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Posted: 6/9/2009 4:38:00 AM EST

I personally have owned both Ford and GM products and have yet to determine a reason to dislike one more than the other, but some of you are just so darned passionate about pee on this or pee on that. What gives?
Link Posted: 6/9/2009 4:41:52 AM EST
Anything built by Obama backing Union commies.

GM
Mopar
Ford
In that order.
Link Posted: 6/9/2009 4:42:17 AM EST
I hate Toyota.

I love cars in general. I think even FWD can be fun to drive once in a while.

But I think Toyota makes consumer appliances, like washing machines –– not CARS.

They don't even look nice. Since I'm talking about a foreign OEM, let's compare them to Honda. First, Honda has wicked styling lately - check out the Accord Coupe. Thing looks mean, and I bet it hauls with the V6. They also make the S2000, not even to mention the nice Acura offerings.

Toyota made the Supra. That was cool. But Toyota sucks.
Link Posted: 6/9/2009 4:59:01 AM EST

Originally Posted By MTUSA:
Anything built by Obama backing Union commies.

GM
Mopar
Ford
In that order.
+1

I love Toyota, Honda, Nissan, well all the Jap companies, and a lot of the European ones: BMW. VW is ok. Never impressed by Ferrari, Porsche, etc

Link Posted: 6/9/2009 5:10:24 AM EST
Ford, KIA, Hyundai. I don't like them because they make crap. That is all.
Link Posted: 6/9/2009 5:20:51 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/9/2009 5:25:06 AM EST by HardShell]
Link Posted: 6/9/2009 5:38:25 AM EST
GM. Owned three new Chevys in my life. GM was forced to buy one back by the state attorney general in SD after the paint fell off the first year. GM had a problem for over 10 years on a certain model car with the paint falling off. Had a Chevy truck that broke down so many times that I finally sold it off at a loss with less than 50,000 miles on it. I will never buy another GM product, period.
Link Posted: 6/9/2009 5:42:11 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/9/2009 5:43:29 AM EST by markm]
I worked a dealerships for years as a young chap. I drove thousands of different cars over a period of 5 plus years, so I have a pretty comprehensive sample and experience to draw from, and have got to see what cars hold value and are least likely to be traded in or become problematic.

I hate the American Car companies for continuing to allow the parasite unions to destroy the industry while continuing to produce a remarkably substandard product.

I'm a Toyota Die hard. I'd own a Honda too. The two american shit boxes that I do own are worthless. (ford and Jeep) But neither are as bad as GM's AC delco piss poor electronics. AC delco is like the olympic arms of the auto industry. The name is common, but the product is trash.

America just needs to get out of the car biz. They've proven that they CAN NOT do it right for the last 40 years.
Link Posted: 6/9/2009 6:19:34 AM EST

Originally Posted By MTUSA:
Anything built by Obama backing Union commies.

GM
Mopar
Ford
In that order.

^ this
/thread
Link Posted: 6/9/2009 9:39:38 AM EST
I hate in order

Toyota
Honda
All small lightweight, cheap cars from any mfg(sports cars are exempt)
All european cars(because they look cool but are unreliable and expensive, thats called jealousy)

They have always had poorly built sub par frames, they had to do this because their wimpy engines can not handle more. The overall result is very poor safety, especially when hit from the side.

They have improved dramatically but I now work for suppliers of those companies and they still use some very crappy stuff, Honda is better than Toyota but still takes shortcuts. Sorry, but I have signed a NDA and can not talk much about it, regardless to say I dont even like getting in those cars or anything small for that matter.

I do love Cadillac, Corvette, GMC and some Fords but I fear the socialism the obama regime is going to bring to us over this current fiasco.
Link Posted: 6/9/2009 9:49:11 AM EST
PEUGEOT ... Because I owned a 505 STI for several years, and ... with a complete lack of reputable dealers, all but zero concept of customer service, while adding practically every poorly built option known to man at the time ... turned a wonderful-handling car, that was comfortable and roomy, that looked "classy" then and still looks wonderful 26 years later, and, in most of the world is, at least an acceptable car ...
... and f*#cked it up, and then packed up and left the USA. Fucktards. OK, I'm done.

