off it. |
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Posted: 3/19/2006 5:38:46 PM EDT
[#30]
An ACTUAL Krinkov wouldn't be a bad idea if it was just for defense rather than hunting.
Sure, 7.62 may be a poor choice against bear, but I bet 30 rounds (ETA within the space of a few seconds) will drop it anyway. |
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Posted: 3/19/2006 5:40:37 PM EDT
[#31]
Defense, not hunting.
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Posted: 3/19/2006 5:40:56 PM EDT
[#32]
A pissed off bear is a pissed off bear. They have adrenaline pumping and just punching icepick holes in them won't do a damned thing if they're gunning for YOU. Who cares if they die after they've gotten to you? What you want to do is stop them, and all that Krink would do is make you more of a target in their eyes as survival instincts take over for them and they see red. I saw one take a .300 Wthby round, perfect... and it still made it 300 yards faster than you or I can... and he wasn't even big nor pissed. If you want either of your two choices just because then fine, but don't think you just made the best choice in protecting yourself from bears. If you think you can hit a bear 30 times while it's charging than you're a better shot than I am AND you want to rely on a "it might stop it" then ok. BUT slow, controlled, measured fire is the key to any dangerous game situation. That's it, I'm out. |
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Posted: 3/19/2006 5:46:40 PM EDT
[#33]
460 Rowland from Dan Wesson - 230gr bullet at 1350fps
 or a standard fare 44mag will do the trick. |
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Posted: 3/19/2006 5:48:41 PM EDT
[#34]
Gotta go with the Krink- 30 rifle rounds sounds better to me than 3 shotgun rounds. I have no doubts the 7.62 will take a bear down- I've seen a couple of videos of elephants being shot with AKs. Yeah, they emptied the magazine into him but it still worked (one was of ivory poachers and the others was game wardens culling a bull male). Pretty sad to see either way.
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Posted: 3/19/2006 5:49:04 PM EDT
[#35]
+1 for the Marliln Guide Gun in .45-70 or .450 Marlin.
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Posted: 3/19/2006 6:43:33 PM EDT
[#36]
+1 I personally would say best bet is either a second long arm thats high powered or just use your primary. But primary will prolly have a scope and that isnt good for a charging animal when your shitting yourself. Anybody see that video of like 4 or 5 guys shooting a charging lion with high powered hunting rifles at close range? The lion still managed to attack one guy with multiple people shooting him. All good hits with weapons/ammo for lion hunting. |
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Posted: 3/19/2006 6:52:45 PM EDT
[#37]
Where did this come about, I find that the whole 762x39 is around the same as the 30-30 arguement only on this board. I am not sure who got the idea started but I will say, there are not the same performance wise. |
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Posted: 3/19/2006 7:01:12 PM EDT
[#38]
Bullet weight and muzzle velocity between a 30-30 and 7.62x39 is virtually identical. ANY differences in performance will be the result of a different BC or projectile construction. The ballistic gelatin test I’ve seen show 30-30 actually outperforming 7.62x39 in most instances. I assure you that I’m far from the first person to make the comparison… The first time I remember hearing it was around 1983 in an article by Peter Kokalis. |
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Posted: 3/19/2006 7:04:34 PM EDT
[#39]
EXACTLY What I am getting at....also FMJ versus semi jacket soft point or hornadys new lever rev rounds, should make the case why the 30-30 should out perform termanially. (my spelling is bad, sorry...) |
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Posted: 3/19/2006 7:11:22 PM EDT
[#40]
HK51B
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Posted: 3/19/2006 7:15:02 PM EDT
[#41]
Yep, a hot loaded 30-30 is a WAY better hunting gun than a SKS or an AK. Around here you mostly see people trying to make a case for the 7.62x39 though. (struggling not to bash AKs at this point) |
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Posted: 3/19/2006 7:24:25 PM EDT
[#42]
Denfensive only?
Charging bear or at close range? Only choices these two weapons? Shorty shotgun Go to www.theboxotruth.com/ and look up the differance of what a 7.62 size bullet will do and what a 12 guage slug will do. More than likly only have enough time to get three shots of anyway might as well get the most bang for the buck. My choice.....large caliber revolver. reliable, powerful, reliable, did I mention reliable? |
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Posted: 3/19/2006 7:29:26 PM EDT
[#43]
 Your are right, that is all he would need for the "little cub" he has encountered |
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Posted: 3/19/2006 7:30:48 PM EDT
[#44]
Since you you dont accept IMs, I have to ask here:
You're Navajo? What are you doing in MD. Curious. I'm Athabaskan |
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Posted: 3/19/2006 8:01:05 PM EDT
[#45]
Yá'át'ééh shiyáázh, Navajo Gun Owner yinishyé. Came to do some work I DC about 7 years ago, getting ready to leave, move back out west, somewhere I can relax, shoot off the porch and raise my kids.  ETA: try the IM now, never tthought to sent that up....
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Posted: 3/19/2006 8:07:29 PM EDT
[#46]
Something like this? 
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Posted: 3/19/2006 8:11:30 PM EDT
[#47]
That would be the ticket puncher for sure. No doubt about it!!!! ETA: IBNT (post whore) been kind of a nice thread with out him 
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Posted: 3/19/2006 8:14:52 PM EDT
[#48]
Ahhh, the ever-present bear thread. In all reality, neither is such a great choice. While the slugs pack a mean punch, they won't offer the penetration that you really want. On the other hand the 7.62 may penetrate better, but will not have the power of the slug. .45-70 would be your friend.
Due to it being semi-auto, if I had to choose, I would go 7.62. A semi shotgun, full stock, no pistol grip, with 3" slugs would be my choice for shotgun. |
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Posted: 3/19/2006 8:22:33 PM EDT
[#49]
 it is not just here, from Wikipedia.
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Posted: 3/19/2006 8:31:08 PM EDT
[#50]
Oh you mean that 556 is pansy compaired to a 458 SOCOM right ?! 
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