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Posted: 10/20/2016 6:19:01 PM EDT
Tell me your reasons why.
Poll will happen, but the reasons are more important. ETA: Whether one is harder to make then the other doesn't mean it's better you fucking retards.  |
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Posted: 10/20/2016 6:19:40 PM EDT
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trashcans are pretty easy to produce.
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Posted: 10/20/2016 6:20:51 PM EDT
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Infrastructure to build AR's in quantity already exists. That's that.
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Posted: 10/20/2016 6:20:56 PM EDT
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By "produce" do you mean how easily can I grab one or the other and put it to use?
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Posted: 10/20/2016 6:21:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: trashcans are pretty easy to produce. Polymer ones... |
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Posted: 10/20/2016 6:22:03 PM EDT
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AK
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Posted: 10/20/2016 6:22:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: By "produce" do you mean how easily can I grab one or the other and put it to use? As in manufacturing. |
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Posted: 10/20/2016 6:22:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Infrastructure to build AR's in quantity already exists. That's that. We are friends now. |
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Posted: 10/20/2016 6:22:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: AR We are friends now. |
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Posted: 10/20/2016 6:22:42 PM EDT
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What are you nuts?
With modern cnc machines everywhere producing AR parts is so easy that any machine shop can do it and so they do. AKs require a different generation of machine tools and a skill set that is kinda hard to come by in this country. Otherwise we would have more than a handful of quality AK builders. Most of whom use foreign parts. Weak trolling. |
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Posted: 10/20/2016 6:22:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Infrastructure to build AR's in quantity already exists. That's that. |
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Posted: 10/20/2016 6:25:21 PM EDT
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You can pump AR's out fairly easily with robotic machinery.
The AK relies on cheap labor and hand assembly to work properly that cannot be easily reproduced on robotic machinery. You cannot hire people cheap enough to make an AK properly in the US. It's the same reason why the best off of the shelf 1911's under 1k come from the Philippines and China. 
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Posted: 10/20/2016 6:25:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What are you nuts? With modern cnc machines everywhere producing AR parts is so easy that any machine shop can do it and so they do. AKs require a different generation of machine tools and a skill set that is kinda hard to come by in this country. Otherwise we would have more than a handful of quality AK builders. Most of whom use foreign parts. Weak trolling. You misunderstand why I made this thread. Despite being right, you should choke yourself. ETA: We are not friends. Since you jump to conclusions, I'm putting you with the AK crowd. |
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Posted: 10/20/2016 6:25:48 PM EDT
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What are you implying, that an AK takes more skill to manufacture in the US, therefore it must be better?
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Posted: 10/20/2016 6:26:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What are you implying, that an AK takes more skill to manufacture in the US, therefore it must be better? No, don't be fuckin stupid. |
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Posted: 10/20/2016 6:26:50 PM EDT
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What are you implying, that an AK takes more skill to manufacture in the US, therefore it must be better? No, the AK requires more human labor to produce, not skill. 
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Posted: 10/20/2016 6:27:01 PM EDT
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trashcans are pretty easy to produce. You start with an AK parts kit, I'll start with 5 AR parts kits, and let's see who finishes first.
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Posted: 10/20/2016 6:27:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You can pump AR's out fairly easily with robotic machinery. The AK relies on cheap labor and hand assembly to work properly that cannot be easily reproduced on robotic machinery. You cannot hire people cheap enough to make an AK properly in the US. It's the same reason why the best off of the shelf 1911's under 1k come from the Philippines and China. We can be friends. |
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Posted: 10/20/2016 6:29:11 PM EDT
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You misunderstand why I made this thread. Despite being right, you should choke yourself. ETA: We are not friends. Since you jump to conclusions, I'm putting you with the AK crowd. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What are you nuts? With modern cnc machines everywhere producing AR parts is so easy that any machine shop can do it and so they do. AKs require a different generation of machine tools and a skill set that is kinda hard to come by in this country. Otherwise we would have more than a handful of quality AK builders. Most of whom use foreign parts. Weak trolling. You misunderstand why I made this thread. Despite being right, you should choke yourself. ETA: We are not friends. Since you jump to conclusions, I'm putting you with the AK crowd. Rofl, AR is easier, abundance of materials and machines to produce them at a nearly autonomous level. Not to mention ARs are better than AKs so there are more companies capitalizing on producing ARs. I would pick a Ferrari over a Honda any day especially when that Ferrari is cheaper than the civic. ETA: there is a reason this site is AR15.com and not AK.com |
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Posted: 10/20/2016 6:30:23 PM EDT
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I actually agree with Smiley about the AK's, for instance, in the original timeline they're able to make sex bots, and virtual reality is a big deal where Tommy came from. The technology to create silicon chips in any usable amount requires significant amounts of both technology and supplies, which may not actually exist in a post-apocalyptic timeline. a 1950s era supply chain I don't think could supply a modern 14nm fab, much less a decade old 200nm one. Comparatively, milling AR's is simple. You and I are friends now. 
