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Posted: 8/10/2011 3:01:45 PM EDT
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Cooper survived the jump, made it to civilization and became an expat to a SA country, and died in obscurity.
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Posted: 8/10/2011 3:02:27 PM EDT
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Cooper survived the jump, made it to civilization and became an expat to a SA country, and died in obscurity. |
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Posted: 8/10/2011 3:02:58 PM EDT
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Cooper survived the jump, made it to civilization and became an expat to a SA country, and died in obscurity. That would have been a miserable couple of days walking out of those woods with the way he was equipped. |
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Posted: 8/10/2011 3:03:10 PM EDT
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Fidel Castro did it, he died during the jump and was replaced by a CIA grown clone
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Posted: 8/10/2011 3:04:06 PM EDT
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DEAD
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Posted: 8/10/2011 3:06:20 PM EDT
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What's left of old Dan Cooper is hanging 100' up in a tree somewhere still in his parachute harness. That's rugged terrain with not a lot of people walking around in it.
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Posted: 8/10/2011 3:06:25 PM EDT
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Cooper survived the jump, made it to civilization and became an expat to a SA country, and died in obscurity. That would have been a miserable couple of days walking out of those woods with the way he was equipped. If he had the background that a few believe he did, it would have been pretty easy for him. |
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Posted: 8/10/2011 3:07:27 PM EDT
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Died on impact.
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Posted: 8/10/2011 3:07:27 PM EDT
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Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but he didn't personally pack the chute(s) he jumped with, did he? They were delivered to the aircraft?
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Posted: 8/10/2011 3:08:27 PM EDT
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Splat!
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Posted: 8/10/2011 3:09:01 PM EDT
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Dead before he made it out of the woods. Maybe on impact, maybe from wounds that stopped him from escaping, maybe from exposure, maybe some combination, but dead either way.
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Posted: 8/10/2011 3:09:51 PM EDT
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Only pretended to jump, hid in the bathroom until the plane landed safely and walked away .
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Posted: 8/10/2011 3:09:52 PM EDT
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Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but he didn't personally pack the chute(s) he jumped with, did he? They were delivered to the aircraft?
DEAD. He requested 4 or 5 chutes IIRC, and he still had hostages on board at the time, betting that they would figure he would force a passenger or more to use the chutes, there by creating a situation where they dare not send in a faulty chute. |
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Posted: 8/10/2011 3:10:58 PM EDT
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Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but he didn't personally pack the chute(s) he jumped with, did he? They were delivered to the aircraft?
DEAD. He requested four parachutes, implying that he would force a hostage to jump with him. That ruled out tampering. In the rush to get the parachutes to him (after he rejected some military rigs from McChord), they accidentally grabbed a dummy reserve used for training, though. |
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Posted: 8/10/2011 3:11:42 PM EDT
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Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but he didn't personally pack the chute(s) he jumped with, did he? They were delivered to the aircraft?
DEAD. He requested 4 or 5 chutes IIRC, and he still had hostages on board at the time, betting that they would figure he would force a passenger or more to use the chutes, there by creating a situation where they dare not send in a faulty chute. Yep. That part, at least, was well planned. |
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Posted: 8/10/2011 3:12:28 PM EDT
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Only pretended to jump, hid in the bathroom until the plane landed safely and walked away . Except that the Reno airport was swarming with FBI and local police when the plane landed... |
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Posted: 8/10/2011 3:12:29 PM EDT
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He opened the airstair and threw out one of the parachutes and a few bundles of money. Then he hid somewhere on the plane that gave him access to one of the lavatorys until it was placed back in service and walked off after the first flight with the rest of the passengers.
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Posted: 8/10/2011 3:12:56 PM EDT
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What's left of old Dan Cooper is hanging 100' up in a tree somewhere still in his parachute harness. That's rugged terrain with not a lot of people walking around in it. This, or he augered in. |
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Posted: 8/10/2011 3:13:51 PM EDT
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Lost his money on the jump like so many WWII paratroopers lost their gear. He then broke his legs or neck on landing and died a prisoner of his own mind in the middle of the north western woods. The wannabees are " My daddy didn't love me" attention whores and wing nuts.
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Posted: 8/10/2011 3:14:43 PM EDT
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Dead before he made it out of the woods. Maybe on impact, maybe from wounds that stopped him from escaping, maybe from exposure, maybe some combination, but dead either way. No body was ever found and only $5800 of the money was ever recovered. Still in the woods? |
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Posted: 8/10/2011 3:15:35 PM EDT
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Cooper survived the jump, made it to civilization and became an expat to a SA country, and died in obscurity. That would have been a miserable couple of days walking out of those woods with the way he was equipped. If he had the background that a few believe he did, it would have been pretty easy for him. What's the theory on his background and evidence to support it? |
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Posted: 8/10/2011 3:15:37 PM EDT
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Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but he didn't personally pack the chute(s) he jumped with, did he? They were delivered to the aircraft?
DEAD. He requested 4 or 5 chutes IIRC, and he still had hostages on board at the time, betting that they would figure he would force a passenger or more to use the chutes, there by creating a situation where they dare not send in a faulty chute. Aaaaahhh, I see. I'd still wager that - while it is possible the jump was completed without incident - he went splat. Or, broke both his legs and the animals ate him. Or Bigfoot got him. Any way ya slice it: DEAD!
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Posted: 8/10/2011 3:15:52 PM EDT
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Died in the jump. Body and money lost somewhere in the wilderness probably close to a creek or river... to account for the money that kid found in the water.
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Posted: 8/10/2011 3:16:56 PM EDT
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We will never know.
