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Posted: 7/28/2005 11:14:51 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/31/2005 7:54:01 PM EDT by JBravo223]
I am taking my 14 year old sister to the range this Saturday. This will be the first time she has ever fired a gun. I am really excited and I know she is also because she has been wanting to try this for a long time. So here is the question I need answered... What do I teach her to shoot on?

Remington 597 .22 cal (semi)
Ruger 10/22 .22 cal (semi w/ Bull Barrel)
CZ 452 .22 cal (bolt action)

Do you think it would be okay to let her shoot the AR or would it be to much for a first time? How far should I set the target out to? Also, wou setting up some cans be a good idea? I want to make it as fun for her as possible (that way she can be pro-gun when she gets older ) btw... all of her friends with uber-liberal parents are jealous that she has a brother that will take her shooting rather than teach her how to play video games...
Link Posted: 7/28/2005 11:15:16 AM EDT
bolt action, iron sights
Link Posted: 7/28/2005 11:15:46 AM EDT

Originally Posted By TheRedHorseman:
bolt action, iron sights



+1, preferably in a .22

Sgat1r5
Link Posted: 7/28/2005 11:18:46 AM EDT
I would think the bolt action .22 would easily be the best.
No kick, can't spray and pray, and get to work the bolt.

I took some kids out shooting a 10/22 and they just did the spray and pray thing, emptying the mag in like 0.1 seconds. It wasn't a very productive trip.

The kick on an AR is practically neglible for an adult, but it's much more than a 22lr. Don't want to teach any bad habits.

Link Posted: 7/28/2005 11:18:59 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/28/2005 11:20:27 AM EDT by JBravo223]
I was thinking that may be a good idea. The CZ is a .22 cal.

Just two questions

1) Why iron sights and not a scope?
2) Why the bolt action?

eta: you answered question #2 before I got to post (LOL)

Link Posted: 7/28/2005 11:19:31 AM EDT
MP5 in 10mm

But any bolt action 22 will work.
Link Posted: 7/28/2005 11:21:02 AM EDT
Fat_McNasty

Can I borrow you MP5?
Link Posted: 7/28/2005 11:21:59 AM EDT

Originally Posted By JBravo223:
I was thinking that may be a good idea. The CZ is a .22 cal.

Just two questions

1) Why iron sights and not a scope?
2) Why the bolt action?



to teach the fundamentals of marksmanship. with a bolt action you teach them to hit their target with one shot, not wail on the trigger and hope to hit it. Irons also require the kid to learn to shoot well. once the kid learn to shoot well with irons, then graduate them to a scope, and increase the distance.
Link Posted: 7/28/2005 11:22:07 AM EDT
I also agree with .22 bolt action with iron sights.

I friend asked me to teach her son how to shoot, so I picked up an old Winchester Model 69 on Gunbroker. It's got nice target-type peep sights, and I got a single shot adapter to use instead of the five round magazine from Brownells. Very similar to the rifle I learned to shoot with at Boy Scout Camp years ago.
Link Posted: 7/28/2005 11:23:09 AM EDT
CZ 452 .22 cal (bolt action)

Sometimes kids have a problem with the concept of "finger off the trigger" and it takes a while. The bolt is just a lot safer until you are sure how well the lessons have been learned.
Link Posted: 7/28/2005 11:24:46 AM EDT
CZ, hands down.

It's a damn fine rifle, too, not just some cheap hunk of crap.
Link Posted: 7/28/2005 11:25:07 AM EDT
Link Posted: 7/28/2005 11:25:43 AM EDT

Originally Posted By JBravo223:
Fat_McNasty

Can I borrow you MP5?



I think StyerAug is a little closer!

You want to know what I'm training my son on... Hes 4. AR15 with collapsible stock, 22Lr conversion bolt and red dot sight. It works great. With the stock collapsed its a perfect fit. After 20 Mins working with him he was breaking clays at 25 and 50 yards.
Link Posted: 7/28/2005 11:27:12 AM EDT
For a kid; a bolt .22
For a 14 year old, start them on the AR.
Link Posted: 7/28/2005 11:33:19 AM EDT
+1 on the CZ. Starting a new shooter off with iron sights makes them develope the eye coordination that will be the building block for things to come. As it has already been said, the bolt action is the safest way to go and teaches the shooter the concept of shot placement, not how fast one can empty a mag. Just my 2 cents worth.
Link Posted: 7/28/2005 11:38:04 AM EDT
Since we're talking bolt action 22lr rifles, what's the best low cost one for a young child?
I mean like either with an adjustable stock or a short stock, so they can properly shoulder it.
My daughter is almost 6 and I do not feel she is mature enough to shoot yet, but I can't see it being much longer. I'd like to have a 22 in mind, and an adjustable stock would be cool so she can grow with the rifle and maybe even dad can shoot it too lol.

