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Posted: 10/7/2005 9:03:32 PM EDT
[#1]
You wanna fucking bet, toecheese? 
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Posted: 10/7/2005 9:12:34 PM EDT
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Those people have no lives, book was written for tent people nomadic tribes, they could not compete with the civilized world back then and the failed Islamic states today cannot either, bunch of religious BULLSHIT.....
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Posted: 10/7/2005 9:20:16 PM EDT
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My God can kick your God's ass ... and in the end that's all that really matters now isn't it?
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Posted: 10/7/2005 9:22:34 PM EDT
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"It will be more easy to raise ships and men to fight these pirates into reason, than money to bribe them." |
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Posted: 10/7/2005 9:24:43 PM EDT
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Ah yes... my boy TJ! 
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Posted: 10/8/2005 8:55:46 AM EDT
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Bump for the infidels on the day shift!
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Posted: 10/8/2005 9:00:20 AM EDT
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hey, that's me! 
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Posted: 10/8/2005 9:06:28 AM EDT
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yeah, it's obvious they dislike it. |
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Posted: 10/8/2005 9:10:10 AM EDT
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Slay the infidels wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush using every means of trickery and deceit until they all embrace Islam. Surah 9:5
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Posted: 10/8/2005 9:11:33 AM EDT
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IBTL
Way too good. Go post this over at DU! 
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Posted: 10/8/2005 8:43:50 PM EDT
[#12]
More words of peace & tolerance from the Prophet Mohammed...
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Posted: 10/8/2005 8:57:42 PM EDT
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The Koran is so full of crap it isn't even funny.
Honestly, the thing is full of contradictions and factual errors! Most of the time it just reads like one man's rant against the world and everyone he hates. |
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Posted: 10/8/2005 9:07:31 PM EDT
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Andy, the experts agree with you...
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Posted: 10/8/2005 9:09:08 PM EDT
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To me one of the greatest arguments against Islam, and for Christianity is the outcome of a society which has been founded on the principles of each. Show me a nation which is founded on the principles of Islam which respects life and liberty, which believes in religious freedom and the value of the individual. These concepts are present in our society because they had their root in our founding fathers' beliefs. These concepts have made our nation the most envied in the world. Yes, they may hate us, but I believe it is a hatred rooted in jealousy. I'd be willing to bet almost any militant muslim in the world would love to have the lifestyle we enjoy in the US today.
As an aside, exposing the true nature of Islam has nothing to do with hating those who are influenced by it. The true Christian perspective holds that all men are sinners and are in need of a savior. A person who understands and believes in Christianity understands that his own sinfulness is just as real as every other person's. |
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Posted: 10/8/2005 9:16:16 PM EDT
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NY patriot evrytime you seem to post one of these threads . It seems that eventually it seems to get locked. I agree that the koran is a book of hate. I don't want too say much more because I don't want to be the reason it gets locked.But keep posting them
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Posted: 10/8/2005 9:21:57 PM EDT
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Actually only one of my nine "true nature of Islam" threads wound up getting locked, so give credit where credit is due: the Staff & Mods. have generally shown good judgement & restraint in regards to this lecture series. |
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Posted: 10/8/2005 9:23:29 PM EDT
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Sorry I thought it was more .
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Posted: 10/8/2005 9:23:29 PM EDT
[#19]
Infidel tag
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Posted: 10/8/2005 9:28:41 PM EDT
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Seems to me it was writen by some hot headed liberal over at DU than a prophet. It makes little to no sense and just seems to point a finger of blame at the Jews and Christians.
It's almost like someone at DU saying "Don't deal with anybody that's a Republican or Libertarian, they're EVIL, everything is their fault." It has to many contradictions and factual errors as 1Andy2 said. |
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Posted: 10/8/2005 9:29:10 PM EDT
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Hey...can we say the "I" word. I had thought some creative interpretations, by those in power, of the dreaded "I" word had it abolished for use. 
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Posted: 10/8/2005 9:33:22 PM EDT
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tag
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Posted: 10/8/2005 9:34:03 PM EDT
[#23]
Excellent series sir!
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Posted: 10/8/2005 9:37:32 PM EDT
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Those lines do exist in the qoran and are often used to justify "jihad"(HOLY war, yes as meaning using islam to justify the cause). I've seen a few of them quoted elsewhere.
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Posted: 10/8/2005 9:42:52 PM EDT
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Our resident apologists for Islam are strangely absent from this installment of the series.
 I wonder why??? 
