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Posted: 10/7/2005 9:02:02 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/8/2005 10:45:21 PM EDT by NYPatriot]
... as quoted directly from the Holy Koran:


“The only true faith in God's sight is Islam.” (Koran, 3:19)



“This Book is not to be doubted. . . . As for the unbelievers, it is the same whether or not you forewarn them; they will not have faith. God has set a seal upon their hearts and ears; their sight is dimmed and grievous punishment awaits them.” (Koran, 2:2-6)



"O Prophet! Make war against the unbelievers [all non-Muslims] and the hypocrites and be merciless against them. Their home is hell, an evil refuge indeed." (Koran, 9:73)



"Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it." (Koran, 2:216)



"Remember Allah inspired the angels: I am with you. Give firmness to the believers. I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: you smite them above their necks and smite all their fingertips off of them." (Koran, 8:12)



"In order that Allah may separate the pure from the impure, put all the impure ones [all non-Muslims] one on top of another in a heap and cast them into hell. They will have been the ones to have lost." (Koran, 8:37)



God's curse be upon the infidels! Evil is that for which they have bartered away their souls. To deny God's own revelation, grudging that He should reveal His bounty to whom He chooses from among His servants! They have incurred God's most inexorable wrath. An ignominious punishment awaits the unbelievers. (Koran, 2:92-6)



"Fight against such as those to whom the Scriptures were given [Jews and Christians]...until they pay tribute out of hand and are utterly subdued." (Koran, 9:29)



"The Jews and Christians say: 'We are the children of God and His loved ones.' Say: 'Why then does He punish you for your sins?" (Koran, 5:18)



"Say: 'Praise be to God who has never begotten a son; who has no partner in His Kingdom..." (Koran, 17:111)



"Believers, do not make friends with any but your own people...They desire nothing but your ruin....You believe in the entire Book...When they meet you they say: 'We, too, are believers.' But when alone, they bite their finger-tips with rage." (Koran, 3:118, 119)



"Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends." (Koran, 5:51)



"Slay them wherever you find them...Idolatry is worse than carnage...Fight against them until idolatry is no more and God's religion reigns supreme." (Koran, 2:190)



This is the LAST installment of my "true nature of Islam" lecture series. Much thanks to all who have attended, and as always, please keep discussion of this topic within the boundaries of AR15.com's code of conduct.

NYP

Link Posted: 10/7/2005 9:03:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/7/2005 9:03:59 PM EDT by Zaphod]

Originally Posted By NYPatriot:


“This Book is not to be doubted. . . .





You wanna fucking bet, toecheese?
Link Posted: 10/7/2005 9:12:34 PM EDT
Those people have no lives, book was written for tent people nomadic tribes, they could not compete with the civilized world back then and the failed Islamic states today cannot either, bunch of religious BULLSHIT.....
Link Posted: 10/7/2005 9:20:16 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/7/2005 9:22:34 PM EDT

"It will be more easy to raise ships and men to fight these pirates into reason, than money to bribe them."


Link Posted: 10/7/2005 9:24:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/7/2005 9:25:06 PM EDT by NYPatriot]

Originally Posted By The_Macallan:
"It will be more easy to raise ships and men to fight these pirates into reason, than money to bribe them."



Ah yes... my boy TJ!
Link Posted: 10/8/2005 8:55:46 AM EDT
Bump for the infidels on the day shift!
Link Posted: 10/8/2005 9:00:20 AM EDT

Originally Posted By NYPatriot:
Bump for the infidels on the day shift!



hey, that's me!
Link Posted: 10/8/2005 9:06:28 AM EDT


"Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it." (Koran, 2:216)



yeah, it's obvious they dislike it.

Link Posted: 10/8/2005 9:10:10 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/8/2005 9:11:45 AM EDT by pale_pony]
Slay the infidels wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush using every means of trickery and deceit until they all embrace Islam. Surah 9:5
Link Posted: 10/8/2005 9:11:33 AM EDT
IBTL

Way too good. Go post this over at DU!

