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Posted: 10/4/2005 10:52:19 AM EDT
I was driving to work this morning and was in the process of stopping behind traffic when some lady slammed into my rear. No brakes squealing. Just BOOM! Dazed me for about a half second and pushed me a ways (since I took my foot off the break). I was driving an 04 Chrysler Sebring. She caved in my right rear bumber big time. I guess she saw me at the last second and tried to swerve. Don't know. Never saw it coming. She was probably doing 45 or better. The officer said her airbag deployed and banged up her knee some. I've got a sore neck and shoulder, but nothing big at this point.

A few months ago I hit a racoon going down a back country road in the same vehicle. Had two big racoons pop up out of the ditch just as a topped a rise. One in each lane. No chance to avoid. Did $1100 in damage on the front bumper.

I traded in my old Explorer on that Sebring. That Explorer would probably have come close to going over that racoon. I seriously doubt any damage (other than to the coon) would have occurred. Today, i would have still been damaged and shook, but the thing that kept going through my mind was what if it had been an Excursion or Expedition or Yukon or even an Explorer that kissed my rear at 45 mph?

So, the wife and I have decided we want another SUV (note: I still have an 02 Explorer my wife drives). Something with a little more metal around me. I now consider it necessary self defense from clueless people driving with cell phones, reading the paper, or putting on makeup.

I'm only getting about 24 mpg in the Sebring in traffic today. That's not that great. How much can I spend? Let's keep sticker under 40K (hopefully a lot). Once it gets out of the shop I'll have a pretty new trade in. 4WD is nice. My Explorer has it, so I don't think it is absolutely necessary on what I buy. My old Explorer was 2WD and it went just about anywhere I wanted to go as long as it was reasonably dry.

My wife wants another Explorer. I love the Explorer, but want to consider my options especially if I can eek a few more miles per gallon out of it. I drive about 65 miles per day back and forth to work.

So what's out there that I should consider?
Link Posted: 10/4/2005 10:54:26 AM EDT
Those Tahoes get amazing gas mileage for what they are.
Link Posted: 10/4/2005 10:59:57 AM EDT
If you are really set for gas mileage, check out a hybrid escape or even a lexus rx400 hybrid (athough that would probably bust your budget)
how about the new diesel liberty?

too bad we can't get the V-10 diesel VW Toureg here
Link Posted: 10/4/2005 11:09:08 AM EDT
I don't think hybrids are worth it. The price difference buys lots of gas.

But if I can get comparable features at 3 mpg better. If all I did was drive to work then that would save me about $308/year. Actually, it will be considerably more since we will probably drive the vehicle that gets the best mileage for trips to the store, relatives, etc.
Link Posted: 10/4/2005 11:22:08 AM EDT
Escape hybrid gets 26-30 mixed city/hwy "real world" driving (supposedly), and is rated at 36 city/31 hwy.

My friend's Explorer was only making high-teens city, low 20s highway. An extra 10-15 mpg actually does add up pretty quickly. Looks like the base Escape is about 20,000 and the base hybrid is about 27,000. I don't know what options the base hybrid is equipped with, so I'd like to see the numbers comparing the price difference of comparably equipped models to the gas savings.

Jim
Link Posted: 10/4/2005 11:30:02 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/4/2005 11:30:31 AM EDT by Hamel]
Mid-sized SUV -Toyota Highlander gets the best milage from a non-hybrid if IIRC
Link Posted: 10/4/2005 11:32:58 AM EDT

Originally Posted By w4klr:
Those Tahoes get amazing gas mileage for what they are.



+1. The new generation is s'posed to get 20mpg all around. Pretty impressive .
Link Posted: 10/4/2005 11:33:31 AM EDT

Originally Posted By KS_Physicist:
Escape hybrid gets 26-30 mixed city/hwy "real world" driving (supposedly), and is rated at 36 city/31 hwy.

