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Posted: 5/7/2003 9:43:02 AM EDT
What makes a gun considered an "Assault" rifle, according to the 94 ban? Or just according to US law in general. I'm interested to know, because there is a liberal on another forum who is saying he doesn't have a problem with banning Assault Rifles, but I have a feeling he doesn't have any idea as to what is the actual definition of "Assault" Rifle. Instead, I just think he's buying into the terminology, since "Assault" sounds scary and evil, therefore he doesn't have a problem banning them... Anyway, some facts would be appreciated. Thanks.
Link Posted: 5/7/2003 9:46:21 AM EDT
"assault rifle" is a rifle that fires full-auto. "Assault rifle", per the 94 AWban, says it has something to do with collapsible stocks, threaded barrels, flash hiders, detachable mags... It is another case of Soccer moms changing the definition of something. Case in Point: Full-capacity magazines. HIGH CAPACITY sounds scarier, therefore, we'll change the name and scare more folks into banning them... Don't fret though, grasshopper. ALL Prebans get a new name on 14 Sept 2004: OLD, USED AR.
Link Posted: 5/7/2003 9:48:16 AM EDT
Link Posted: 5/7/2003 9:50:05 AM EDT
An assault rifle is a weapon capable of select fire (semi, burst and or full auto).
Link Posted: 5/7/2003 9:52:19 AM EDT
A name is what ever you want it to be In the case of socialist gun grabbers its evil features... nothing more
Link Posted: 5/7/2003 10:09:18 AM EDT
Nice of you guys to be obtuse when a member is looking for ammo. Here's the definition from the US Code: Semiautomatic assault weapon. (a) Any of the firearms, or copies or duplicates of the firearms in any caliber, known as: (1) Norinco, Mitchell, and Poly Technologies Avtomat Kalashnikovs (all models), (2) Action Arms Israeli Military Industries UZI and Galil, (3) Beretta Ar70 (SC-70), (4) Colt AR-15, (5) Fabrique National FN/FAL, FN/LAR, and FNC, (6) SWD M-10, M-11, M-11/9, and M-12, (7) Steyr AUG, (8) INTRATEC TEC-9, TEC-DC9 and TEC-22, and (9) Revolving cylinder shotguns, such as (or similar to) the Street Sweeper and Striker 12; (b) A semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least 2 of-- (1) A folding or telescoping stock, [[Page 1140]] (2) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon, (3) A bayonet mount, (4) A flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor, and (5) A grenade launcher; (c) A semiautomatic pistol that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least 2 of-- (1) An ammunition magazine that attaches to the pistol outside of the pistol grip, (2) A threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel extender, flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer, (3) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel and that permits the shooter to hold the firearm with the nontrigger hand without being burned, (4) A manufactured weight of 50 ounces or more when the pistol is unloaded, and (5) A semiautomatic version of an automatic firearm; and (d) A semiautomatic shotgun that has at least 2 of-- (1) A folding or telescoping stock, (2) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon, (3) A fixed magazine capacity in excess of 5 rounds, and (4) An ability to accept a detachable magazine. Please note that the correct term, per regulation, is semiautomatic assault weapon. Also note that "Norinco" in section (a) only refers to AK 47 rifles or variations.
Link Posted: 5/7/2003 10:22:42 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By rileyindy: Nice of you guys to be obtuse when a member is looking for ammo. Here's the definition from the US Code: Semiautomatic assault weapon. (a) Any of the firearms, or copies or duplicates of the firearms in any caliber, known as: (1) Norinco, Mitchell, and Poly Technologies Avtomat Kalashnikovs (all models), (2) Action Arms Israeli Military Industries UZI and Galil, (3) Beretta Ar70 (SC-70), (4) Colt AR-15, (5) Fabrique National FN/FAL, FN/LAR, and FNC, (6) SWD M-10, M-11, M-11/9, and M-12, (7) Steyr AUG, (8) INTRATEC TEC-9, TEC-DC9 and TEC-22, and (9) Revolving cylinder shotguns, such as (or similar to) the Street Sweeper and Striker 12; (b) A semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least 2 of-- (1) A folding or telescoping stock, [[Page 1140]] (2) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon, (3) A bayonet mount, (4) A flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor, and (5) A grenade launcher; (c) A semiautomatic pistol that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least 2 of-- (1) An ammunition magazine that attaches to the pistol outside of the pistol grip, (2) A threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel extender, flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer, (3) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel and that permits the shooter to hold the firearm with the nontrigger hand without being burned, (4) A manufactured weight of 50 ounces or more when the pistol is unloaded, and (5) A semiautomatic version of an automatic firearm; and (d) A semiautomatic shotgun that has at least 2 of-- (1) A folding or telescoping stock, (2) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon, (3) A fixed magazine capacity in excess of 5 rounds, and (4) An ability to accept a detachable magazine. Please note that the correct term, per regulation, is semiautomatic assault weapon. Also note that "Norinco" in section (a) only refers to AK 47 rifles or variations.