Stay safe
Link Posted: 6/9/2009 10:12:13 AM EST
Link Posted: 6/9/2009 10:46:19 AM EST
Chrysler - What do they make that people actualy want?
GM
Kia
Hyundia
Ford


I have driven Toyotas most of my life and I still love and want another Tacoma. Although at this point the truck has gotten way too big for it's intened purpose. And while we are at it why won't toyota bring the diesel back?

I love my little Honda Civic. Not the fastest car, but i have put next to nothing into this car and it gets great gas mileage!

I also have two ford trucks that have been the biggest peices of crap i have ever owned in my life. Not that Honda or Toyota doesn't have things go wrong, but the endless list of things I have replaced to keep them running is crazy. I will never buy an american vehicle again until i can see some long term reliability. I dont care about 3 years, make it 10 years with minimal repairs and then I will rethink it.
Link Posted: 6/9/2009 10:50:10 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/10/2009 1:33:54 AM EST by nhgunnut]
As a company, after four torturous years with a 04 Titan I DETEST Nissan. Every one of my attempts to get them to honor Their extended warranty was a nightmare ins at least 2 situations requiring calls to Japan to get them to fulfill the terms of the the contract.
As far as companies I like Hyundai /Kia made their way to the top of may favorite list. In the past 10 years we have owned Dodge Durango, .Hyundai Santa Fe, Hummer H2 , Nissan Titan, Chrysler 300,and a a Honda Ridgeline. Hyundai /Kia has by far the best customer service we have experienced.
Link Posted: 6/9/2009 10:54:16 AM EST
I HATE - Volkswagen, over priced shitty little unreliable Mexican made shitboxes with a thin german candy coating. Don't get me started on the retards buying VW's caravan and paying more for it with less warranty.


My other involves a bit of self-loathing on my part.

Chrysler corp. For the past half century this manufacturer had none nothing but foist the absolute biggest pieces of rolling garbage on the American consumer.

Oddly Enough Jeep is in my top 3 favorite brands
Link Posted: 6/9/2009 11:01:21 AM EST
I hate the people who put union backing commies in office.
Stood by and did nothing while they slowing killed GM and Chrysler.
And are now bitch'n as if they are some how the victims while 1,000s of people are being forced out of their jobs.

Ford is next ,then nonunion car manufacturers and then any nonunion company.
Take the time to look up what they are doing to FedEx,a nonunion and very successful company.
When the statists come after the company you work for...........
Link Posted: 6/9/2009 11:03:35 AM EST
Originally Posted By Krochus:

Oddly Enough Jeep is in my top 3 favorite brands


I really have like the jeep product functionality. It's the quality issues that get old. I don't understand why Americans can't make an oil seal that actually seals oil.

My 200,000 mile Toyota didn't leak oil, so why should both of my American pieces of shit be leaking oil at about 50k miles?
Link Posted: 6/9/2009 11:36:03 AM EST
Link Posted: 6/9/2009 11:54:51 AM EST
Japanese manufacturers aren't immune. There's plenty of Toyota v6'es out there that vomit out oil at a copious rate from every engine orifice, a large quantity of Mitsubishi v6'es that smoke like tar kettles on fire from their valve seals and nissan 3.5's that burn a quart of oil every 500miles. Like MIne.

My one of my 4.0's has 180K and is as clean as a pin underneath, The other in my wrangler leaks some but it has 170K and has been rode hard and put up wet

For me I buy older vehicles so I expect some fluid leakage, to me it's an issue of how easy the fix is.
Link Posted: 6/9/2009 12:03:29 PM EST
[Last Edit: 6/9/2009 12:04:20 PM EST by Lex]
I guess I'm more of a Toyota/Honda fan than any other Mfr.

Bad experience with Mitsu Montero Sport (Co. car), Ford Taurus' (2 of them..Co. cars), Nissan Pulsar, Nissan 240sx, Ford Mustang GT, Pontiac Grand Am GT.