My friend's Explorer was only making high-teens city, low 20s highway. An extra 10-15 mpg actually does add up pretty quickly. Looks like the base Escape is about 20,000 and the base hybrid is about 27,000. I don't know what options the base hybrid is equipped with, so I'd like to see the numbers comparing the price difference of comparably equipped models to the gas savings.

Jim



Gas is 2.99/gal here. That 7,000 would buy 2341 gallons of gas. Assume 26 mpg. That would be 60869 miles to the break even point. That does not take into account extra maintenance costs. That doesn't seem worth it to me.
Link Posted: 10/4/2005 11:34:03 AM EDT

Originally Posted By sixgunsblazing:
a lexus rx400 hybrid (athough that would probably bust your budget)



Starts at $49k, but does 31mpg CTY and 27mpg HWY per their website.
Link Posted: 10/4/2005 11:34:45 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/4/2005 11:35:53 AM EDT by Admiral_Crunch]
My Honda CR-V gets about 23 mpg overall, and about 26 if I'm just cruising down the highway. Not bad for an SUV, and I'm a fairly brisk driver.
Link Posted: 10/4/2005 11:35:57 AM EDT

Originally Posted By MissouriBob:

Originally Posted By KS_Physicist:
Escape hybrid gets 26-30 mixed city/hwy "real world" driving (supposedly), and is rated at 36 city/31 hwy.

My friend's Explorer was only making high-teens city, low 20s highway. An extra 10-15 mpg actually does add up pretty quickly. Looks like the base Escape is about 20,000 and the base hybrid is about 27,000. I don't know what options the base hybrid is equipped with, so I'd like to see the numbers comparing the price difference of comparably equipped models to the gas savings.

Jim



Gas is 2.99/gal here. That 7,000 would buy 2341 gallons of gas. Assume 26 mpg. That would be 60869 miles to the break even point. That does not take into account extra maintenance costs. That doesn't seem worth it to me.



Without looking into it, I am assuming that the "base" hybrid probably has more options than the "base" Escape. So the difference is likely less than $7,000.

Jim
Link Posted: 10/4/2005 11:37:49 AM EDT
Diesel liberty, 28 some mpg on the highway and you can make your own fuel!
Link Posted: 10/4/2005 11:38:24 AM EDT

Originally Posted By SHIVAN:

Originally Posted By sixgunsblazing:
a lexus rx400 hybrid (athough that would probably bust your budget)



Starts at $49k, but does 31mpg CTY and 27mpg HWY per their website.



Too rich for my blood. I don't think I could make myself pay that much for a vehicle.
Link Posted: 10/4/2005 11:42:04 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/4/2005 11:45:04 AM EDT by SHIVAN]
Toyota Highlander Hybrid....

www.edmunds.com/new/2006/toyota/highlanderhybrid/suv/midsize/index.html

I believe the hybrid will also net you a tax credit of $2000 in the first year, and gets 30+mpg around town.
Link Posted: 10/4/2005 11:44:34 AM EDT

Originally Posted By fiend:
Diesel liberty, 28 some mpg on the highway and you can make your own fuel!



Diesel gas is more then premium unleaded in Darien, WI
Link Posted: 10/4/2005 11:46:47 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/4/2005 11:47:17 AM EDT by CR_OPSO]

Originally Posted By sixgunsblazing:
how about the new diesel liberty?




I was really starting to think about the diesel liberty, too. But right now (at least in my area), diesel is a lot more expensive than gas.

I have a Tahoe (not the new model) that stays parked right now. Me and the wife are driving her Grand Prix. I can't stand how cramped it is and the mileage isn't that great either.

CR
Link Posted: 10/4/2005 11:48:03 AM EDT

Originally Posted By CR_OPSO:
I was really starting to think about the diesel liberty, too.



I find the Liberty more cramped than some COMPACT cars I've owned.