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All that is well and good, as we all know how to read the US code. However, there is no fucking such thing as a 'semiautomatic assault weapon'. That is a term completely made up by the likes of Swillery, Bubba Bill, Fineswine, and Brainless Sarah to scare the sheeple and it worked. My AR15 type rifles are no different from a Mini 14 (except accuracy[:D]) in function or the ability to accept external mags. However, because it has a wooden stock with no pistol grip, it looks less threatening. This whole fucking thing is about how some guns LOOK. They know that the looks of the rifle will allow them to demonize it more easily and thus the public wouldn't be so upset if they were banned. Never mind that I could take an unbanned Mini and do just as much damage if I were so inclined. However, that is just the first step, for these assholes want all the guns. Next will be the 'sniper rifles', i.e. Remington 700s, Savage 10FPs, etc, then the evil 'street sweepers', i.e. Mossberg 500s, and on and on until they have them all. The sheeple, including SOME hunters who say 'my hunting rifle is okay, what do you need that assault rife for?', better wake up and realize this entire 94 AWB is all about cosmetics and is just the first step towards getting them all.
Link Posted: 5/7/2003 10:40:44 AM EDT
LARRYG, Quit being a troll. [:K] This thread is not about the justness of the 94 AWB. I think we are all in agreement that it was and is BS. If you feel the need to rant about it, there is a button with the words "New Topic" you should try clicking. You are mistaken in your belief that "there is no fucking such thing as a 'semiautomatic assault weapon'." It was defined in the 1994 AWB and has, in fact, become legally defined by the above code. Amazingly enough, the above code is in Part 178 of Commerce in Firearms and Ammunition titled "178.11 [b]Meanings of terms.[/b] This happens to part of 27 C.F.R. which IS Federal law. Now back to the topic at hand. Here's the question that was the start of this topic: "What makes a gun considered an "Assault" rifle, according to the 94 ban? Or just according to US law in general....Anyway, some facts would be appreciated. Thanks." Care to add anything to this?
Link Posted: 5/7/2003 10:42:25 AM EDT
Doesn't an assault weapon have to have 1) Selective fire and 2)an intermediate cartridge?
Link Posted: 5/7/2003 10:47:48 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By rileyindy: LARRYG, Quit being a troll. [:K] This thread is not about the justness of the 94 AWB. I think we are all in agreement that it was and is BS. If you feel the need to rant about it, there is a button with the words "New Topic" you should try clicking. You are mistaken in your belief that "there is no fucking such thing as a 'semiautomatic assault weapon'." It was defined in the 1994 AWB and has, in fact, become legally defined by the above code. Amazingly enough, the above code is in Part 178 of Commerce in Firearms and Ammunition titled "178.11 [b]Meanings of terms.[/b] This happens to part of 27 C.F.R. which IS Federal law. Now back to the topic at hand. Here's the question that was the start of this topic: "What makes a gun considered an "Assault" rifle, according to the 94 ban? Or just according to US law in general....Anyway, some facts would be appreciated. Thanks." Care to add anything to this?
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Screw you and your 'troll' bullshit. I don't care what the law says, there is no such thing. What makes it one is that the aforementioned assholes made up the term and applied it to certain rifles. That is a fucking fact and that's what I am adding to this. And don't tell me where the 'new topic' button is, I've been around here a while. Maybe you should read the question again. He is dealing with a liberal who is an anti. Nothing makes them a 'semiautomatic assault weapon' other than the liberal applying the label.
Link Posted: 5/7/2003 10:57:15 AM EDT
That post was way off base, rileyindy. Are you having a bad day? IBTL.
Link Posted: 5/7/2003 11:06:58 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By ump45: What makes a gun considered an "Assault" rifle, according to the 94 ban? Or just according to US law in general. I'm interested to know, because there is a liberal on another forum who is saying he doesn't have a problem with banning Assault Rifles, but I have a feeling he doesn't have any idea as to what is the actual definition of "Assault" Rifle. Instead, I just think he's buying into the terminology, since "Assault" sounds scary and evil, therefore he doesn't have a problem banning them... Anyway, some facts would be appreciated. Thanks.
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He's a liberal. He does not want to know the difference, nor would he, in fact, I'm betting, care. He'll eventually want them all banned. It's for the children, you know.