This needs it's own thread, because yall are smoking crack if you think it's easier/cheaper to mill something than stamp it. Infrastructure is everything. There is a reason why PSA, DDI,and Rifle Dynamics struggled for years to get American made AKs. They are also more expensive then ARs. The infrastructure is here and in good numbers, just not in the way of firearms. Look at International Harvester and the M1 Garand after WW2 for example. From the other thread 
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Posted: 10/20/2016 6:32:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The infrastructure is here and in good numbers, just not in the way of firearms. Look at International Harvester and the M1 Garand after WW2 for example. From the other thread Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: You and I are friends now. This needs it's own thread, because yall are smoking crack if you think it's easier/cheaper to mill something than stamp it. Infrastructure is everything. There is a reason why PSA, DDI,and Rifle Dynamics struggled for years to get American made AKs. They are also more expensive then ARs. The infrastructure is here and in good numbers, just not in the way of firearms. Look at International Harvester and the M1 Garand after WW2 for example. From the other thread More recent examples plox. |
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Posted: 10/20/2016 6:32:23 PM EDT
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You start with an AK parts kit, I'll start with 5 AR parts kits, and let's see who finishes first. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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trashcans are pretty easy to produce. You start with an AK parts kit, I'll start with 5 AR parts kits, and let's see who finishes first. I wonder how many uppers you can get together before you can even get that clusterfuck of a flat bending die set up in a press, and then how many flats that you go through because you fucked it up as you haven't done it before.
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Posted: 10/20/2016 6:32:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Rofl, AR is easier, abundance of materials and machines to produce them at a nearly autonomous level. Not to mention ARs are better than AKs so there are more companies capitalizing on producing ARs. I would pick a Ferrari over a Honda any day especially when that Ferrari is cheaper than the civic. ETA: there is a reason this site is AR15.com and not AK.com Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: What are you nuts? With modern cnc machines everywhere producing AR parts is so easy that any machine shop can do it and so they do. AKs require a different generation of machine tools and a skill set that is kinda hard to come by in this country. Otherwise we would have more than a handful of quality AK builders. Most of whom use foreign parts. Weak trolling. You misunderstand why I made this thread. Despite being right, you should choke yourself. ETA: We are not friends. Since you jump to conclusions, I'm putting you with the AK crowd. Rofl, AR is easier, abundance of materials and machines to produce them at a nearly autonomous level. Not to mention ARs are better than AKs so there are more companies capitalizing on producing ARs. I would pick a Ferrari over a Honda any day especially when that Ferrari is cheaper than the civic. ETA: there is a reason this site is AR15.com and not AK.com We can be friends. |
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Posted: 10/20/2016 6:33:22 PM EDT
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No, the AK requires more human labor to produce, not skill. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What are you implying, that an AK takes more skill to manufacture in the US, therefore it must be better? No, the AK requires more human labor to produce, not skill. Just trolling the troll. 
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Posted: 10/20/2016 6:33:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I wonder how many uppers you can get together before you can even get that clusterfuck of a flat bending die set up in a press, and then how many flats that you go through because you fucked it up as you haven't done it before. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: trashcans are pretty easy to produce. You start with an AK parts kit, I'll start with 5 AR parts kits, and let's see who finishes first. I wonder how many uppers you can get together before you can even get that clusterfuck of a flat bending die set up in a press, and then how many flats that you go through because you fucked it up as you haven't done it before. Just take a look at ITS tactical Rifle Dynamics class. Shit takes foreeeeeeever. |
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Posted: 10/20/2016 6:34:03 PM EDT
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You misunderstand why I made this thread. Despite being right, you should choke yourself. ETA: We are not friends. Since you jump to conclusions, I'm putting you with the AK crowd. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What are you nuts? With modern cnc machines everywhere producing AR parts is so easy that any machine shop can do it and so they do. AKs require a different generation of machine tools and a skill set that is kinda hard to come by in this country. Otherwise we would have more than a handful of quality AK builders. Most of whom use foreign parts. Weak trolling. You misunderstand why I made this thread. Despite being right, you should choke yourself. ETA: We are not friends. Since you jump to conclusions, I'm putting you with the AK crowd. When I asked if you were nuts I suppose your avatar should have answered that question. |
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Posted: 10/20/2016 6:34:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just trolling the troll. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: What are you implying, that an AK takes more skill to manufacture in the US, therefore it must be better? No, the AK requires more human labor to produce, not skill. Just trolling the troll. We are not friends. |
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Posted: 10/20/2016 6:34:29 PM EDT
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With modern CNC machines to crank out receivers, the AR is easier because the final assembly process is much easier. No welding, riveting, or pressing barrels into trunnions, etc.