I'm not that big either at 6'1" 210lbs.
Link Posted: 10/4/2005 11:51:27 AM EDT
Link Posted: 10/4/2005 11:53:51 AM EDT
Found this:

1) 2005 Honda CR-V
The Honda CR-V's fuel economy ratings are an easy to take 21-23 mpg in the city and 26-29 mpg on the highway. The CR-V isn't an offroader, but it handles well where most of us need it to--on the pavement. It's roomy, dependable, and the price isn't bad, even though it went up for 2005: $19,995 to $25,050. The Honda CR-V uses regular gas.

2) 2005 Toyota RAV4
The RAV4 got a much-needed engine boost in 2004, and more features that used to be optional are now standard equipment. It's a quality vehicle that just keeps getting better (although my own tastes shy away from the look of those huge body side moldings). This compact SUV's city mileage ratings range from 22-24 mpg, with 27-30 mpg on the highway. MSRP is $19,600 to $21,000. The RAV4 uses regular gas. See the RAV4 Photo Gallery and RAV4 Highlights.

3) 2005 Ford Escape Hybrid
Ford Escape Hybrid owners can realistically expect to get 40 mpg in stop and go traffic and go 500 miles between fill ups. The hybrid costs about $3,500 more than the conventional XLT model, ranking in at $26,970 for front wheel drive models and $28,595 for four wheel drive.

4) 2005 Toyota Highlander
The mid-size Highlander can seat up to seven adults, and you'll find it has plenty of safety features and a smooth, carlike ride. A V6 engine is available, but for better fuel-efficiency go with the four-cylinder. Test drive Highlander models long enough to decide which configuration is best for your needs. City mileage ranges from 18-22 mpg, highway from 24-27 mpg. MSRP is $24,080 to $31,380, and the Highlander SUV uses regular gas.

5) 2005 Lexus RX 330
Looking for more luxury? Try the Lexus RX 330 if you want a sedan-like ride from your sport utility vehicle. There are plenty of high tech gadgets to play with and you'll ride in comfort. City mileage ratings are 18-20 mpg, highway stands at 24-26. MSRP ranges from $35,775 to $37,175. The RX 330 uses regular gas.

6) 2005 Mitsubishi Outlander
This mid-size SUV is rated at 21-26 mpg for city driving and 22-28 mpg on the highway. The seating area is roomy, but the Outlander is shorter on cargo space than some of its competitors. Overall, the Outlander provides a good ride, so take a look. The Outlander's MSRP ranges from $18,719 to $24,149 and it uses regular gas.

7) 2005 Ford Escape
No, not the Escape Hybrid--that's in a class of its own for an SUV (and more difficult to obtain). The traditional Ford Escape doesn't do too bad with fuel economy, although it's rated slightly less than other small SUVs. City mileage averages 18-22 mpg and highway mileage is at 22-25 mpg. It uses regular gas and has an MSRP that ranges from $19,265 to $28,005.

8) 2005 Honda Element
Honda's boxy Element isn't for everyone, but we're starting to see more and more of them on the road, so its popularity must be climbing. This compact SUV only seats four, so steer away from it if your seating requirements are often higher. City mileage ratings are 21-22 mpg, with 25-26 mpg on the highway. Prices start at $19,525. The Element uses regular gas
9) 2006 Toyota Highlander Hybrid

It'll take awhile to see if the Highlander Hybrid SUV acquires the following that Toyota's Prius has. The 4x2 version's EPA fuel economy rating is 33 city / 28 highway and the 4x2 is rated at 31/27. The Highlander Hybrid's price tag ranges from $33,030 to $39,290. Regular gas is okay, but Toyota recommends mid-grade for best performance.
Link Posted: 10/4/2005 11:54:46 AM EDT

Originally Posted By KS_Physicist:

Originally Posted By MissouriBob:
Gas is 2.99/gal here. That 7,000 would buy 2341 gallons of gas. Assume 26 mpg. That would be 60869 miles to the break even point. That does not take into account extra maintenance costs. That doesn't seem worth it to me.



Without looking into it, I am assuming that the "base" hybrid probably has more options than the "base" Escape. So the difference is likely less than $7,000.