Originially posted by Mugzilla: Don't fret though, grasshopper. ALL Prebans get a new name on 14 Sept 2004: OLD, USED AR.
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From your lips to God's ears. Unfortunately, I'd bet you're wrong. RF
Link Posted: 5/7/2003 11:07:32 AM EDT
Originally Posted By mcnielsen: That post was way off base, rileyindy. Are you having a bad day? IBTL.
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Not really. I don't see how I was off base. LarryG was mistaken and then he tells me that I am wrong when I say "...the correct term, per regulation, is semiautomatic assault weapon." Sorry but Larry is wrong. He chose to quote me and then tell me I don't know what I'm talking about. Sorry but he was out of line and was trolling me. However, I would welcome discourse from you as to why you think I was out of line.
Link Posted: 5/7/2003 11:50:43 AM EDT
The term assault rifle has been around way before any ban. The AR in AR-15 means Assault Rifle, hence the name AR. So it wasn't made up by liberals to scare sheeple like we all want to believe. Although, when they(libs) use terms like "high capacity magazine" that pisses me off, because since these guns were designed for 20, 30, and 40 round mags, it would make sense to call the normal capacity mags, and 10 rounders low cap mags. Also IMHO, any gun can be an assault weapon, if you walk up to a guy and blast him with a Rem 700, would that not be an assault, with a deadly weapon??? Anyone see the pic of Upchuck shoemaker fire what I beleive was an MP5, or how about the fact the Diewoman Frankenstein carrys. We live in a democracy of hippocracy.
Link Posted: 5/7/2003 11:58:50 AM EDT
Originally Posted By tactmaster: The term assault rifle has been around way before any ban. The AR in AR-15 means Assault Rifle, hence the name AR. So it wasn't made up by liberals to scare sheeple like we all want to believe. Although, when they(libs) use terms like "high capacity magazine" that pisses me off, because since these guns were designed for 20, 30, and 40 round mags, it would make sense to call the normal capacity mags, and 10 rounders low cap mags. Also IMHO, any gun can be an assault weapon, if you walk up to a guy and blast him with a Rem 700, would that not be an assault, with a deadly weapon??? Anyone see the pic of Upchuck shoemaker fire what I beleive was an MP5, or how about the fact the Diewoman Frankenstein carrys. We live in a democracy of hippocracy.
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I thought AR stood for the initials of Eugene Stoner's grandfather? It doesn't stand for 'assault rifle" thats for sure. CRC
Link Posted: 5/7/2003 11:58:57 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By tactmaster: The term assault rifle has been around way before any ban. The AR in AR-15 means Assault Rifle, hence the name AR.
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Hmmm.... The folks at ArmaLite seem to think AR means "ArmaLite". As in ArmaLite model 10, 15, 18, 180, etc. It's called a Colt AR-15 because Colt bought the design from ArmaLite. But I suppose an AR-50 could really be a bolt action single shot Assault Rifle.
Link Posted: 5/7/2003 12:07:07 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 5/7/2003 12:15:02 PM EDT
The radio show run by 2 x-gen neo-con socialists I called into didn't know what the definition of an "assault weapon" was either, but they were steadfast against the ownership of those types of guns. After asking them "How can you be against something you know absolutely nothing about?" they hung up on me.
Link Posted: 5/7/2003 12:35:38 PM EDT
Originally Posted By tactmaster: The term assault rifle has been around way before any ban. The AR in AR-15 means Assault Rifle, hence the name AR. So it wasn't made up by liberals to scare sheeple like we all want to believe.
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OMFG. Then AR-7 is an assualt rifle???
Link Posted: 5/7/2003 12:47:45 PM EDT
AR means many things: Arkansas Armalite Aunt Rose etc... It doesn't mean 'assault rifle' but I'm sure many newbies think this though. When I first got mine, my brother-in-law asked me if AR stood for 'assault rifle'. I said I didn't think so, but I didn't know the truth as of yet. If it DID stand for assault rifle, then I'm sure Bushmaster, DPMS, RRA, CAV, Armalite would all be using that designation. Instead we get, XM15, A15, CAV15, M15 etc...
Link Posted: 5/7/2003 12:51:13 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Torf: AR means many things: Arkansas Armalite Aunt Rose etc... It doesn't mean 'assault rifle' but I'm sure many newbies think this though. When I first got mine, my brother-in-law asked me if AR stood for 'assault rifle'. I said I didn't think so, but I didn't know the truth as of yet. If it DID stand for assault rifle, then I'm sure Bushmaster, DPMS, RRA, CAV, Armalite would all be using that designation. Instead we get, XM15, A15, CAV15, M15 etc...