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Posted: 10/8/2005 9:55:30 PM EDT
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One of my friends bought himself a copy of the Koran, saying "know thy enemy". While he was reading it he went around campus yelling random verses at the top of his lungs like he was crazy. Which he is, but that's beside the point.
When he was done, he said he'd keep the relevent pages for arguing against islam and use the rest when he ran out of 2-ply. *sniff* I love it when your little converts grow up.  First guns, then politics, then tv shows and movies, and now religion. Pretty soon I'll have enough people to start a personality cult around me.
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Posted: 10/8/2005 10:07:10 PM EDT
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Some of us have lives outside of the internet. edited until i got time tommorow to look up the correct sura. You may very well be correct. ETA: I got no problem saying that radical islam is the enemy, but don't be so quick to believe your own propaganda about all muslims being evil, hell spawns - you begin to sound like an Al-qaeda spokesman.
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Posted: 10/8/2005 10:14:29 PM EDT
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I wonder if somewhere, there's a bunch of ROP'ers sitting around a camp fire, talking about how the Bible contradicts itself and picking out passages that make christians look bad.
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Posted: 10/8/2005 10:19:17 PM EDT
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+1 |
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Posted: 10/8/2005 10:24:25 PM EDT
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The problem with the Koran is its language and the spin of the translators who transpose it to other languages.
One cannot do a literal translation BUT there is a little clue into what translations have excess "spin". That would be seeing excessive use of the PBUTH acronym spalttered about the translation like pidgeon poop on a NYC sidewalk. I think I will stick with the NYPatriot's translations as being most accurate. You see, the translation of the Koran into any other language is itself a greivous sin in Islam. Why? Because they don't want the message changed...but because indoctrination by learning Arabic virtually eliminates those "infidel spies". Insha Yeshua! (Christ over all!) |
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Posted: 10/8/2005 10:28:23 PM EDT
[#31]
tag
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Posted: 10/8/2005 10:44:08 PM EDT
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Wow... you got me big guy. Guilty as charged. The quote "Fight against such as those to whom the Scriptures were given [Jews and Christians]...until they pay tribute out of hand and are utterly subdued" is not Sura 9:27, but Sura 9:29!!!  Happy now? |
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Posted: 10/8/2005 10:47:52 PM EDT
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Go look at Europe from the 6th century all the way to the 15th, and see if you still hold that opinion. |
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Posted: 10/8/2005 10:51:09 PM EDT
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Which one is right? Ok, I'll be nice  
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Posted: 10/8/2005 10:51:31 PM EDT
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The Moors invaded Spain before the start of the Crusades. And had it not been for a few crafty Romainians keeping the Islamic hordes out of Europe, it would have been a multiple prong attack. |
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Posted: 10/8/2005 11:01:45 PM EDT
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And lets us not forget to not work on the sabbath or we shall die !!
The book of God, The holly bible. See how easy is to make a book into something evil. So lets quit it. The bible is ruthless just as any book of its days. It talks of killing the children and wifes of "infidels" and so on. So lets just cut out the crap and be done with it. Really this is why we have this fucking problem to begin with because of the "My god is better than your god" shit. It's like the kid on the playground telling the other kid his dad is tougher than his dad and bam you got a fight. 
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Posted: 10/8/2005 11:04:16 PM EDT
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NYP - i posted too quick.
Sorry - I'll look up the correct Sura tommorow. I should have been a bit more civil. and not so quick to anger.
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Posted: 10/8/2005 11:07:08 PM EDT
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[9:14] You shall fight them, for GOD will punish them at your hands, humiliate them, grant you victory over them, and cool the chests of the believers.
5:33] The just retribution for those who fight GOD and His messenger, and commit horrendous crimes, is to be killed, or crucified, or to have their hands and feet cut off on alternate sides, or to be banished from the land. This is to humiliate them in this life, then they suffer a far worse retribution in the Hereafter. 2:191 And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith. I have been researching the Qu'ran for quite some time now. It is filled with so much hate. Religion of peace, my aunt fannie.  It not only disturbs me that this book has control over so many. But so many believe that it is filled with peace, love, and allah's message. That these things they are justified in Allah's name.  The entire book is based on ego and self justification. Psychologically speaking, this man had severe problems. |
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Posted: 10/8/2005 11:07:32 PM EDT
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All that I can say about that is ;
We ar all prolly gonna die. thaz it. |
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Posted: 10/8/2005 11:08:40 PM EDT
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And you know there is. Both sides do this bullshit. It's simply fucking stupid. When neither side has a full understanding of the other. Because to do so would be pretty much the worst sin you could commit to follow a false god. |
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Posted: 10/8/2005 11:12:36 PM EDT
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Allah Akbar. Death to the infedels.
