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9/22/2017 12:11:25 AM
Posted: 6/7/2002 7:39:00 PM EDT
Seen this flick for the tenth time and still can't tell what kind of hangun De Nero used. Has an HK type trigger guard but looks like it has a beaver tail. Got all the long guns figured out. I wish they'd put this type of useful info in the credits!
Link Posted: 6/7/2002 7:42:13 PM EDT
Link Posted: 6/7/2002 7:45:11 PM EDT
Another of DeNiro's handgun is the SIG-Sauer
Link Posted: 6/7/2002 7:46:30 PM EDT
He had a USP in the drive-in scene, but he shot Trejo with (I think) a Sig.
Link Posted: 6/7/2002 7:46:41 PM EDT
thanks, I thought it was an HK, I cant tell if he switched handguns or not, in the end he's using a .45 for sure. I think it's the HK
Link Posted: 6/7/2002 7:47:48 PM EDT
What about when he shot wayngrow?
Link Posted: 6/7/2002 7:50:16 PM EDT
A SIG.
Link Posted: 6/7/2002 7:53:47 PM EDT
Originally Posted By AR18: A SIG.
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too wierd, at the airport he's got the HK I'm almost sure. How many guns can this guy fit down his pants?
Link Posted: 6/7/2002 7:56:11 PM EDT
Originally Posted By az_larry:
Originally Posted By AR18: A SIG.
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too wierd, at the airport he's got the HK I'm almost sure. How many guns can this guy fit down his pants?
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Just one, unless he is mutated in some way.... Scott (INSERT FULL METAL JACKET SCENE) "This is my rifle, this is my gun. This is for fighting, this is for fun."
Link Posted: 6/7/2002 7:57:05 PM EDT
Maybe we need a GLIMDb... (Gun-Lovers' Internet Movie Database...) Scott
Link Posted: 6/7/2002 7:58:59 PM EDT
Originally Posted By DScottHewitt: Maybe we need a GLIMDb... (Gun-Lovers' Internet Movie Database...) Scott
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Absolutely!!! Great Idea!
Link Posted: 6/7/2002 8:41:30 PM EDT
I thought he only had the Sig. You pricks! I'm going to have to watch the movie... AGAIN. [:)]
Link Posted: 6/7/2002 8:46:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/12/2002 8:46:10 AM EDT by EricE]
[s]He ONLY had a SIG P226.[/s] [stick] Eric/Tyler
Link Posted: 6/7/2002 9:00:54 PM EDT
Originally Posted By EricE: He ONLY had a SIG P226. Eric/Tyler
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Put the DVD on and watch scene 15, "Shootout at the drive in." As DeNiro drives the station wagon over the humps at the drive in toward the injured shooter, he holds up his pistol and fires through the windshield. The view is from the backseat, behind the driver. If you freezeframe it, you can clearly see that it's a USP.
Link Posted: 6/7/2002 9:53:00 PM EDT
He uses a HK USP in the First half of the movie then switches to a Sig 220. There was a write up several years ago in Guns magazine about movie guns. Had pictures of the Guns in Heat, Lethal Weapon, Die Hard, etc.....
Link Posted: 6/7/2002 10:28:02 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/7/2002 10:35:37 PM EDT by Troy]
Link Posted: 6/7/2002 10:34:53 PM EDT
Troy-- You sure it was the 16" para FNC in the bank robbery shootout? I thought the barrel looked a little too short for a 16" gun. AFARR
Link Posted: 6/7/2002 10:36:28 PM EDT
Link Posted: 6/7/2002 10:43:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/7/2002 10:46:53 PM EDT by Jarhead_22]
Originally Posted By Troy: Nope, it's the same .45ACP SIG Sauer.
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I don't know where you got that list, but it's incorrect. Please review the DVD and tell me what he shoots through the windshield in scene 15. I've owned a Sig P220 and a P226, and that isn't either one. Edited to add: Are we ate up, or what? [%|]
Link Posted: 6/7/2002 10:52:50 PM EDT
... Just before 94' I sold a beautiful FN-FNC after shooting the shit out of her (was still beautiful). ... Sold her to a friend for a song because of its relative obscurity and value at the time I didn't know (WTF?). ... Shortly afterwards HEAT comes to the theaters and for once I really regretted selling. ... Moral: Don't sell
Link Posted: 6/7/2002 11:01:34 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Jarhead_22:
Originally Posted By Troy: Nope, it's the same .45ACP SIG Sauer.
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I don't know where you got that list, but it's incorrect. Please review the DVD and tell me what he shoots through the windshield in scene 15. I've owned a Sig P220 and a P226, and that isn't either one. Edited to add: Are we ate up, or what? [%|]
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Jarhead_22, you are correct. In the drive-in scene (15) of the DVD, that is most definitely a H&K, and not a Sig. Remember the Alamo, and God Bless Texas...