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Posted: 10/20/2016 6:34:39 PM EDT
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Minimum Equipment needed to manufacture an AR from Scratch: Mill, Lathe, a rifling machine.
Minimum Equipment needed to manufacture a milled AK from Scratch: Mill, Lathe, rifling machine, a welder. Minimum Equipment needed to manufacture a pressed AK from Scratch: Mill, Lathe, rifling machine, a welder, a press and tooling. *Yes, I know I ignored manufacturing the screws, springs,o rings, etc. |
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Posted: 10/20/2016 6:35:02 PM EDT
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AR
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Posted: 10/20/2016 6:36:05 PM EDT
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It depends upon your definition of "manufacture".
Most people could assemble an AR from individual parts on their kitchen table with basic hand tools. Most people wouldn't be able to do that with an AK. |
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Posted: 10/20/2016 6:36:10 PM EDT
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Sorry, changed title to match poll.
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Posted: 10/20/2016 6:36:41 PM EDT
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Minimum Equipment needed to manufacture an AR from Scratch: Mill, Lathe, a rifling machine. Minimum Equipment needed to manufacture a milled AK from Scratch: Mill, Lathe, rifling machine, a welder. Minimum Equipment needed to manufacture a pressed AK from Scratch: Mill, Lathe, rifling machine, a welder, a press and tooling. *Yes, I know I ignored manufacturing the screws, springs,o rings, etc. Screws and o-rings are cheap in bulk and readily available. |
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Posted: 10/20/2016 6:37:30 PM EDT
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Just take a look at ITS tactical Rifle Dynamics class. Shit takes foreeeeeeever. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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trashcans are pretty easy to produce. You start with an AK parts kit, I'll start with 5 AR parts kits, and let's see who finishes first. I wonder how many uppers you can get together before you can even get that clusterfuck of a flat bending die set up in a press, and then how many flats that you go through because you fucked it up as you haven't done it before. Just take a look at ITS tactical Rifle Dynamics class. Shit takes foreeeeeeever. And then you get to spot weld the BCG rails onto that maybe square flat that you just "made", hoping beyond hope that you got everything in the jig right, and not fuck that up, too. 
I imagine everything after that is gravy press work, though.
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Posted: 10/20/2016 6:37:42 PM EDT
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Poll question and thread title question dont jive. Thread is AIDS.
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Posted: 10/20/2016 6:37:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When I asked if you were nuts I suppose your avatar should have answered that question. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: What are you nuts? With modern cnc machines everywhere producing AR parts is so easy that any machine shop can do it and so they do. AKs require a different generation of machine tools and a skill set that is kinda hard to come by in this country. Otherwise we would have more than a handful of quality AK builders. Most of whom use foreign parts. Weak trolling. You misunderstand why I made this thread. Despite being right, you should choke yourself. ETA: We are not friends. Since you jump to conclusions, I'm putting you with the AK crowd. When I asked if you were nuts I suppose your avatar should have answered that question. If we weren't a little nuts, we wouldn't be here in the GD forum. |
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Posted: 10/20/2016 6:38:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Poll question and thread title question dont jive. Thread is AIDS. False. |
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Posted: 10/20/2016 6:38:54 PM EDT
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Screws and o-rings are cheap in bulk and readily available. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Minimum Equipment needed to manufacture an AR from Scratch: Mill, Lathe, a rifling machine. Minimum Equipment needed to manufacture a milled AK from Scratch: Mill, Lathe, rifling machine, a welder. Minimum Equipment needed to manufacture a pressed AK from Scratch: Mill, Lathe, rifling machine, a welder, a press and tooling. *Yes, I know I ignored manufacturing the screws, springs,o rings, etc. Screws and o-rings are cheap in bulk and readily available. I said from scratch, making your own o rings would require some serious work, and making your own screws is a pain in the ass. |
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Posted: 10/20/2016 6:39:35 PM EDT
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With modern CNC machines to crank out receivers, the AR is easier because the final assembly process is much easier. No welding, riveting, or pressing barrels into trunnions, etc. They make CNC's that also weld, rivet and press stuff |
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Posted: 10/20/2016 6:39:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: False. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Poll question and thread title question dont jive. Thread is AIDS. False. |
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Posted: 10/20/2016 6:40:25 PM EDT
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If you picked AK you don't know how to make stuff.