Link Posted: 10/8/2005 8:43:50 PM EDT
More words of peace & tolerance from the Prophet Mohammed...


"For he who believes in the Trinity, the Fire will be his abode … a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemer." (Koran, 5:72-73)


Link Posted: 10/8/2005 8:57:42 PM EDT
The Koran is so full of crap it isn't even funny.

Honestly, the thing is full of contradictions and factual errors!

Most of the time it just reads like one man's rant against the world and everyone he hates.
Link Posted: 10/8/2005 9:07:31 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/8/2005 9:08:05 PM EDT by NYPatriot]

Originally Posted By 1Andy2:
The Koran is so full of crap it isn't even funny.

Honestly, the thing is full of contradictions and factual errors!

Most of the time it just reads like one man's rant against the world and everyone he hates.



Andy, the experts agree with you...


"The Koran claims for itself that it is "mubeen," or clear. But if you look at it, you will notice that every fifth sentence or so simply doesnt make sense. Many Muslims and Orientalists will tell you otherwise, of course, but the fact is that a fifth of the Koranic text is just incomprehensible."

Gerd-R. Puin, specialist in Arabic calligraphy and Koranic paleography based at Saarland University



Link Posted: 10/8/2005 9:09:08 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/8/2005 9:30:09 PM EDT by juslearnin]
To me one of the greatest arguments against Islam, and for Christianity is the outcome of a society which has been founded on the principles of each. Show me a nation which is founded on the principles of Islam which respects life and liberty, which believes in religious freedom and the value of the individual. These concepts are present in our society because they had their root in our founding fathers' beliefs. These concepts have made our nation the most envied in the world. Yes, they may hate us, but I believe it is a hatred rooted in jealousy. I'd be willing to bet almost any militant muslim in the world would love to have the lifestyle we enjoy in the US today.

As an aside, exposing the true nature of Islam has nothing to do with hating those who are influenced by it. The true Christian perspective holds that all men are sinners and are in need of a savior. A person who understands and believes in Christianity understands that his own sinfulness is just as real as every other person's.
Link Posted: 10/8/2005 9:16:16 PM EDT
NY patriot evrytime you seem to post one of these threads . It seems that eventually it seems to get locked. I agree that the koran is a book of hate. I don't want too say much more because I don't want to be the reason it gets locked.But keep posting them
Link Posted: 10/8/2005 9:21:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/8/2005 9:22:32 PM EDT by NYPatriot]

Originally Posted By TheTracker:
NY patriot evrytime you seem to post one of these threads . It seems that eventually it seems to get locked. I agree that the koran is a book of hate. I don't want too say much more because I don't want to be the reason it gets locked.But keep posting them



Actually only one of my nine "true nature of Islam" threads wound up getting locked, so give credit where credit is due: the Staff & Mods. have generally shown good judgement & restraint in regards to this lecture series.
Link Posted: 10/8/2005 9:23:29 PM EDT
Sorry I thought it was more .
Link Posted: 10/8/2005 9:23:29 PM EDT
Infidel tag
Link Posted: 10/8/2005 9:28:41 PM EDT
Seems to me it was writen by some hot headed liberal over at DU than a prophet. It makes little to no sense and just seems to point a finger of blame at the Jews and Christians.

It's almost like someone at DU saying "Don't deal with anybody that's a Republican or Libertarian, they're EVIL, everything is their fault."

It has to many contradictions and factual errors as 1Andy2 said.
Link Posted: 10/8/2005 9:29:10 PM EDT

Originally Posted By SoCalJBT:
Infidel tag



Hey...can we say the "I" word. I had thought some creative interpretations, by those in power, of the dreaded "I" word had it abolished for use.
Link Posted: 10/8/2005 9:33:22 PM EDT
tag
Link Posted: 10/8/2005 9:34:03 PM EDT
Excellent series sir!
Link Posted: 10/8/2005 9:37:32 PM EDT
Those lines do exist in the qoran and are often used to justify "jihad"(HOLY war, yes as meaning using islam to justify the cause). I've seen a few of them quoted elsewhere.
Link Posted: 10/8/2005 9:42:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/8/2005 9:43:53 PM EDT by NYPatriot]
Our resident apologists for Islam are strangely absent from this installment of the series.