Link Posted: 6/7/2002 11:08:55 PM EDT
Link Posted: 6/7/2002 11:11:33 PM EDT
Link Posted: 6/7/2002 11:13:08 PM EDT
... Oh this is good! ... We need the REAL answer now. A nice prize for the first post that conclusively proves either/any way.
Link Posted: 6/7/2002 11:19:00 PM EDT
Link Posted: 6/7/2002 11:23:48 PM EDT
Troy, I never got a chance to see the gun, but it was apparently for sale in the Atlanta area a while back--full auto, but according to the person I was talking with, the full auto wasn't working at the time (not sure if it was a sear conversion, or a RR gun), so they did single shot. I do recall there was a "police only" import--short barrel, it is possible that is the gun, or, if I recall correctly, it had a different flash hider attached to the rifle, which may have made it look shorter. AFARR PS--I'm not an expert on the FNC, just someone who appreciates one--if you REALLY want to talk to an expert, go to [url]www.sturmgewehr.com[/url] and see what Buddy Hinton has to say!!
Link Posted: 6/7/2002 11:32:36 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Troy: At 51:19, if you go frame by frame, you can get a clear shot of the nose of the gun, where it's clear it's the SIG. I can see from other scenes how it would be easy to mistake the SIG for a USP, especially given how out-of-focus the gun is due to the motion. But there are a couple of individual frames that tell the tale. -Troy
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I don't know about your DVD, but on mine at 51:19 I've got the sneak attack shooter shooting at the station wagon out in the middle of the drive-in and a cut to Kilmer with the rifle spinning around right before he tags the shooter at 51:20-21. Remember the Alamo, and God Bless Texas...
Link Posted: 6/7/2002 11:43:55 PM EDT
Also, looking at it in slow motion, I finally noticed the lanyard attached to the pistol. Remember the Alamo, and God Bless Texas...
Link Posted: 6/7/2002 11:51:43 PM EDT
While Y'all are at it, could someone get a still of the scene with the FNC--I know someone posted it before, but haven't seen it for a while. AFARR
Link Posted: 6/7/2002 11:55:53 PM EDT
Link Posted: 6/8/2002 12:05:34 AM EDT
Definitely-- Birdcage flash hider, extra short (maybe 12") barrel, heavy watch and ring to help control recoil (apologies to the AR15.com'r who first thought of that one). AFARR
Link Posted: 6/8/2002 12:09:38 AM EDT
... another view of the formidable FNC. [img]http://www.boomspeed.com/winston_wolf/FN-FNC.jpg[/img]
Link Posted: 6/8/2002 12:24:44 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/8/2002 12:27:40 AM EDT by Terrato]
Here's the best captures I could get - judge for yourselves. [img]http://home.attbi.com/~pterrenzio/heatpistol1.jpg[/img] [img]http://home.attbi.com/~pterrenzio/heatpistol2.jpg[/img] [img]http://home.attbi.com/~pterrenzio/heatpistol3.jpg[/img]
Link Posted: 6/8/2002 12:41:47 AM EDT
... such a KEWL movie YES
Link Posted: 6/8/2002 1:02:54 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/8/2002 1:11:10 AM EDT by Jarhead_22]
Troy, I went back and looked and at 51:19 in the movie, I'm looking at the back of the assassin in the foreground, with DeNiro's station wagon closing in on him from the background. The screenshots that Terrato posted above are the best views I can get out of the entire scene, and I can't make out the nose of the weapon through the reflections on the windshield. BTW, I'm looking at this on a sizeable HDTV monitor, so resolution isn't an issue. Look at this: [img]www.streetpro.com/usp/images/hkchoice.jpg[/img] for the hexagonal profile of the top of the weapon and the shape of the sites and this: [img]www.stgsupply.com/images/usp.jpg[/img] for the look of the left side of the weapon and compare them to Terrato's screenshots. Here: [img]members.aol.com/rllyvncnt/sigp220.jpg[/img] you can see that the profile of the upper part of the weapon is slab-sided, with just a slight rounding right at the top, but no hex profile as shown on the USP in the pics I posted or the screenshots Terrato posted.
Link Posted: 6/8/2002 1:08:27 AM EDT
Ok, here are some things that make me think it's a USP: The top of the slide of the gun in the movie is angular . SIG 22x's are boxy and square. case in point: SIG:[img]http://remtek.com/arms/sig/model/226/226a.gif[/IMG] H&K USP40: [IMG]http://www.hkpro.com/usp40compa1.jpg[/IMG] H&K USP45: [IMG]http://www.hkpro.com/USP45white.jpg[/IMG] That looks a lot like an accessory rail below the barrel. SIG's don't have those last time I checked. Either way, whatever it is is flat, straight, and runs to the end of the barrel. SIG's curve up from the trigger guard to the front of the frame, and the frame does not extend all the way to the barrel. [IMG]http://home.attbi.com/~pterrenzio/heatpistol2.jpg[/IMG] Just something to think about. Whatever that is, it isn't a SIG 22x. Remember the Alamo, and God Bless Texas...