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Posted: 10/20/2016 6:40:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And then you get to spot weld the BCG rails onto that maybe square flat that you just "made", hoping beyond hope that you got everything in the jig right, and not fuck that up, too. I imagine everything after that is gravy press work, though. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: You start with an AK parts kit, I'll start with 5 AR parts kits, and let's see who finishes first. I wonder how many uppers you can get together before you can even get that clusterfuck of a flat bending die set up in a press, and then how many flats that you go through because you fucked it up as you haven't done it before. Just take a look at ITS tactical Rifle Dynamics class. Shit takes foreeeeeeever. And then you get to spot weld the BCG rails onto that maybe square flat that you just "made", hoping beyond hope that you got everything in the jig right, and not fuck that up, too. I imagine everything after that is gravy press work, though. I see you may be speaking from experience I wanted to try my hand at it, but parts kits make it cost prohibitive. |
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Posted: 10/20/2016 6:40:51 PM EDT
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They make CNC's that also weld, rivet and press stuff Quote HistoryQuoted:
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With modern CNC machines to crank out receivers, the AR is easier because the final assembly process is much easier. No welding, riveting, or pressing barrels into trunnions, etc. They make CNC's that also weld, rivet and press stuff Yes, but that is more equipment. |
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Posted: 10/20/2016 6:41:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you picked AK you don't know how to make stuff. We are already friends. I made a wise choice. |
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Posted: 10/20/2016 6:41:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You edited it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Poll question and thread title question dont jive. Thread is AIDS. False. I have no idea what you are talking about. Think you're seeing things bro. |
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Posted: 10/20/2016 6:41:47 PM EDT
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Based on retail prices and quality of goods produced, the market seems to have spoken: it's the AR.
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Posted: 10/20/2016 6:42:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I said from scratch, making your own o rings would require some serious work, and making your own screws is a pain in the ass. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Minimum Equipment needed to manufacture an AR from Scratch: Mill, Lathe, a rifling machine. Minimum Equipment needed to manufacture a milled AK from Scratch: Mill, Lathe, rifling machine, a welder. Minimum Equipment needed to manufacture a pressed AK from Scratch: Mill, Lathe, rifling machine, a welder, a press and tooling. *Yes, I know I ignored manufacturing the screws, springs,o rings, etc. Screws and o-rings are cheap in bulk and readily available. I said from scratch, making your own o rings would require some serious work, and making your own screws is a pain in the ass. In a world with sex robots I would assume this would be quite easy... This is a spin off thread.  |
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Posted: 10/20/2016 6:42:53 PM EDT
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I'm a tard. I read the poll wrong. I thought you were asking which was easier to manufacture.
Are those AK trunions cast steel? That might be a harder part to manufacture. |
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Posted: 10/20/2016 6:43:37 PM EDT
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If you picked AK you don't know how to make stuff. An AK is easy to manufacture, if you have the tooling. But between manufacturing the dies and the equipment you need to finish the AK, you now have more equipment and process time than you would need to start pumping out ARs. |
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Posted: 10/20/2016 6:44:00 PM EDT
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Tribesmen in remote areas can make functional AK variants. AK of course
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Posted: 10/20/2016 6:44:41 PM EDT
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I see you may be speaking from experience
I wanted to try my hand at it, but parts kits make it cost prohibitive. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You start with an AK parts kit, I'll start with 5 AR parts kits, and let's see who finishes first. I wonder how many uppers you can get together before you can even get that clusterfuck of a flat bending die set up in a press, and then how many flats that you go through because you fucked it up as you haven't done it before. Just take a look at ITS tactical Rifle Dynamics class. Shit takes foreeeeeeever. And then you get to spot weld the BCG rails onto that maybe square flat that you just "made", hoping beyond hope that you got everything in the jig right, and not fuck that up, too.
I imagine everything after that is gravy press work, though.
I see you may be speaking from experience
I wanted to try my hand at it, but parts kits make it cost prohibitive. I won't lie, I looked into it. The cost of tools and a decent kit at the time drove me to buy a Saiga 7.62 and convert it instead. I suppose it would be more economical if you are intending to put together more than one.
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