Jim



I was curious, so I looked over Ford's options page for the Escape. The base hybrid includes the following things that the base non-hybrid does not:

6-CD changer instead of a single CD player
perimeter alarm
cruise control
fog lamps
roof rack
floormats
privacy glass
Link Posted: 10/4/2005 11:57:29 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/4/2005 12:00:39 PM EDT by Hamel]
If going hybrid, wait until 2006 to get the tax credit (better than tax incentive)

www.hybridcars.com/tax-deductions.html

Don't know if its a one time thing or something that can be used yearly.


ETA-Hybrids MPG are best in stop and go traffic (more electric motor use) rather than highway miles
Link Posted: 10/4/2005 12:00:36 PM EDT
I have my wife and kids in a 2000 Z71 Tahoe, and am thankful for it.

The newer Tahoes are set up for FlexFuel, they can run the E85 as well as unleaded. Their fuel mileage is not too bad considering what you get. My Tahoe gets better mileage than my Cherokee did.

If you are easy on the gas, you could expect as much as 21-22 when highway cruising. FWIW if I was to replace the Tahoe today, I would be looking at the Z71 Avalanche, and it is FlexFuel as well.
Link Posted: 10/4/2005 12:39:04 PM EDT
I can't find it, but I posted a link in an earlier thread about the safety of cars vs trucks and SUV's, in terms of drivers deaths per vehicle and deaths of drivers in the other vehicle, and it showed that truck and SUV drivers are statistically just as likely to die in an accident as drivers of some midsize and even compact cars, but are much more likely to kill the driver of the other vehicle. IMO, it's better to walk away from a totalled car than to be dead in an SUV.


Originally Posted By sixgunsblazing:
too bad we can't get the V-10 diesel VW Toureg here



They did sell a small number of them, so it might be possible to pick up a used one. But I don't think I'd be buying a V10 anything if I was worried about mpg. ;) On the other hand, the European market gets a 5 or 6cyl diesel Touareg also, which probably gets mid-30s for highway mileage.

If you compare a diesel to the same vehicle with a gasoline engine, the difference in MPG I think still more than makes up for the more expensive fuel. But the only diesel option, the Liberty, gets crappy mileage compared to other similar SUVs(gasser or not), so I wouldn't be buying a Liberty just to save money on fuel.
Link Posted: 10/4/2005 12:52:26 PM EDT
I guess a car might be an option still, but it would have to be something like a Volvo or similar. I'm not sure I buy the results of the study. More mass around me seems like a good thing.
Link Posted: 10/4/2005 1:01:07 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/4/2005 1:13:42 PM EDT by ArmedAggie]
Not Helpful - Removed
Link Posted: 10/4/2005 1:18:36 PM EDT
Be sure and check out the Honda CRV and Pilot. They're some of the most economical and clean running vehicles on the market. Whoa, I just sounded like a hippy.
Link Posted: 10/4/2005 1:59:20 PM EDT

Originally Posted By xdoctor:
Be sure and check out the Honda CRV and Pilot. They're some of the most economical and clean running vehicles on the market. Whoa, I just sounded like a hippy.



Link Posted: 10/4/2005 2:14:28 PM EDT
ive driven a chevy suburban with a 6.5 diesel in it got 25. ford excursion with the 7.3 powerstroke gets 22. or a chevy suburban with a 454 that got 8 on the highway and only took premuim
Link Posted: 10/4/2005 2:17:40 PM EDT
The Touraeg had a diesel version here, you can't buy one new for an 2006, they cancelled the diesel due to emissions testing issues. Too bad, 552 lb-ft of torque
I'd say go for a Chevy TrailBlazer, but you only get 18 mpg. The Chevy Equinox is the next smaller, gets around 25 mpg, but is unibody, has all-wheel drive.
Link Posted: 10/4/2005 2:44:08 PM EDT
I get 16-18 city/highway in my 1997 Tahoe with the 5.7 V8.
Link Posted: 10/4/2005 2:53:47 PM EDT
I've got a 2005 Honda Pilot and average at least 20MPG mixed, and around 26-28 on the highway. Rated to tow 3,500 lbs. and seats 5 adults and 3 kids comfortably. Great fit and finish, good visablility, and resale value is among the best there is. Very plain looking, but maybe the car prowlers will leave it alone because of that. 22,000 miles and zero problems.
Link Posted: 10/4/2005 3:32:34 PM EDT