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The 'AR-15" was specifically banned by law in 1994. You CANNOT call a post-1994 guh an "AR-15" CRC
Link Posted: 5/7/2003 12:55:04 PM EDT
Ump45 asked what the lawbooks had to say, and rileyindy posted the US code. A bunch of cosmetics and features in certain configurations. Oh yeah, a rose by any other name is legal. In the Book of Moondog, it's only an assault weapon if and after someone has been assaulted with it. Otherwise, they're defined as "paper-punchers", "critter-gitters", and "bowling pin knocker-overs". Almost forgot to mention, "anti-theft devices", "anti-assault weapons," and "counter-assault weapons."
Link Posted: 5/7/2003 1:05:23 PM EDT
Originally Posted By rileyindy:
Originally Posted By mcnielsen: That post was way off base, rileyindy. Are you having a bad day? IBTL.
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Not really. I don't see how I was off base. LarryG was mistaken and then he tells me that I am wrong when I say "...the correct term, per regulation, is semiautomatic assault weapon." Sorry but Larry is wrong. He chose to quote me and then tell me I don't know what I'm talking about. Sorry but he was out of line and was trolling me. However, I would welcome discourse from you as to why you think I was out of line.
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I was not out of line and I was not wrong. I don't care what the law says, there is no such thing as a 'semiautomatic assault weapon'. You don't know what you are talking about. Oh, you can quote the law, big deal. That is still a term devised by the antis to scare the masses. And you can stuff that trolling shit up your ass.
Link Posted: 5/7/2003 1:07:03 PM EDT
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The only thing that set's an "assault rifle" apart from your dad's deer rifle - according to 922r - are those cosmetic devices which make it look "military". Functionally, an "assault rifle" is no different than any other self-loading gun on the market. I guess an argument could be made that only "assault rifles" accept 'large capacity' magazines, but that's not 100% true either. The most defining feature to most anti's is the pistol grip. They believe that the pistol grip facilitates easy firing from the 'hip'... as if that's some super deadly method of firing. :D Jesh, if I had my choice I would ask the good Lord to force anyone who decides to shoot at me to fire from the hip. Why? Because you can't hit !@#$ shooting from the 'hip'! It's all about appearance and nothing more. As already mentioned, a true assault rifle is select fire - so when I use the term in this post I'm referring to the definition according to 922r of U.S. law. Tim
Link Posted: 5/7/2003 1:09:26 PM EDT
Originally Posted By tactmaster: The term assault rifle has been around way before any ban. The AR in AR-15 means Assault Rifle, hence the name AR. So it wasn't made up by liberals to scare sheeple like we all want to believe.
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First, AR stands for ArmaLite, not assault rifle, i.e. the AR7, the AR50, etc. Second, nobody said they made up the term 'assault rifle', we are saying that the liberals made up the term 'semiautomatic assault weapon' and have done their best to confuse them with actual assault rifles, which must have select fire capability in order to be an assault rifle.
Link Posted: 5/7/2003 1:49:49 PM EDT
Thanks for the responses. I got the ammunition (so to speak hehe) that I needed. Thanks to the guy that posted the US Code, that was enlightening.
Link Posted: 5/7/2003 2:01:52 PM EDT
Originally Posted By FAC: The only thing that set's an "assault rifle" apart from your dad's deer rifle - according to 922r - are those cosmetic devices which make it look "military".
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No, an assault rifle is capable of select fire. Now, what the liberals define as 'semiautomatic assault weapon' is no different from you dad's deer rifle except for cosmetics.
Functionally, an "assault rifle" is no different than any other self-loading gun on the market.
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Functionally, an assault rifle is quite different from a semiautomatic, self loading gun. Now, the rifles to which the bogus term 'semiautomatic assault weapon' is applied are no different from any other semiautomatic self loading rifle. It is a bogus term, US code notwithstanding. It was made up by the antis in order to confuse the public so that they wouldn't know the difference between a genuine assault rifle and one that happens to LOOK like it. From some of the posts on here, it must be working.
Link Posted: 5/7/2003 3:22:27 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Torf: AR means many things: Arkansas Armalite Aunt Rose etc... It doesn't mean 'assault rifle' but I'm sure many newbies think this though. When I first got mine, my brother-in-law asked me if AR stood for 'assault rifle'. I said I didn't think so, but I didn't know the truth as of yet. If it DID stand for assault rifle, then I'm sure Bushmaster, DPMS, RRA, CAV, Armalite would all be using that designation. Instead we get, XM15, A15, CAV15, M15 etc...
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AR15 is a trademark owned by Colt (bought from Armalite). That's why everyone making the ??15 rifles comes up with its own designation.
Link Posted: 5/7/2003 5:35:26 PM EDT
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