My next vehicle will likely be another Toyota (currently 2 Accords in the household). I like the Accord, just too noisy for my tastes.
Link Posted: 6/9/2009 12:16:46 PM EST
Nissan, and I'm not sure why.
Link Posted: 6/9/2009 1:12:07 PM EST
Not intrested in anything old school GM. The newer LT1s and LS1s are neat though. Most of their muscle cars are overrated at best.

I usually roll Fords of any era. I just feel weird in anything else. I have been known to drive later model GMs or even some german spec stuff. Ick

Link Posted: 6/9/2009 1:36:48 PM EST
GM - the American Leyland. Never has so much be squandered, in so little time, by so few. Chrysler I can forgive - meh they've been marginal since Iaccoca foisted the K-Car on an gullible public - quite a feat sure. But they've been on borrowed time since. Jim Press must be kicking himself in the ass right about now.

But GM - just piss poor management. Sad. Good story here Money's Story on GMs Rise and Fall.

How did we loose this? I can't see MS, HP, Exxon or Walmart gearing up to produce war materials







Link Posted: 6/9/2009 3:00:54 PM EST
Not to happy with GM lately.

My '02 Silverado work truck is falling apart with 60,000 miles. Manual door locks fell off, look coolant like crazy. Tail gate cable recall, and 2 or 3 other recalls fixed when in for tail gate cable repair.

My wife '96 suburban was pretty good going for 237,000 miles with minor problems. Cargo doors sticking, springs falling out of driver and passenger side doors, and interior trim panels and knobs falling off. Could have lived with all that, but it turned itself into a roman candle in the driveway overnight.

My '92 Mustang has been pretty good and only in the shop for non-voluntary work once for an ignition module recall. Everything else has been pretty good save for driving it through too many winters.

On the other hand, our 11 year old new to us 4Runner may be the best money I have spent on a car so far.
Link Posted: 6/9/2009 3:18:09 PM EST
[Last Edit: 6/9/2009 3:19:24 PM EST by GTTacoma]
I can't say I "hate" any manufacturer. Some just don't seem to focus on the things I prioritize.. like the oil leaking (among other) Jeep thing.

I have noticed that I generally can't stand the personalities of people who drive Dodge trucks, though. Not everyone, of course, but It's just something I've noticed. So, I guess by default I hate Dodge trucks?
Link Posted: 6/9/2009 3:33:21 PM EST
Now? GM and Chrysler. I have had multiple Chevys in the past, I will NEVER buy another GM product every again as long as I live.
Link Posted: 6/9/2009 3:41:35 PM EST
GM
Impala had some problems but I gave it a pass for being a few years old and having 70k on it.
GTO had lots of problems, poor corporate and dealer support in my 100+ attempts. I details but I dont have my prepared list on hand right now.

Link Posted: 6/9/2009 7:26:48 PM EST
I'll never buy another non-Subaru car again, I've seen the light.

i guess the company i dislike the most is GM. Not because of any union or government nonsense, I just dislike their cars. Even the new camero I saw today just looks, cheap...
Link Posted: 6/10/2009 2:13:15 AM EST
I absofuckinglutely hate honda products. One of my primary reasons for this is I'm sick of hearing how great they are from the kool aid drinkers. They are cheap, shitty cars and the reliability is no better than anything else. The honda dealer I work near? They run two shifts to keep up with the demand for service. They are always full. The tow trucks haul cars there all the time, just like they do to every other shop. The cars are econoboxes. They are made to a price point, and they do the same cost cutting that other economy brands do. Looking at a civic yesterday, why did they even bother with that rear sway bar? I have coat hangers that are thicker than that.

Toyota is gathering speed to come to second place. This is a company which builds appliances, not cars. I've had some wheel time in my mom's camry. The door handles feel like they will come off in your hand. The interior is made of a shitty grade of plastic, and apparently designed by fisher-price. This car has no feeling, no soul. Its numb. Pretty much like any lexus I've ever driven. I also love how on one hand people go on and on about "reliablilty" and on the other talk about head gaskets, rusted frames, and all the other various problems they can have. I do not see them as any more reliable as any other car. Vehicles are machines. They break. None are immune, otherwise there would be a line around the block for everyone to get one of these.