Originally Posted By SnoopisTDI:
...it showed that truck and SUV drivers are statistically just as likely to die in an accident as drivers of some midsize and even compact cars, but are much more likely to kill the driver of the other vehicle....


My recollection is that a large number of SUV deaths involve rollovers – presumably by folks who think they can always drive SUV’s like cars.

I suspect capable SUV drivers can beat those odds.

Also, I go to great pains to be a cautious and conservative driver.

And while I certainly have no desire to kill another driver, I see no reason to lose my own life trying to protect some idiot who’s driving aggressively, or is drunk, or is yapping away on a cell phone.

My current ride is a SUV – whatever replaces it will also be a SUV.
Link Posted: 10/4/2005 3:50:08 PM EDT
Honda CRV gets VERY good MPG and is pretty decent sized, and has great safety ratings. I've been thinking of getting one myself.
Link Posted: 10/4/2005 4:22:31 PM EDT

Originally Posted By draver:
I've got a 2005 Honda Pilot and average at least 20MPG mixed, and around 26-28 on the highway. Rated to tow 3,500 lbs. and seats 5 adults and 3 kids comfortably. Great fit and finish, good visablility, and resale value is among the best there is. Very plain looking, but maybe the car prowlers will leave it alone because of that. 22,000 miles and zero problems.



I'll check that out. That's kind of what I'm looking for. How's it different from the CRV that others like?
Link Posted: 10/4/2005 4:54:46 PM EDT

Originally Posted By MissouriBob:

Originally Posted By draver:
I've got a 2005 Honda Pilot and average at least 20MPG mixed, and around 26-28 on the highway. Rated to tow 3,500 lbs. and seats 5 adults and 3 kids comfortably. Great fit and finish, good visablility, and resale value is among the best there is. Very plain looking, but maybe the car prowlers will leave it alone because of that. 22,000 miles and zero problems.



I'll check that out. That's kind of what I'm looking for. How's it different from the CRV that others like?



My wife's MDX gets around 17mpg around town. She drives the speed limits, and does not "race" around.

The Pilot has almost the same engine as the MDX.

FWIW....
Link Posted: 10/4/2005 4:58:53 PM EDT
+1 on the Honda Pilot - Very good crash test ratings.

Link Posted: 10/4/2005 6:22:14 PM EDT
I'd like to get something like the Toyota Highlander but can it carry the stuff I want? My 2000 Jeep Grand Cherokee gets a crappy 14mpg and it is a 6cyl. It sucks.

I can fit the following in the Jeep... will it fit in the Highlander?
AR50
1919 with tripod and 3,000 rounds linked up in (5-6) 5 gallon buckets.
6 normal size gun cases
3 short gun cases (mp5 size)
4 - 50 cal ammo cans for the rifles/subguns/50 cal ammo
3 range bags
card table and packing blanket
cleaning supplies / tools
spare parts for 1919
targets
tannerite (case or 2)
cooler
weather gear / extra clothes
etc...etc...etc.




Link Posted: 10/4/2005 8:04:07 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 7:
I'd like to get something like the Toyota Highlander but can it carry the stuff I want? My 2000 Jeep Grand Cherokee gets a crappy 14mpg and it is a 6cyl. It sucks.

I can fit the following in the Jeep... will it fit in the Highlander?
AR50
1919 with tripod and 3,000 rounds linked up in (5-6) 5 gallon buckets.
6 normal size gun cases
3 short gun cases (mp5 size)
4 - 50 cal ammo cans for the rifles/subguns/50 cal ammo
3 range bags
card table and packing blanket
cleaning supplies / tools
spare parts for 1919
targets
tannerite (case or 2)
cooler
weather gear / extra clothes
etc...etc...etc.