I wonder why???
Link Posted: 10/8/2005 9:55:30 PM EDT
One of my friends bought himself a copy of the Koran, saying "know thy enemy". While he was reading it he went around campus yelling random verses at the top of his lungs like he was crazy. Which he is, but that's beside the point.

When he was done, he said he'd keep the relevent pages for arguing against islam and use the rest when he ran out of 2-ply.

*sniff*

I love it when your little converts grow up. First guns, then politics, then tv shows and movies, and now religion. Pretty soon I'll have enough people to start a personality cult around me.
Link Posted: 10/8/2005 10:07:10 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/8/2005 11:02:06 PM EDT by thedoctors308]

Originally Posted By NYPatriot:
Our resident apologists for Islam are strangely absent from this installment of the series.

I wonder why???



Some of us have lives outside of the internet.

edited until i got time tommorow to look up the correct sura.
You may very well be correct.

ETA: I got no problem saying that radical islam is the enemy, but don't be so quick to believe your own propaganda about all muslims being evil, hell spawns - you begin to sound like an Al-qaeda spokesman.
Link Posted: 10/8/2005 10:14:29 PM EDT
I wonder if somewhere, there's a bunch of ROP'ers sitting around a camp fire, talking about how the Bible contradicts itself and picking out passages that make christians look bad.
Link Posted: 10/8/2005 10:19:17 PM EDT

Originally Posted By SoCalJBT:
Infidel tag





+1
Link Posted: 10/8/2005 10:24:25 PM EDT
The problem with the Koran is its language and the spin of the translators who transpose it to other languages.

One cannot do a literal translation BUT there is a little clue into what translations have excess "spin". That would be seeing excessive use of the PBUTH acronym spalttered about the translation like pidgeon poop on a NYC sidewalk.

I think I will stick with the NYPatriot's translations as being most accurate. You see, the translation of the Koran into any other language is itself a greivous sin in Islam. Why? Because they don't want the message changed...but because indoctrination by learning Arabic virtually eliminates those "infidel spies".

Insha Yeshua!


(Christ over all!)
Link Posted: 10/8/2005 10:28:23 PM EDT
tag
Link Posted: 10/8/2005 10:44:08 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/8/2005 10:48:12 PM EDT by NYPatriot]

Originally Posted By thedoctors308:

Originally Posted By NYPatriot:
Our resident apologists for Islam are strangely absent from this installment of the series.

I wonder why???



Some of us have lives outside of the internet.

But you're a fucking liar good buddy.

You're post says that Sura 9:27 reads as follows: Fight against such as those to whom the Scriptures were given [Jews and Christians]...until they pay tribute out of hand and are utterly subdued.


That sounded off to me, so I dusted off my copy (yes I have a copy of the Quran, one must understand the enemy to defeat him)

[9:27] Ultimately, GOD redeems whomever He wills. GOD is Forgiver, Most Merciful.

Sounds like one of us has a bad source.

ETA: I got no problem saying that radical islam is the enemy, but don't be so quick to believe your own propaganda about all muslims being evil, hell spawns - you begin to sound like an Al-qaeda spokesman.



Wow... you got me big guy. Guilty as charged. The quote "Fight against such as those to whom the Scriptures were given [Jews and Christians]...until they pay tribute out of hand and are utterly subdued" is not Sura 9:27, but Sura 9:29!!!

Happy now?