GM used to be my top pick. They fell from grace years ago, and despite my honestly trying to find something i'd buy, they just don't have it. Ford has come out with some really cool stuff lately, and this from a guy that always hated them. I still wouldn't buy one though. Chrysler builds cars that nobody wants with the exception of the challenger, charger, 300C and viper. But they have Jeep, and that is the vehicle I want right now. They need to step up their game on their smaller cars, let Jeep build grand cherokees, wranglers, and maybe a cherokee type vehicle, and they need a wrangler pickup! I'd liked to have seen the new Ram do better than it has, but the price tag is really hard to swallow. Fuel economy is dismal. Its about two or three years too late to the market place for what it is. It came along at a really bad time.

I work on benzes every day, so I can be a bit hard to impress. I have a feeling about the way things should be, and if a car doesn't meet that standard, its purely crap. It may be the most reliable thing in the world, it might get 90 mpg... but all that is for nothing in my eyes if it doesn't feel right, and is cheap in its appearance. What good is a car if you don't enjoy driving it?
Link Posted: 6/10/2009 4:32:08 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/10/2009 4:33:19 AM EST by llamanator]
GM, ford, american cars for the past decade...

I think its self explanitory.

I love Mitsubishi because they have the Evo

I love foreign because they go forever!

edit: Not to fond of honda though.
Link Posted: 6/10/2009 1:04:16 PM EST
VW

Words can not describe my hatred towards VW.
Link Posted: 6/10/2009 2:09:03 PM EST
[Last Edit: 6/10/2009 2:09:51 PM EST by lew]
Chrysler and GM.

Never liked a single one of Chrysler's offerings and none have had any appeal to me. My family's had Chevy's for so damn long, the line is blurred. Never had any serious issues with any of them. However, after this bailout bullshit, I'll never buy a GM product. That's the sole reason.

I'm going foreign and not looking back. Fuck the UAW and fuck our illustrious government, and whoever is responsible.
Link Posted: 6/10/2009 4:02:56 PM EST
Bently
Rolls-Royce
Maserati

To snooty ..............
Link Posted: 6/10/2009 5:36:38 PM EST
GM because I have never had a GM product that didn't give me shit about something.
Link Posted: 6/10/2009 5:50:07 PM EST
Hate:

GM
Chrysler
Volvo
Volkswagon

Link Posted: 6/11/2009 2:36:17 AM EST
after I owned my Mercury Capri with the 1 barrel carb, I hated all things Ford. But now that I have a F150 I don't think I'd buy another GM again.
Link Posted: 6/11/2009 4:29:33 AM EST
I'll add in saturn....
Link Posted: 6/11/2009 5:33:22 AM EST
Chrysler. Everything they make is garbage.

I want to like GM, but they don't make anything that I would want to drive. I wouldn't mind a new Silverado, but they are no longer offered with a manual transmission. Same with the G8. Only being offered with an auto is a deal breaker for me. Same with Toyota. They don't make anything that I would like to drive day in day out. I want a car, not a transportation appliance.

I am really impressed with the quality of some of the new GM stuff. I had a Saturn Aura as a rental, and it felt like a pretty solid little car, definitly more exciting to drive and look at than a Camry, and it isn't a fat bloated car like the new Accords are.

I have been really happy with both of my last new newer vehicles. A 2002 Hyundai Elantra GT and a 2003 Ford Ranger. The Hyundai was a great car, and if I wasn't a dumb punk kid who couldn't manage money I would still be driving it. I've had my Ranger for 4+ years now, and I haven't had any major problems. And the Ranger is the only true compact truck anymore.
Link Posted: 6/11/2009 11:07:13 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/11/2009 11:09:04 AM EST by Deej86]
The Mustang and the Escort are really the only 2 Fords I like. Sorry Quintin.


I'm a GM guy at heart.