Hmmm....

Excellent point.

Tell you what. If I get a Highlander you bring all that stuff over and we'll pack it in. To complete the test I will take it all out for a spin.
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 12:58:44 PM EDT
Ford Excursion with the Powerstroke diesel.
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 1:06:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/5/2005 1:16:12 PM EDT by SHIVAN]

Originally Posted By 7:
I'd like to get something like the Toyota Highlander but can it carry the stuff I want? My 2000 Jeep Grand Cherokee gets a crappy 14mpg and it is a 6cyl. It sucks.

I can fit the following in the Jeep... will it fit in the Highlander?



The 2006 Highlander:......................................................The 2000 Grand Cherokee:

Length: 184.6 in.--------------------------------------------------------Length: 181.5 in.
Width: 71.9 in.---------------------------------------------------------- Width: 72.3 in.
Height: 68.3 in.----------------------------------------------------------Height: 69.4 in.
Wheel Base: 106.9 in.---------------------------------------------------Wheel Base: 105.9 in.
Ground Clearance: 7.3 in.-----------------------------------------------Ground Clearance: 8.3 in.
Curb Weight: 3935 lbs. --------------------------------------------------Curb Weight: 4024 lbs.
Front Head Room: 40 in.-------------------------------------------------Front Head Room: 39.7 in.
Front Hip Room: 55.1 in.-------------------------------------------------Front Hip Room: 56.5 in.
Front Shoulder Room: 57.9 in. ------------------------------------------Front Shoulder Room: 58.9 in.
Rear Head Room: 39.8 in. ----------------------------------------------Rear Head Room: 39.5 in.
Rear Shoulder Room: 57 in.----------------------------------------------Rear Shoulder Room: 57.8 in.
Rear Hip Room: 54.9 in. --------------------------------------------------Rear Hip Room: 52.4 in.
Front Leg Room: 40.7 in.--------------------------------------------------Front Leg Room: 41.4 in.
Rear Leg Room: 36.4 in. --------------------------------------------------Rear Leg Room: 35.3 in.
Luggage Capacity: 10.5 cu. ft.---------------------------------------------Luggage Capacity: 39 cu. ft.
Maximum Cargo Capacity: 81 cu. ft.------------------------------------ Maximum Cargo Capacity: 72 cu. ft.
Maximum Seating: 7 ------------------------------------------------------- Maximum Seating: 5
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 1:08:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/5/2005 1:09:28 PM EDT by Admiral_Crunch]

Originally Posted By 7:
I'd like to get something like the Toyota Highlander but can it carry the stuff I want? My 2000 Jeep Grand Cherokee gets a crappy 14mpg and it is a 6cyl. It sucks.

I can fit the following in the Jeep... will it fit in the Highlander?
AR50
1919 with tripod and 3,000 rounds linked up in (5-6) 5 gallon buckets.
6 normal size gun cases
3 short gun cases (mp5 size)
4 - 50 cal ammo cans for the rifles/subguns/50 cal ammo
3 range bags
card table and packing blanket
cleaning supplies / tools
spare parts for 1919
targets
tannerite (case or 2)
cooler
weather gear / extra clothes
etc...etc...etc.





If I fold down the rear seats, I could probably get all that into my CR-V. Possibly not the AR50, though, unless you can take the stock off or something. It might be a little too long. Might be able to position it to stick the barrel up between the front seats.

And my CR-V came standard with a card table. No need to pack one in at all.
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 2:24:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/5/2005 2:35:41 PM EDT by 7]

Originally Posted By SHIVAN:

Originally Posted By 7:
I'd like to get something like the Toyota Highlander but can it carry the stuff I want? My 2000 Jeep Grand Cherokee gets a crappy 14mpg and it is a 6cyl. It sucks.

I can fit the following in the Jeep... will it fit in the Highlander?



