I'd should probably post this in the Hall of Heros forum, but this is more traveled, so...

I know on the outset the answer is REALLY obvious.

Simply put, I work with a liar in my NAVY unit. Really the worst kind of human there is because of what he lies about. And to top it off, I'm the only one that's taken steps, albeit a clandestine one, to do anything about it.

This guy claims he went to Navy UDT training, after he was pulled EARLY from Navy boot camp in 1979. He said they pulled him early because he could swim "really well" and sent him to UDT training. I know it's shit because they don't pull recruits early from boot camp ever.

This guy says he went through UDT and his first mission was off the USS Eisenhower, Operation Eagle Claw, the failed, aborted rescue attempt of the Amercan hostages in Iran. He called it "Operation Desert One" which was actually the name in the inland landing site used as a staging area. That mission was on 24APRIL80, not even close to the time one would need to go through the UDT/SEAL pipeline(schools) and certainly nowhere near enough time for him to finish ALL that training, breassigned to a team, and become a trident pinned shooter capable of DA ops. Not only that but the only carrier reference I could find was to the USS Coral Sea and the USS Nimitz which USMC RH-53s came off of to Desert One. He says he was one of the "nine survivors." Eight were killed, five USAF and three USMC. He then goes on to say he got out in 1981 (he is 40)and went to work in NYC as a medic. He says they called him at home in 84 for Grenada but he "just couldn't go back" after what happened. His story is fraught with holes, inaccuracies and errors.

He spewed this pile of shit in front of me and a corpsman from 4th Force Recon, a guy who did/was in the SPECWAR community for real while on active duty. I just sat silently listening, and quietly taking notes cuz it was so in depth.

He also has a Trident(the SEAL wafare device tattooed on his right pec. I guess he forgot, but when I first got to my unit in 98 he told me he got the tattoo for a different reason entirely. He told me his brother was a SEAL and that he went out to Coranado and "partied" with them, they (the SEALs) said he was cool and gave him permission to get the "budweiser" tattoo and his right pec, not his left pec "like a real SEAL would get it."

That's really the big one, there also a lot of lies he tells to his co-workers about what he does while on his two week annual training period we reservists do once a year. It's a lot more bullshit, but he does things like show up to work in a flight suit with his navy ID on a chain, tells people he just got "back from an op" but he can't talk about it.

So, what did I do?

I went to cyberseals.org and reported a phony SEAL. And sure as shit four SEALs got back to me within a week that this guy, and no one with a name even close to in spelling or pronunciation ever went through BUD/S or UDTR since the mid 40's. Furthermore his age at the time precluded him from being in on the operstion due to the lenghty schools stuff I mentioned above. Now I have the e-mails printed out in my locker and I know what I should do. But...

There are a few problems. Firstly, I've heard the shit he spews, my friends have heard it. Many of the senior and staff NCOs have heard it or at least know about it. Yet no one wants to take any action. Moreover, none of it's in writing, or on tape, he hasn't made any claims to the local papers so the Fake seal hunters thta e-mailed me really can't do much about it either.

Secondly, my friend who is also corpsman activated for the year along with me works for this guy back in the real world, and outing this fake f#*k may cause problems for him at his job(NYC paramedic).

Third, this guy is a training petty officer in our battalion aid station and is actually pretty integral to the unit with regards to training. He's an ass, but a well educated one that serves a useful function in our unit. And we are REALLY short of functional useful corpsman.

I REALLY know what is right. This is totally f*%@ked up that this is happening. He steals the valor of those that trained, fought, and died for this country and their brothers in their units. It's so wrong, it turns my stomach to see this ass every day at work but I'm still torn. I feel that if I do this some in my unit will think I'm making too big a deal of something. It's a small unit and I don't know how disruptive it would be to follow through with this outing. I was thinking of blacking out the headers on the e-mails, photo copying them and spirinkling them all over the work place, in desks, in the bathrooms, under the doors of locked offices he can't get into. But I'm just not sure what's best for the unit as a whole.

Your 0.02?

Thanx

Sherm

Can you confront him, man to man, alone, with what you know?
Another alternative is to egg him on, get him to brag on paper, then nail him.

I'm not really a confronty(it's a word, I swear) kind of guy. And part of me wants to see him get screwed. I think he deserves it.

WooHoo!

One for burning!

Yeah, a bar would make it easy.


Hmmm, friday night is looking better already.

You boys know what's coming next.
You are just dreading it.  That's right...
This one time, at band camp...
[:D]

Sherm, Sherm, Sherm, give your Filipino NYPD Cop friend a call...I have some [b]VERY[/b] high ranking (or at least ridiculously important) Navy family members that will get in touch with some real team members and lay the smackdown.[}:D]

That's funny........similar happened to me recently at work.

We got a guy that transferred within the company where I work, he came from another state where we operate. He's been here now with us for about 2 weeks. The other day he comes in wearing an O.D. green military winter wool scarf. Here was the conversation:

Me: "That's a nice scarf, what branch of the military were you in?"

Him: "Army."

Me: "Oh yea, me too! What MOS?"

Him: " I'd rather not say."

Me: " Why not? I was a 67V, Helicopter Crew Chief."

Him: " Well because of current world affairs I'd rather not say."

Does this sound like a wanna be or what? Guy is maybe 25 or 26 years old. I'd like to find his DD214 to see what he really did, if he was even really in the military.

I could be wrong, but if he was in a situation where he couldn't tell, he could have at least said he was Infantry or maybe Ranger, and not this "I'm not at liberty to say." BS!

I'll find out..............

My roomate was doing med support for a Forward Air Controller class and there was a SEAL there with a Force Recon guy. He told them about this ass and the SEAL really didn't care that much. The recon guy wanted to go kick the liar's ass.

Thanks for all the info. I'm headed back to Lejeune tonight and I think I'll put some of the ideas to use this week.


If anyone has any others, keep 'em coming.

Semper Gumby

Sherm

.....one time in SEAL camp.....

Definately turn his rear end in. Nothing is worse than a PX commando.

Personally never met any of you Navy pukes that didn't claim to go to UDT or Seal School. LOL

My God, if I got upset everytime some Navy or Airforce guy tried to relate to a mud pounder through some kind of training, I'd have a heart attack from stress.  Truth is every mud pounder I have ever met wished he had some cushy REMF job in stead of mud pounding and getting shot at.

If you can't laugh at him just ask him a few detail questions he can't answer and even if he did do what he said he did, he won't bother you anymore since he knows you don't believe him.  You want to get mad at someone, pick on the assholes that didn't serve!

By the way, records after discharge will simply state MOS, Rank, Medals, and where and when.  It won't tell what you did and if you really did some nasty stuff it won't be found ever!!!!!!!!!

LOL, Whatever happens, no one is kicking my ass...unless they're bigger and stronger.


Sherm

Or I was thinking a dose of theraputic atomic  wedgies.

Sure ya get pi$$ed off, but it isn't worth getting worked up over either.
Either smile when he starts his routine or get up and go elsewhere.
And don't ask him if he can balance a ball on his nose (like a real deal seal) because he may have been in the mafia before becoming a seal. [;)]

The actual effect of his lies on me are zero. It doesn't impact how I do my job, or keep me awake at night. Ohterwise, it's still upsetting. Especially when he tells therse lies to others outside our ubit. He told a force recon doc he was a SEAL. This suy will go back to his unit and giggle at ours. He "impresses the people he works with, with his phony stories and "it's classified, I can't tell you what I did this weekend."

It just pisses me off.