Link Posted: 10/8/2005 10:47:52 PM EDT

Originally Posted By juslearnin:
To me one of the greatest arguments against Islam, and for Christianity is the outcome of a society which has been founded on the principles of each. Show me a nation which is founded on the principles of Islam which respects life and liberty, which believes in religious freedom and the value of the individual. These concepts are present in our society because they had their root in our founding fathers' beliefs. These concepts have made our nation the most envied in the world. Yes, they may hate us, but I believe it is a hatred rooted in jealousy. I'd be willing to bet almost any militant muslim in the world would love to have the lifestyle we enjoy in the US today.

As an aside, exposing the true nature of Islam has nothing to do with hating those who are influenced by it. The true Christian perspective holds that all men are sinners and are in need of a savior. A person who understands and believes in Christianity understands that his own sinfulness is just as real as every other person's.


Go look at Europe from the 6th century all the way to the 15th, and see if you still hold that opinion.
Link Posted: 10/8/2005 10:51:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/8/2005 10:59:13 PM EDT by MrClean4Hire]

Originally Posted By NYPatriot:

Originally Posted By thedoctors308:

Originally Posted By NYPatriot:
Our resident apologists for Islam are strangely absent from this installment of the series.

I wonder why???



Some of us have lives outside of the internet.

But you're a fucking liar good buddy.

You're post says that Sura 9:27 reads as follows: Fight against such as those to whom the Scriptures were given [Jews and Christians]...until they pay tribute out of hand and are utterly subdued.


That sounded off to me, so I dusted off my copy (yes I have a copy of the Quran, one must understand the enemy to defeat him)

[9:27] Ultimately, GOD redeems whomever He wills. GOD is Forgiver, Most Merciful.

Sounds like one of us has a bad source.

ETA: I got no problem saying that radical islam is the enemy, but don't be so quick to believe your own propaganda about all muslims being evil, hell spawns - you begin to sound like an Al-qaeda spokesman.



Wow... you got me big guy. Guilty as charged. The quote "Fight against such as those to whom the Scriptures were given [Jews and Christians]...until they pay tribute out of hand and are utterly subdued" is not Sura 9:27, but Sura 9:29!!!

Happy now?




Which one is right? Ok, I'll be nice
Link Posted: 10/8/2005 10:51:31 PM EDT

Originally Posted By p331083:

Originally Posted By juslearnin:
To me one of the greatest arguments against Islam, and for Christianity is the outcome of a society which has been founded on the principles of each. Show me a nation which is founded on the principles of Islam which respects life and liberty, which believes in religious freedom and the value of the individual. These concepts are present in our society because they had their root in our founding fathers' beliefs. These concepts have made our nation the most envied in the world. Yes, they may hate us, but I believe it is a hatred rooted in jealousy. I'd be willing to bet almost any militant muslim in the world would love to have the lifestyle we enjoy in the US today.

As an aside, exposing the true nature of Islam has nothing to do with hating those who are influenced by it. The true Christian perspective holds that all men are sinners and are in need of a savior. A person who understands and believes in Christianity understands that his own sinfulness is just as real as every other person's.


Go look at Europe from the 6th century all the way to the 15th, and see if you still hold that opinion.



The Moors invaded Spain before the start of the Crusades. And had it not been for a few crafty Romainians keeping the Islamic hordes out of Europe, it would have been a multiple prong attack.

Link Posted: 10/8/2005 11:01:45 PM EDT

Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel.



You should not let a sorceress live.



A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death.



Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death.



All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense.



If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death.



A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death.



Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed



They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.



If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through.



Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him."




If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst.



So God let them go ahead and do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other's bodies. Instead of believing what they knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies. So they worshiped the things God made but not the Creator himself, who is to be praised forever. Amen. That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men and, as a result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly deserved. When they refused to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their evil minds and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, fighting, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They are forever inventing new ways of sinning and are disobedient to their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, and are heartless and unforgiving. They are fully aware of God's death penalty for those who do these things, yet they go right ahead and do them anyway. And, worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too.



And lets us not forget to not work on the sabbath or we shall die !!