The 2006 Highlander:......................................................The 2000 Grand Cherokee:

Length: 184.6 in.--------------------------------------------------------Length: 181.5 in.
Width: 71.9 in.---------------------------------------------------------- Width: 72.3 in.
Height: 68.3 in.----------------------------------------------------------Height: 69.4 in.
Wheel Base: 106.9 in.---------------------------------------------------Wheel Base: 105.9 in.
Ground Clearance: 7.3 in.-----------------------------------------------Ground Clearance: 8.3 in.
Curb Weight: 3935 lbs. --------------------------------------------------Curb Weight: 4024 lbs.
Front Head Room: 40 in.-------------------------------------------------Front Head Room: 39.7 in.
Front Hip Room: 55.1 in.-------------------------------------------------Front Hip Room: 56.5 in.
Front Shoulder Room: 57.9 in. ------------------------------------------Front Shoulder Room: 58.9 in.
Rear Head Room: 39.8 in. ----------------------------------------------Rear Head Room: 39.5 in.
Rear Shoulder Room: 57 in.----------------------------------------------Rear Shoulder Room: 57.8 in.
Rear Hip Room: 54.9 in. --------------------------------------------------Rear Hip Room: 52.4 in.
Front Leg Room: 40.7 in.--------------------------------------------------Front Leg Room: 41.4 in.
Rear Leg Room: 36.4 in. --------------------------------------------------Rear Leg Room: 35.3 in.
Luggage Capacity: 10.5 cu. ft.---------------------------------------------Luggage Capacity: 39 cu. ft.
Maximum Cargo Capacity: 81 cu. ft.--------------------------------- Maximum Cargo Capacity: 72 cu. ft.
Maximum Seating: 7 ------------------------------------------------------- Maximum Seating: 5



Wow... Guess I'm going to go take a lookie at them. Just have to throw in a GPS so I won't get lost. Hmm, HK21 w/sear or new vehicle?

Edited to say... hmm What is Luggage Capacity in relation to Cargo Capacity?

Link Posted: 10/5/2005 2:26:05 PM EDT

Originally Posted By MissouriBob:
So, the wife and I have decided we want another SUV (note: I still have an 02 Explorer my wife drives). Something with a little more metal around me. I now consider it necessary self defense from clueless people driving with cell phones, reading the paper, or putting on makeup.

I'm only getting about 24 mpg in the Sebring in traffic today. That's not that great.



You'd be lucky to get half of that in traffic in an average SUV.
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 4:54:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/5/2005 4:58:25 PM EDT by SHIVAN]

Originally Posted By 7:

Originally Posted By SHIVAN:

Originally Posted By 7:
I'd like to get something like the Toyota Highlander but can it carry the stuff I want? My 2000 Jeep Grand Cherokee gets a crappy 14mpg and it is a 6cyl. It sucks.

I can fit the following in the Jeep... will it fit in the Highlander?



The 2006 Highlander:......................................................The 2000 Grand Cherokee:

Length: 184.6 in.--------------------------------------------------------Length: 181.5 in.
Width: 71.9 in.---------------------------------------------------------- Width: 72.3 in.
Height: 68.3 in.----------------------------------------------------------Height: 69.4 in.
Wheel Base: 106.9 in.---------------------------------------------------Wheel Base: 105.9 in.
Ground Clearance: 7.3 in.-----------------------------------------------Ground Clearance: 8.3 in.
Curb Weight: 3935 lbs. --------------------------------------------------Curb Weight: 4024 lbs.
Front Head Room: 40 in.-------------------------------------------------Front Head Room: 39.7 in.
Front Hip Room: 55.1 in.-------------------------------------------------Front Hip Room: 56.5 in.
Front Shoulder Room: 57.9 in. ------------------------------------------Front Shoulder Room: 58.9 in.
Rear Head Room: 39.8 in. ----------------------------------------------Rear Head Room: 39.5 in.
Rear Shoulder Room: 57 in.----------------------------------------------Rear Shoulder Room: 57.8 in.
Rear Hip Room: 54.9 in. --------------------------------------------------Rear Hip Room: 52.4 in.
Front Leg Room: 40.7 in.--------------------------------------------------Front Leg Room: 41.4 in.
Rear Leg Room: 36.4 in. --------------------------------------------------Rear Leg Room: 35.3 in.
Luggage Capacity: 10.5 cu. ft.---------------------------------------------Luggage Capacity: 39 cu. ft.
Maximum Cargo Capacity: 81 cu. ft.--------------------------------- Maximum Cargo Capacity: 72 cu. ft.
Maximum Seating: 7 ------------------------------------------------------- Maximum Seating: 5