Link Posted: 6/8/2002 1:19:50 AM EDT
Ok, I took the screen caps and loaded them into photoshop to adjust the levels. Those aren't SIG's. I'll be happy to post the pics if necessary. Remember the Alamo, and God Bless Texas...
Link Posted: 6/8/2002 6:05:27 AM EDT
so pacino had the same handgun for the whole movie?
Link Posted: 6/8/2002 7:48:39 AM EDT
There were good stills from the movie at at HKPRO, i found the thread but the pictures were not online anymore. But the pistol De Niro used was clearly an USP.
Link Posted: 6/8/2002 8:44:29 AM EDT
Originally Posted By FL_BOY: so pacino had the same handgun for the whole movie?
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Yes, a 1911 with ivory(ish) grips and no front cocking serrations. It looks like a Combat Commander.
Link Posted: 6/8/2002 8:52:51 AM EDT
I watched it again too, on my 65 digital monitor, he does use the H&K for the first half and then the Sig 226 for the last half. Either way, they're both super fine sidearms.
Link Posted: 6/8/2002 9:35:02 AM EDT
Link Posted: 6/8/2002 10:00:23 AM EDT
If one of you guys who can capture screen shots can freeze the scene at the end when De Nero is checking to see if he has a round in the elevator, that may tell what he's using in the second half. Another fun movie to do would be Swordfish. I'd like to know what Ginger(Hale Barry) had stuffed in her stocking. I think it's a SS USP. And I think Travolta used a Desert Eagle to kill the senator. His British assassin used a supressed Sig I think. We definately need a Movie gun database!
Link Posted: 6/8/2002 10:54:17 AM EDT
Link Posted: 6/8/2002 10:59:50 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Jarhead_22:
Originally Posted By FL_BOY: so pacino had the same handgun for the whole movie?
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Yes, a 1911 with ivory(ish) grips and no front cocking serrations. It looks like a Combat Commander.
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Pacino's pistol was an Officer's Model type of pistol. No way to tell for sure who made it.
Link Posted: 6/8/2002 11:00:11 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/8/2002 11:04:20 AM EDT by mojo]
Link Posted: 6/9/2002 12:47:13 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/9/2002 12:54:09 AM EDT by Colt-653]
Pacino's FNC is an FNC Model 80 either a #7000(1/7) or #6000(1/12) the barrel is 14.29" but on the movie gun the FN Flashider has been replaced with an AR hider(easier to blank.) The handgun he carries through the entire movie is a Colt Combat Commander. De Niro carries a USP through the 1st part of the movie then switches to a Sig 220. Look at the bore on the SIG (It's too large for a 9mm Sig. Also the Weapons were profiled in American Handgunner and Guns magazine back in the late 90's in an article about Stembridge Arms. The gun is identified as a Sig 220. The M16 Commandos used in the Bank Robbery scene are Colt Model 733's and they have 11.5" barrels not 10". They were built up for the movie using new Colt parts on RR lowers. The guns are safe-semi-auto. As far as the weapons carried by the Police officers few of them are allowed carry. Unless you're LAPD SWAT(1911) the issue handguns are the S&W 5906 or the Beretta 92FS. You can purchase and carry the S&W 45 series as well as the Beretta Cougers in .45. Also LAPD does not issue the Mossberg 590, they issue the Ithaca Model 37 and the Rem 870. The Tech advisor for the Flim was "Andy McNab" a former SAS member and author of Bravo-Two-Zero
Link Posted: 6/9/2002 1:37:45 AM EDT
I think Colt-653 pretty much solved it for me. Any questions? [:D] Remember the Alamo, and God Bless Texas...
Link Posted: 6/12/2002 7:12:29 AM EDT
Pacino's pistol was an Officer's Model type of pistol.
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Not correct. It's a commander sized gun. Government: full size frame with 5" barrel. Commander: full size frame with 4.25" barrel. Officers: shortened frame with 3.5" barrel. [url]http://www.m1911.org/mod_colt.htm[/url] Also, regarding Deniro's handgun in the first part of the movie, check out the scene where he's coming home to his oceanside apartment and lays the pistol on the glass table. He lays it down so the camera looks over the rear and left side of the gun. I originally thought that the grip profile resembled a SIG, but you can clearly see an HK style safety lever (i.e., in 1911 position). My vote is for USP in beginning of film. Definitely SIG later on, however, I thought it looked more like a P226.
Link Posted: 6/12/2002 8:43:20 AM EDT
I stand corrected... he did use a HK USP in the beginning, and later switched to the SIG. Just watched it again... pause-pause-pause. [:D] Eric
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