The LORD then gave these further instructions to Moses: 'Tell the people of Israel to keep my Sabbath day, for the Sabbath is a sign of the covenant between me and you forever. It helps you to remember that I am the LORD, who makes you holy. Yes, keep the Sabbath day, for it is holy. Anyone who desecrates it must die; anyone who works on that day will be cut off from the community. Work six days only, but the seventh day must be a day of total rest. I repeat: Because the LORD considers it a holy day, anyone who works on the Sabbath must be put to death.




The book of God, The holly bible.

See how easy is to make a book into something evil. So lets quit it. The bible is ruthless just as any book of its days. It talks of killing the children and wifes of "infidels" and so on. So lets just cut out the crap and be done with it.

Really this is why we have this fucking problem to begin with because of the "My god is better than your god" shit. It's like the kid on the playground telling the other kid his dad is tougher than his dad and bam you got a fight.
Link Posted: 10/8/2005 11:04:16 PM EDT
NYP - i posted too quick.
Sorry - I'll look up the correct Sura tommorow.
I should have been a bit more civil. and not so quick to anger.
Link Posted: 10/8/2005 11:07:08 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/8/2005 11:10:19 PM EDT by Joyce]
[9:14] You shall fight them, for GOD will punish them at your hands, humiliate them, grant you victory over them, and cool the chests of the believers.
5:33] The just retribution for those who fight GOD and His messenger, and commit horrendous crimes, is to be killed, or crucified, or to have their hands and feet cut off on alternate sides, or to be banished from the land. This is to humiliate them in this life, then they suffer a far worse retribution in the Hereafter.
2:191 And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith.


I have been researching the Qu'ran for quite some time now. It is filled with so much hate. Religion of peace, my aunt fannie.
It not only disturbs me that this book has control over so many. But so many believe that it is filled with peace, love, and allah's message. That these things they are justified in Allah's name.

The entire book is based on ego and self justification.
Psychologically speaking, this man had severe problems.



Link Posted: 10/8/2005 11:07:32 PM EDT
All that I can say about that is ;
We ar all prolly gonna die. thaz it.
Link Posted: 10/8/2005 11:08:40 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Daytona955i:
I wonder if somewhere, there's a bunch of ROP'ers sitting around a camp fire, talking about how the Bible contradicts itself and picking out passages that make christians look bad.


And you know there is. Both sides do this bullshit. It's simply fucking stupid. When neither side has a full understanding of the other. Because to do so would be pretty much the worst sin you could commit to follow a false god.
Link Posted: 10/8/2005 11:12:36 PM EDT
Allah Akbar. Death to the infedels. Bacon sandwiches for everyone.

Link Posted: 10/8/2005 11:15:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/8/2005 11:21:09 PM EDT by NYPatriot]
OlyArms, you miss my point. This is isn't about a pissing contest, it's about the fact that Islam is incompatable with liberty, religious freedom, individualism, secular government, and just about any other Western ideal that you or I can think of.

Christianity & Judaism have experienced reformations that have made them compatible with modern society. Islam has not, and unless it does, it will forever pose a threat to Western civilization.

We're faced with a battle of ideologies OlyArms, & I'm not as ashamed to admit that I choose our paradigm over theirs!
Link Posted: 10/8/2005 11:16:34 PM EDT
I believe the difference between the Bible and the Qu'ran is muslims still practice these sick things.
I don't see christians running around saying "I kill thee in the name of God" or whatever,....
Christians have learned and come farther thanks to the NT and Christ, among other things.

You can't expect a person to discount these things and not to compare when the war is on, and terrorists keep repeating how it is,... "all in the name of Allah".
If not nothing else,perhaps it is a way for some to understand why terrorists are so f'd up.
Link Posted: 10/8/2005 11:19:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/11/2005 3:54:24 PM EDT by mickdk2]
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Link Posted: 10/8/2005 11:26:31 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/8/2005 11:41:47 PM EDT by NYPatriot]
mickdk2, please respect my wishes & delete or edit your comments, as they are likely a CoC violation that will result in this thread being locked.