Not a huge fan of Nissan. Hate the looks of the newer ones, plus my godmother bought a '02 or '03 Altima and had to go lemon law on it, plus my mom rented(not by choice) a Sentra when her Blazer got rear-ended, and that thing had no room in it. Now Infiniti, I like. G35/G37 coupes are sweet
Link Posted: 6/11/2009 1:45:07 PM EST
The only GM car I ever really liked was the Vega & that's mostly out of pure contrariness & spite towards all the Chevy fanboys back in highschool.
GM styling/engineering = meh at best & WTF at worst.

As far as I'm concerned Chrysler died a long while back when they killed off the last of the real Mopar rwd cars (the M body Diplomat/Gran Fury/Fifth Avenue), dropped the slant six & went to Chevy <spit> style pedestal mounted rockers on the 318/360 instead of proper shaft mounted rockers.
Link Posted: 6/12/2009 10:53:05 AM EST
Jeep and Pontiac because my Cherokee and Formula were pieces of shit.
Link Posted: 6/12/2009 6:35:09 PM EST
Originally Posted By nhgunnut:
As a company, after four torturous years with a 04 Titan I DETEST Nissan. Every one of my attempts to get them to honor Their extended warranty was a nightmare ins at least 2 situations requiring calls to Japan to get them to fulfill the terms of the the contract.
As far as companies I like Hyundai /Kia made their way to the top of may favorite list. In the past 10 years we have owned Dodge Durango, .Hyundai Santa Fe, Hummer H2 , Nissan Titan, Chrysler 300,and a a Honda Ridgeline. Hyundai /Kia has by far the best customer service we have experienced.


That's why you don't buy a brand new model (04 Titan) built at a brand new manufacturing plant. The early Titans had issues, but Nissan made the required fixes over the lifespan of the truck. Ford, Chevy, and Chrysler wouldn't acknowledge the problem at all, and would only address issues at the next redesign.

I have an 08 Titan and it's been problem free for the last 56K miles. The 08s have redesigned brakes, stronger rear axle, and a revised interior. It's one fun to drive truck to this day and I never get tired of driving it.

Link Posted: 6/12/2009 6:44:48 PM EST
Originally Posted By saturnstyl:
I absofuckinglutely hate honda products. One of my primary reasons for this is I'm sick of hearing how great they are from the kool aid drinkers. They are cheap, shitty cars and the reliability is no better than anything else. The honda dealer I work near? They run two shifts to keep up with the demand for service. They are always full. The tow trucks haul cars there all the time, just like they do to every other shop. The cars are econoboxes. They are made to a price point, and they do the same cost cutting that other economy brands do. Looking at a civic yesterday, why did they even bother with that rear sway bar? I have coat hangers that are thicker than that.

Toyota is gathering speed to come to second place. This is a company which builds appliances, not cars. I've had some wheel time in my mom's camry. The door handles feel like they will come off in your hand. The interior is made of a shitty grade of plastic, and apparently designed by fisher-price. This car has no feeling, no soul. Its numb. Pretty much like any lexus I've ever driven. I also love how on one hand people go on and on about "reliablilty" and on the other talk about head gaskets, rusted frames, and all the other various problems they can have. I do not see them as any more reliable as any other car. Vehicles are machines. They break. None are immune, otherwise there would be a line around the block for everyone to get one of these.

GM used to be my top pick. They fell from grace years ago, and despite my honestly trying to find something i'd buy, they just don't have it. Ford has come out with some really cool stuff lately, and this from a guy that always hated them. I still wouldn't buy one though. Chrysler builds cars that nobody wants with the exception of the challenger, charger, 300C and viper. But they have Jeep, and that is the vehicle I want right now. They need to step up their game on their smaller cars, let Jeep build grand cherokees, wranglers, and maybe a cherokee type vehicle, and they need a wrangler pickup! I'd liked to have seen the new Ram do better than it has, but the price tag is really hard to swallow. Fuel economy is dismal. Its about two or three years too late to the market place for what it is. It came along at a really bad time.

I work on benzes every day, so I can be a bit hard to impress. I have a feeling about the way things should be, and if a car doesn't meet that standard, its purely crap. It may be the most reliable thing in the world, it might get 90 mpg... but all that is for nothing in my eyes if it doesn't feel right, and is cheap in its appearance. What good is a car if you don't enjoy driving it?