I have an AR-7 which is pretty short stocked, but it's semi.

Link Posted: 7/28/2005 12:15:10 PM EDT
I'd start with a light weight 22LR semi-auto like the 597 or 10-22. Start with only 1 round in the magazine. Once she has the sight picture and trigger squeeze down pat, then fill the magazine and let her have fun. Nothing is more fun for a newbie than blowin' the center out of a target.
Link Posted: 7/28/2005 12:16:53 PM EDT
GE m134 of course
Link Posted: 7/28/2005 12:17:31 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TheRedHorseman:
bolt action, iron sights



I agree, Bolt action.

ben
Link Posted: 7/28/2005 12:31:07 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Justa_TXguy:
Since we're talking bolt action 22lr rifles, what's the best low cost one for a young child?
I mean like either with an adjustable stock or a short stock, so they can properly shoulder it.
My daughter is almost 6 and I do not feel she is mature enough to shoot yet, but I can't see it being much longer. I'd like to have a 22 in mind, and an adjustable stock would be cool so she can grow with the rifle and maybe even dad can shoot it too lol.

I have an AR-7 which is pretty short stocked, but it's semi.



The biggest problem for a young kid is making the rifle light enough to shoot offhand.

I'd get a used 10-22, chop the buttstock and rout out the forend to lose weight. Then drop in a Butler Creek Ultra-Lite barrel. The neat thing about 10-22 is modularity and cheap parts. As she grows, it can be modified to fit her needs.
Link Posted: 7/28/2005 12:31:58 PM EDT
Link Posted: 7/28/2005 2:46:57 PM EDT
Well, my son isnt out of the "oven" yet but I still have my old Marlin bolt .22 and I'm looking to get another Ruger 10/22 to replace the one I sold years ago (stupid I know). I want to teach him as I was taught to love and cherrish long arms and shooting sports. He's going to inherit some very nices weapons.
Link Posted: 7/28/2005 2:51:35 PM EDT
I guess I don't know why she couldn't lear on an mforgery. The kick won't hurt her. She gets to learn on a big boy gun.

My 5'4 120 wife has no problem with my Bushy M4gery......I fail to see why a new shooter couldn't handle one. Lord, plenty of 17+ year olds do in the service.

Iron sights....

Basics.
Link Posted: 7/28/2005 2:52:41 PM EDT
338 Lapua Magnum.

The'll never complain about recoil again.
Link Posted: 7/28/2005 2:55:04 PM EDT
Started my boys on the 10/22.

Both of them now have their own AR's. Ones 13 and the other is 8.
Link Posted: 7/28/2005 2:56:07 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Fat_McNasty:

You want to know what I'm training my son on... Hes 4. AR15 with collapsible stock, 22Lr conversion bolt and red dot sight. It works great. With the stock collapsed its a perfect fit. After 20 Mins working with him he was breaking clays at 25 and 50 yards.



Isn't that a little like giving a kid a digital watch before he knows how to read a clock face?
Link Posted: 7/28/2005 2:57:26 PM EDT
Well, I was groomed on a Walther .22 bolt my grandpa shiped back from Germany....worked for me....
Link Posted: 7/28/2005 2:58:52 PM EDT
Young child : single shot .22
Older child, go with a bolt or even a semi .22, depending on kids maturity level.
Link Posted: 7/28/2005 2:59:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/28/2005 2:59:58 PM EDT by Essayons]

Originally Posted By TheRedHorseman:
bolt action, iron sights



+1


Originally Posted By NickySantoro:
CZ 452 .22 cal (bolt action)



+1 again
Link Posted: 7/28/2005 3:03:57 PM EDT
She is very mature. I have no worries about her "balsting away". I don't want to start her off on the AR because I don't want to scare her away from shooting. Thanks for all the advice
Link Posted: 7/28/2005 3:04:40 PM EDT

Originally Posted By JBravo223:
1) Why iron sights and not a scope?


There are too many ADULTS who rely on scopes without being able to shoot iron sights well; I wouldn't want to give a kid that problem.
Link Posted: 7/28/2005 3:26:17 PM EDT
For initial exposure the two most important things are safety and and enjoyment. Understand that you are selling.

Regards,
Mild Bill
Link Posted: 7/28/2005 3:30:53 PM EDT
Can anyone tell me why you couldn't teach a kid how to shoot on an mforgery?