 Bacon sandwiches for everyone.
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Posted: 10/8/2005 11:15:09 PM EDT
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OlyArms, you miss my point. This is isn't about a pissing contest, it's about the fact that Islam is incompatable with liberty, religious freedom, individualism, secular government, and just about any other Western ideal that you or I can think of.
Christianity & Judaism have experienced reformations that have made them compatible with modern society. Islam has not, and unless it does, it will forever pose a threat to Western civilization. We're faced with a battle of ideologies OlyArms, & I'm not as ashamed to admit that I choose our paradigm over theirs! |
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Posted: 10/8/2005 11:16:34 PM EDT
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I believe the difference between the Bible and the Qu'ran is muslims still practice these sick things.
I don't see christians running around saying "I kill thee in the name of God" or whatever,.... Christians have learned and come farther thanks to the NT and Christ, among other things. You can't expect a person to discount these things and not to compare when the war is on, and terrorists keep repeating how it is,... "all in the name of Allah". If not nothing else,perhaps it is a way for some to understand why terrorists are so f'd up. |
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Posted: 10/8/2005 11:19:48 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/8/2005 11:26:31 PM EDT
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mickdk2, please respect my wishes & delete or edit your comments, as they are likely a CoC violation that will result in this thread being locked.
Thank you. Mods... if he does not remove his post, do it for him, but please don't lock this thread. He is an obvious troll. Thanks. Edit: Two IMs' sent to mickdk2 asking him to amend his post. |
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Posted: 10/8/2005 11:26:47 PM EDT
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I see your point but points will always be made on both sides. I mean for one who the hell are we to make scripture the word of god modern. Who are we to change its context to fit our lives. The reason this has happened (in my eyes) is simply to better our lives because living under fear of being burnt at the stake is never fun but at the same time you still find many wrongs in it. The Bible and Qua ran are very complex books and faults can be found in both by the thousands. Man is fallible and all said in done each are man made. If you want a modern Muslim find an American muslim, and not an extremist because yes we do have a few on our shore. But one who practices his or her beliefs around western society. You will find they are like any one else. Simply a few different beliefs same as with the Jews and Christians but in American we have learned to live with each other. We are a melting pot of diversity and this is one of the only things our country has left going for it. I know a few Muslims and they are very giving and kind people. Now of course they belive I am not going to go to heaven do to not believing in their god but they still have me as a friend on this earth. But I do piss them off sometimes because I like to fuck with them But you can goto Norther Ireland to see Christians battle it out like savages. Also I know damn well many in the middle east want us dead. But I do not feel religion plays a key role but instead corrupt dictators who have used this religion to piggy back their own ideals about western life to keep the populace in line. When government is teaching children fundamentals of a religion you have a problem and this is exactly what is happening in the Middle east. The religion has been hijacked. |
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Posted: 10/8/2005 11:39:17 PM EDT
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I know that militant islam is our enemy and we should be very open about that which the US is not.
I do know not ALL muslims are evil and bad and full of hate. How?? My Mother in law, brother in law, sister in law are all very loving and wonderful people and detest the militants just as much as me. |
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Posted: 10/8/2005 11:48:50 PM EDT
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OlyArms, it staggers my mind that you could read what the Koran actually teaches & still say...
... with a straight face, because it's all right there in black & white... the intolerance, the arrogance, the calls to violence & warfare, the justification of opression & discrimination, the exaltation of the brutal over the spiritual part of human nature.  Open your eyes... what we (Westerners) find abhorrent about Islam (the violence & intolerance) is not some perversion, distortion, or miscomminication of its tenets; it is the generally accepted text and doctrine of the entire faith!!! Dude, read my sig line because it's the absolute truth! Check with any good Muslim dictionary and "submission" will be the definition of "Islam". Redefining the word Islam is an attempt to deceive people about the real nature of Islam. Don't fall for the big lie OlyArms! |
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Posted: 10/8/2005 11:49:06 PM EDT
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Agree 100% |
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Posted: 10/8/2005 11:52:27 PM EDT
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The Bible teaches nearly the same, but as you have said we no longer follow it as we did in the 14th century, we no longer burn no belivers or stone queers. Also it has been hijacked, it is no longer a religion for these middle east shit holes, its a form of control. And it is far mightier than any bullet. The same shit happened to Chrisitians in the days of the Monarchs, it was a way to keep control for the goverment while using the face of god. However with time the religion has evolved. |
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