I read your posts about all the stuff you have to fix on your MB's and I have to laugh cause it only confirms what I already new. That they are over priced unreliable turds. The reason Hondas are lined up at the dealer is because they outsell almost every car out there and for good reasons. You need to educate yourself and come down from your high german horse.

Link Posted: 6/12/2009 6:48:22 PM EST
Dislikes

Chrysler - Every single one I've been in has had a cheap POS interior. Even the higher end models. They do have a decent design team though.

GM - GM interiors are absolute crap. The cars and trucks have no styling at all. The drive trains are pretty good though. They also can't seem to get the door handles to stay on their pickups. Take a look around and see how many of them have the door handles and tailgate handle missing or just hanging.

Ford - Interiors are the best of the big 3. The styling of the cars aren't that bad, but have gone down hill since they started the big ass 3 bar grill on everything. The European designed cars look sweet though. The engines aren't as powerful as the competition, but aren't that bad overall. However, Ford pissed me off with the way they handled my 06 F150 that went through 5 transmissions in 27K miles. They also support the UAW, so no Fords for me.

Likes

Nissan - Own a 08 Nissan Titan right now and it's been a great truck. American made components and assembled right here in the good ole USA.

Hyundai - My friend has one and for the price I dare you to find a car that can compete with it. They just seem built really well and have lots of nice features included at a base model price.
Link Posted: 6/12/2009 8:49:45 PM EST
[Last Edit: 6/12/2009 8:57:58 PM EST by BlackTaco]
It's funny to read what peoples opinions are to why they hate each certain brand of vehicle.
I laughed out loud at the guy that said he hated Toyota for the Camry door handles. It's a Fucking econobox!! Of course Toyota's not going to use a solid piece of fucking brass for God's sake!!

What I hate most and why:
FUCK V.W..........Left me stranded too many times. (and I'm slightly mechanically inclined). I gave them 2 chances, and never again. (water cooling issues, electrical issues out the ass, tranny issues).
GM/Saturn/American MFG..........mostly for the union issue. That, and I've seen my all my friends and family's fall apart around me and depreciate in value like no other. (eta - and have had to be the on-call come fix my POS S10 (2000 something) for the past 3 years)

All of my Honda's cars - nearly 0 issues.

Then I went to Toyota trucks (finally woke up).
I put hundreds of thousands of miles on a 1983, 1984, 1998, 2003, 2006 Toyota pick-ups and a 4-runner. Towing our 17' boat, 2 quads, camping nearly every weekend, and wheeling the ever loving SHIT out of these things.
I've never had a non-routine maintenance problem. Done the Alternator, belts, oil, filters, struts, (lifts), and that's about it. (knock on wood!!!!!!)

The 03' and 06' are our DD's....
I still have the 1998 4x4 Tacoma (150K). It's my weekend wheeler, and I still to this day would hop in the thing, drive it from WA to NY, and Back.....with 0 issues. I'd bet a shit-ton of money on that.

We will be most likely purchasing a 2006+ BMW 325i here shortly, which is why I logged on today. To ask your fine folks opinions. And I'm happy to see not 1 BMW bash in this entire thread LOL.
Link Posted: 6/13/2009 2:19:40 AM EST
Originally Posted By Ch0wd3r:
Originally Posted By saturnstyl:
I absofuckinglutely hate honda products. One of my primary reasons for this is I'm sick of hearing how great they are from the kool aid drinkers. They are cheap, shitty cars and the reliability is no better than anything else. The honda dealer I work near? They run two shifts to keep up with the demand for service. They are always full. The tow trucks haul cars there all the time, just like they do to every other shop. The cars are econoboxes. They are made to a price point, and they do the same cost cutting that other economy brands do. Looking at a civic yesterday, why did they even bother with that rear sway bar? I have coat hangers that are thicker than that.