I agree...Iron sights.
Link Posted: 7/28/2005 3:33:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/28/2005 3:50:33 PM EDT by limaxray]
I just got done doing the research on a youth-model .22 single-shot bolt gun. My money is on the Marlin YM-15. It's the right length for anyone from an 8-yr old (when I bought one for each of my boys) up to pre-teen. My now-14-yr old son (5'6") is just now starting to outgrow it on length of pull. It's also light enough that they can control it safely. I paid $150 for mine.

ETA: Sorry, they changed the model # on me--now it's the 915Y and 915YS.

Caliber 22 Short, Long or Long Rifle
Capacity Single shot
Action Bolt action; easy-load feed ramp; thumb safety; red cocking indicator.
Stock Walnut finished hardwood Monte Carlo stock with full pistol grip; tough Mar-Shield® finish. (Length of pull-12").

Barrel 16.25" with Micro-Groove® rifling (16 grooves).
Twist Rate 1:16" r.h.
Sights Adjustable rear, ramp front fiber-optic Fire Sights; cutaway Wide-Scan™ hood. Receiver grooved for scope mount; drilled and tapped for scope bases*.
Overall Length 33.25"
Weight 4.25 lbs.




Stainless model:
Link Posted: 7/28/2005 3:37:16 PM EDT

Originally Posted By limaxray:
I just got done doing the research on a youth-model .22 single-shot bolt gun. My money is on the Marlin YM-15. It's the right length for anyone from an 8-yr old (when I bought one for each of my boys) up to pre-teen. My now-14-yr old son (5'6") is just now starting to outgrow it on length of pull. It's also light enough that they can control it safely.

Caliber 22 Short, Long or Long Rifle
Capacity Single shot
Action Bolt action; easy-load feed ramp; thumb safety; red cocking indicator.
Stock Walnut finished hardwood Monte Carlo stock with full pistol grip; tough Mar-Shield® finish. (Length of pull-12").

Barrel 16.25" with Micro-Groove® rifling (16 grooves).
Twist Rate 1:16" r.h.
Sights Adjustable rear, ramp front fiber-optic Fire Sights; cutaway Wide-Scan™ hood. Receiver grooved for scope mount; drilled and tapped for scope bases*.
Overall Length 33.25"
Weight 4.25 lbs.


www.marlinfirearms.com/firearms/images/firearmImages/915Y.jpg

Stainless model:
www.marlinfirearms.com/firearms/images/firearmImages/915YS.jpg



Excellent research.

I fail to see how learing with a bolt gun will teach children on a semi gun.......Unless that's the gun they will be useing.

Since when does the kick of an Mforgery prohibit teaching on that platform, if availiable?
Link Posted: 7/28/2005 3:49:24 PM EDT
I started out on my Grandfather's .177 Air Rifle, then went to the tube fed .22, and I still own a Ruger .22 Semi Auto Stainless very cheap to use.
Link Posted: 7/28/2005 3:55:23 PM EDT
FA MP5
Link Posted: 7/31/2005 7:53:43 PM EDT
Well, we went on Saturday and my sister had an absolute blast.

She chose the Remington 597 as her first gun to shoot. She did really good with it, she even had some nice groups for a first timer. I did have a scope on it because I wanted her to see what she was shooting.

After the 597 we moved to my favorite, the AR middy with open sights. She put 30 rounds down range and even hit the target at 100 yards, I was very proud.

So fellas, it looks like we have a future gun nut here . She can't wait to go back.
Link Posted: 7/31/2005 8:00:19 PM EDT
Go pick up another CZ in 458 Lott
Link Posted: 8/3/2005 5:34:17 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Goonboss:
Can anyone tell me why you couldn't teach a kid how to shoot on an mforgery?

I agree...Iron sights.


Cost of the ammo, and for very small children the size/weight of even an AR type weapon might interfere with their ability to safely handle the weapon.
Link Posted: 8/3/2005 6:09:33 PM EDT

Originally Posted By tc556guy:

Originally Posted By Goonboss:
Can anyone tell me why you couldn't teach a kid how to shoot on an mforgery?

I agree...Iron sights.


Cost of the ammo, and for very small children the size/weight of even an AR type weapon might interfere with their ability to safely handle the weapon.

That's funny. Almost all my kids have been firing semi auto centerfire weapons since they were <10 yrs old. Didn't seem to hurt them much!

They learned a terrible truth... autoloaders are FUN!!!! I am afraid they are all now hopelessly addicted.
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