Wow... Guess I'm going to go take a lookie at them. Just have to throw in a GPS so I won't get lost. Hmm, HK21 w/sear or new vehicle?

Edited to say... hmm What is Luggage Capacity in relation to Cargo Capacity?




The Highlander I spec'ed is seating 7 passengers, so the 3rd row seat takes up some "luggage" capacity.




The 3rd row folds flat so the figure above is misleading.
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 4:58:59 PM EDT
Jeep Liberty Diesel. I hear something like 30-40 mpg. plus diesel is cheaper than gas.
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 4:59:31 PM EDT

Originally Posted By SHIVAN:

Originally Posted By sixgunsblazing:
a lexus rx400 hybrid (athough that would probably bust your budget)



Starts at $49k, but does 31mpg CTY and 27mpg HWY per their website.



STATIONWAGON
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 5:00:21 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Admiral_Crunch:
My Honda CR-V gets about 23 mpg overall, and about 26 if I'm just cruising down the highway. Not bad for an SUV, and I'm a fairly brisk driver.



Can you say STATIONWAGON ???
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 5:01:19 PM EDT

Originally Posted By JosieWales:

Originally Posted By SHIVAN:

Originally Posted By sixgunsblazing:
a lexus rx400 hybrid (athough that would probably bust your budget)



Starts at $49k, but does 31mpg CTY and 27mpg HWY per their website.



STATIONWAGON



And?

I'm secure enough in my manhood to buy whatever presents a good enough value for the money.

If I wanted an RX400h, I would certainly get one.
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 5:02:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/5/2005 5:04:30 PM EDT by SHIVAN]

Originally Posted By JosieWales:

Originally Posted By Admiral_Crunch:
My Honda CR-V gets about 23 mpg overall, and about 26 if I'm just cruising down the highway. Not bad for an SUV, and I'm a fairly brisk driver.



Can you say STATIONWAGON ???



What's wrong? Need a big 9mpg truck to make you feel like a man?



Shiite, if they come out with a ACTUAL STATION WAGON tomorrow that gets 100mpg and is sub-$40k, with some nice luxo features, I might trade my 2005 Tacoma in on it.

Gas around here is $3.29 regular and $3.49 premium....
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 5:55:29 PM EDT
I dunno, the CRV while not really a full size SUV is certainly more SUV like than a lot of the Subaru wagon type vehicles. Since I don't have a Barrett 50 it will certainly take me to the range with my paltry pile of weapons. It looks like my guitar(s) will fit ok and a small amp. Weekend camping - no problem. Decent mileage. Worth a look in my book. I assume Honda's traditionally good fit and finish (lacking on my Sebring)? I still have not seen a Pilot up close in person.
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 5:57:35 PM EDT

Originally Posted By SHIVAN:
Shiite, if they come out with a ACTUAL STATION WAGON tomorrow that gets 100mpg and is sub-$40k, with some nice luxo features, I might trade my 2005 Tacoma in on it.

Gas around here is $3.29 regular and $3.49 premium....



How about a wagon that gets about 40mpg on the highway? VW Passat or Mercedes E-class... but I'd wait and see where diesel fuel prices go. I'm already hearing stories of gas stations getting rationed diesel. First thing I'm doing when I get home is filling a few cans of diesel.
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