Toyota is gathering speed to come to second place. This is a company which builds appliances, not cars. I've had some wheel time in my mom's camry. The door handles feel like they will come off in your hand. The interior is made of a shitty grade of plastic, and apparently designed by fisher-price. This car has no feeling, no soul. Its numb. Pretty much like any lexus I've ever driven. I also love how on one hand people go on and on about "reliablilty" and on the other talk about head gaskets, rusted frames, and all the other various problems they can have. I do not see them as any more reliable as any other car. Vehicles are machines. They break. None are immune, otherwise there would be a line around the block for everyone to get one of these.

GM used to be my top pick. They fell from grace years ago, and despite my honestly trying to find something i'd buy, they just don't have it. Ford has come out with some really cool stuff lately, and this from a guy that always hated them. I still wouldn't buy one though. Chrysler builds cars that nobody wants with the exception of the challenger, charger, 300C and viper. But they have Jeep, and that is the vehicle I want right now. They need to step up their game on their smaller cars, let Jeep build grand cherokees, wranglers, and maybe a cherokee type vehicle, and they need a wrangler pickup! I'd liked to have seen the new Ram do better than it has, but the price tag is really hard to swallow. Fuel economy is dismal. Its about two or three years too late to the market place for what it is. It came along at a really bad time.

I work on benzes every day, so I can be a bit hard to impress. I have a feeling about the way things should be, and if a car doesn't meet that standard, its purely crap. It may be the most reliable thing in the world, it might get 90 mpg... but all that is for nothing in my eyes if it doesn't feel right, and is cheap in its appearance. What good is a car if you don't enjoy driving it?


I read your posts about all the stuff you have to fix on your MB's and I have to laugh cause it only confirms what I already new. That they are over priced unreliable turds. The reason Hondas are lined up at the dealer is because they outsell almost every car out there and for good reasons. You need to educate yourself and come down from your high german horse.




I would suggest you educate yourself before making such statements. I tend to post in greater detail every day what I do. Everyone of us techs here is in the business of FIXING CARS. Its all we do all day long (provided there is any work to do at all). Just because someone doesn't say I did this, this and this, doesn't mean they sat on their ass doing nothing. Spend some time at any random dealership and you will find a whole lot of broken cars being fixed for one reason or another.

I could also throw in the fact that in my car line, the owners are more affluent and the vehicles far more complex. This makes it much more likely the client will simply bring his car in to have it repaired than do it himself.

The reason hondas are lined up out the door, is simply because they are BROKEN, otherwise they would not be there. Enjoy your econobox, while those of us who truly enjoy our vehicles will be driving real cars.
Link Posted: 6/13/2009 5:58:21 AM EST
Originally Posted By saturnstyl:
Originally Posted By Ch0wd3r:
Originally Posted By saturnstyl:
I absofuckinglutely hate honda products. One of my primary reasons for this is I'm sick of hearing how great they are from the kool aid drinkers. They are cheap, shitty cars and the reliability is no better than anything else. The honda dealer I work near? They run two shifts to keep up with the demand for service. They are always full. The tow trucks haul cars there all the time, just like they do to every other shop. The cars are econoboxes. They are made to a price point, and they do the same cost cutting that other economy brands do. Looking at a civic yesterday, why did they even bother with that rear sway bar? I have coat hangers that are thicker than that.

Toyota is gathering speed to come to second place. This is a company which builds appliances, not cars. I've had some wheel time in my mom's camry. The door handles feel like they will come off in your hand. The interior is made of a shitty grade of plastic, and apparently designed by fisher-price. This car has no feeling, no soul. Its numb. Pretty much like any lexus I've ever driven. I also love how on one hand people go on and on about "reliablilty" and on the other talk about head gaskets, rusted frames, and all the other various problems they can have. I do not see them as any more reliable as any other car. Vehicles are machines. They break. None are immune, otherwise there would be a line around the block for everyone to get one of these.