Thank you.

Mods... if he does not remove his post, do it for him, but please don't lock this thread. He is an obvious troll.

Thanks.


Edit: Two IMs' sent to mickdk2 asking him to amend his post.
Link Posted: 10/8/2005 11:26:47 PM EDT

Originally Posted By NYPatriot:
OlyArms, you miss my point. This is isn't about a pissing contest friend, it's about the fact that Islam is incompatable with liberty, religious freedom, individualism, secular government, and just about any other Western ideal that you or I can think of.

Christianity & Judaism have experienced reformations that have made them compatible with modern society. Islam has not, and unless it does, it will forever pose a threat to Western civilization.

We're faced with a battle of ideologies OlyArms, & I'm not as ashamed to admit that I choose our paradigm over theirs!


I see your point but points will always be made on both sides. I mean for one who the hell are we to make scripture the word of god modern. Who are we to change its context to fit our lives.

The reason this has happened (in my eyes) is simply to better our lives because living under fear of being burnt at the stake is never fun but at the same time you still find many wrongs in it. The Bible and Qua ran are very complex books and faults can be found in both by the thousands. Man is fallible and all said in done each are man made.

If you want a modern Muslim find an American muslim, and not an extremist because yes we do have a few on our shore. But one who practices his or her beliefs around western society. You will find they are like any one else. Simply a few different beliefs same as with the Jews and Christians but in American we have learned to live with each other. We are a melting pot of diversity and this is one of the only things our country has left going for it.

I know a few Muslims and they are very giving and kind people. Now of course they belive I am not going to go to heaven do to not believing in their god but they still have me as a friend on this earth.

But I do piss them off sometimes because I like to fuck with them

But you can goto Norther Ireland to see Christians battle it out like savages.

Also I know damn well many in the middle east want us dead. But I do not feel religion plays a key role but instead corrupt dictators who have used this religion to piggy back their own ideals about western life to keep the populace in line. When government is teaching children fundamentals of a religion you have a problem and this is exactly what is happening in the Middle east. The religion has been hijacked.
Link Posted: 10/8/2005 11:39:17 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/8/2005 11:48:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/9/2005 12:26:52 AM EDT by NYPatriot]
OlyArms, it staggers my mind that you could read what the Koran actually teaches & still say...


The religion has been hijacked.


... with a straight face, because it's all right there in black & white... the intolerance, the arrogance, the calls to violence & warfare, the justification of opression & discrimination, the exaltation of the brutal over the spiritual part of human nature.

Open your eyes... what we (Westerners) find abhorrent about Islam (the violence & intolerance) is not some perversion, distortion, or miscomminication of its tenets; it is the generally accepted text and doctrine of the entire faith!!!

Dude, read my sig line because it's the absolute truth! Check with any good Muslim dictionary and "submission" will be the definition of "Islam". Redefining the word Islam is an attempt to deceive people about the real nature of Islam.

Don't fall for the big lie OlyArms!
Link Posted: 10/8/2005 11:49:06 PM EDT

Originally Posted By sherrick13:
I know that militant islam is our enemy and we should be very open about that which the US is not.
I do know not ALL muslims are evil and bad and full of hate.

How??

My Mother in law, brother in law, sister in law are all very loving and wonderful people and detest the militants just as much as me.


Agree 100%
Link Posted: 10/8/2005 11:52:27 PM EDT

Originally Posted By NYPatriot:
OlyArms, it staggers my mind that you could read what the Koran actually teaches & then say...


The religion has been hijacked.


... with a straight face.



The Bible teaches nearly the same, but as you have said we no longer follow it as we did in the 14th century, we no longer burn no belivers or stone queers.

Also it has been hijacked, it is no longer a religion for these middle east shit holes, its a form of control. And it is far mightier than any bullet.

The same shit happened to Chrisitians in the days of the Monarchs, it was a way to keep control for the goverment while using the face of god. However with time the religion has evolved.
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