GM used to be my top pick. They fell from grace years ago, and despite my honestly trying to find something i'd buy, they just don't have it. Ford has come out with some really cool stuff lately, and this from a guy that always hated them. I still wouldn't buy one though. Chrysler builds cars that nobody wants with the exception of the challenger, charger, 300C and viper. But they have Jeep, and that is the vehicle I want right now. They need to step up their game on their smaller cars, let Jeep build grand cherokees, wranglers, and maybe a cherokee type vehicle, and they need a wrangler pickup! I'd liked to have seen the new Ram do better than it has, but the price tag is really hard to swallow. Fuel economy is dismal. Its about two or three years too late to the market place for what it is. It came along at a really bad time.

I work on benzes every day, so I can be a bit hard to impress. I have a feeling about the way things should be, and if a car doesn't meet that standard, its purely crap. It may be the most reliable thing in the world, it might get 90 mpg... but all that is for nothing in my eyes if it doesn't feel right, and is cheap in its appearance. What good is a car if you don't enjoy driving it?


I read your posts about all the stuff you have to fix on your MB's and I have to laugh cause it only confirms what I already new. That they are over priced unreliable turds. The reason Hondas are lined up at the dealer is because they outsell almost every car out there and for good reasons. You need to educate yourself and come down from your high german horse.




I would suggest you educate yourself before making such statements. I tend to post in greater detail every day what I do. Everyone of us techs here is in the business of FIXING CARS. Its all we do all day long (provided there is any work to do at all). Just because someone doesn't say I did this, this and this, doesn't mean they sat on their ass doing nothing. Spend some time at any random dealership and you will find a whole lot of broken cars being fixed for one reason or another.

I could also throw in the fact that in my car line, the owners are more affluent and the vehicles far more complex. This makes it much more likely the client will simply bring his car in to have it repaired than do it himself.

The reason hondas are lined up out the door, is simply because they are BROKEN, otherwise they would not be there. Enjoy your econobox, while those of us who truly enjoy our vehicles will be driving real cars.


Oh I forgot to add, I have been employed as a new car tech non stop since 1984. worked in a body shop before that for 4 years. Won a manufacturers National Top Tech troubleshooting contest 3 times in four years.

I now hire, mentor and fire guys like you.

Honda, Toyota and Lexus are on top for a good reason.

Whats your c/p to warranty ratio? I guarantee its way higher than Honda's.

Link Posted: 6/13/2009 8:15:23 AM EST
I have owned honda and toyota and been in the recent ones. They are no where near what they are cracked up to be. Some have pretty serious issues with reliability and safety.

I dont own a MB but...

I would take any MB over any honda or toyota any day of the week. MB uses a much better steel in the frames, and more of it. They are also quieter, more powerful and more fun to drive. I could go into the serious safety problems that have remained with the Japanese cars unfixed for more than 15 years as well. Yes, I am sure MB break down more, but I dont really care about the 5% difference, especially considering a good MB S-class will easily last 20 years or more if taken care of. I can not remember the last time I saw a japanese car over 10 years old.
Link Posted: 6/13/2009 8:29:36 AM EST
I love my Jeep and Honda and I like toyotas and nissans. Everthing else is unattractive to me.
Link Posted: 6/13/2009 9:17:19 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/13/2009 9:19:32 AM EST by HardShell]
Link Posted: 6/13/2009 10:14:18 AM EST
Originally Posted By Ch0wd3r:



Oh I forgot to add, I have been employed as a new car tech non stop since 1984. worked in a body shop before that for 4 years. Won a manufacturers National Top Tech troubleshooting contest 3 times in four years.

I now hire, mentor and fire guys like you.

Honda, Toyota and Lexus are on top for a good reason.

Whats your c/p to warranty ratio? I guarantee its way higher than Honda's.



Warranty was down 40% last year alone.

I don't hire or fire, but I do fix problems that most other people cannot, and I do it quickly. I've placed in the top 10% of the techs in the USA before they canceled our competition this year. The cars I work on are far more complicated than anything honda or toyota offer. This isn't to say I do not respect those who make their living doing that, it is to say that your cars do not have the equipment even available. If it doesn't have that system, then it can't very well break now can it?

You can stop the internet dick beating, because in the end we will simply need to agree to disagree. Nothing you say about your personal experience will change my opinion of your beloved manufacturer, and we both cater to a different clientele.

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