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Posted: 8/10/2011 3:17:29 PM EDT
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There are those that believe he may have had advanced military training.
Subtle things such as his shoes were reported to be more like jump boots, in one report I read. |
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Posted: 8/10/2011 3:18:32 PM EDT
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Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but he didn't personally pack the chute(s) he jumped with, did he? They were delivered to the aircraft?
DEAD. Unsure if he would make someone else jump with him, they wouldn't have packed a malfunction into the rigs. |
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Posted: 8/10/2011 3:19:52 PM EDT
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Dead. If not from the jump itself, then from exposure. I dont think the 727 ventral stairs are powered down, only powered up. So you have a situation where the stairs are not locked down/bouncing around, in a thunderstorm. If he survived exiting the aircraft, and the landing, then i would consider it a minor miracle if he didnt die from exposure.
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Posted: 8/10/2011 3:22:50 PM EDT
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Cooper survived the jump, made it to civilization and became an expat to a SA country, and died in obscurity. That would have been a miserable couple of days walking out of those woods with the way he was equipped. If he had the background that a few believe he did, it would have been pretty easy for him. What's the theory on his background and evidence to support it? The FBI originally believed he was an Air Force veteran who had been stationed at McChord, based on comments made during the hijacking. Also, there is a theory that the alias Dan Cooper was taken from a French comic book that he ran across while stationed in Europe. Of course, there's no real evidence since no one ever found out who he was. |
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Posted: 8/10/2011 3:23:21 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Cooper survived the jump, made it to civilization and became an expat to a SA country, and died in obscurity. That would have been a miserable couple of days walking out of those woods with the way he was equipped. We would have found body/money/something had he died. I'm almost positive he survived the jump. The walkout would have been unpleasant, but not lethal. I do wonder what his plan was once he was on the ground. With no GPS back then, it would have been damn hard for him to know where he was. |
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Posted: 8/10/2011 3:23:53 PM EDT
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Some of the cash from the hijacking was found on the banks of the Columbia river back in the early 80's if I recall.
The area of the country that he bailed out in is not a place that I would like to make a parachute drop in (at fucking night too). It was late November, and some of the areas he could have landed in would not have been easily survivable by a man in a business suit. Many rivers, streams and lakes cross this area (not fun to get dipped into in November), elevation can change radically in the area he bailed out over, meaning that he could have made it into a valley or onto the ass-end of a small mountain (which may have kept its snowpack well into summer). Factor in the trees (good luck, in the dark, on THAT drop. Sodomized by a Douglas Fir), and the fact that some of the forests around there can swallow a man whole and never give him up, and I'd say Mr. "Cooper" stood a VERY high chance of sustaining extreme injury and expiring. |
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Posted: 8/10/2011 3:23:56 PM EDT
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Quoted: Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but he didn't personally pack the chute(s) he jumped with, did he? They were delivered to the aircraft? DEAD. He spent time looking them over to make sure they were jump worthy. |
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Posted: 8/10/2011 3:26:36 PM EDT
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Dead. If not from the jump itself, then from exposure. I dont think the 727 ventral stairs are powered down, only powered up. So you have a situation where the stairs are not locked down/bouncing around, in a thunderstorm. If he survived exiting the aircraft, and the landing, then i would consider it a minor miracle if he didnt die from exposure. The FBI believes that spikes in cabin pressure shown on aircraft instruments were from the stairs bouncing up and down as he jumped. That's how they came up with his time of jump. Eyewitness accounts have him wearing a business suit and loafers with no helmet or eye protection and, at most, minimal survival gear that he could carry in his pockets. The weather was below freezing with heavy rain and occasional snow. Pacific Northwest in late November. |
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Posted: 8/10/2011 3:27:14 PM EDT
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Quoted: Died in the jump. Body and money lost somewhere in the wilderness probably close to a creek or river... to account for the money that kid found in the water. The circumstance of finding the money don't fit with that. The whole thing with the found cash makes an odd case downright bizarre. |
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Posted: 8/10/2011 3:29:29 PM EDT
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The FBI originally believed he was an Air Force veteran who had been stationed at McChord, based on comments made during the hijacking. Also, there is a theory that the alias Dan Cooper was taken from a French comic book that he ran across while stationed in Europe. Of course, there's no real evidence since no one ever found out who he was. Interesting. |
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Posted: 8/10/2011 3:30:28 PM EDT
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Quoted: The FBI originally believed he was an Air Force veteran who had been stationed at McChord, based on comments made during the hijacking. Also, there is a theory that the alias Dan Cooper was taken from a French comic book that he ran across while stationed in Europe. Of course, there's no real evidence since no one ever found out who he was. The Adventures of Dan Cooper was a Canadian comic book. |
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Posted: 8/10/2011 3:31:41 PM EDT
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Dead. If not from the jump itself, then from exposure. I dont think the 727 ventral stairs are powered down, only powered up. So you have a situation where the stairs are not locked down/bouncing around, in a thunderstorm. If he survived exiting the aircraft, and the landing, then i would consider it a minor miracle if he didnt die from exposure. The FBI believes that spikes in cabin pressure shown on aircraft instruments were from the stairs bouncing up and down as he jumped. That's how they came up with his time of jump. Eyewitness accounts have him wearing a business suit and loafers with no helmet or eye protection and, at most, minimal survival gear that he could carry in his pockets. The weather was below freezing with heavy rain and occasional snow. Pacific Northwest in late November. And see I have read conflicting reports on the shoes, and reports that people thought the fit of the suit was odd, like he had other clothes underneath. It would have been tough, but remember people have the ability to survive in some pretty tough situations. |
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Posted: 8/10/2011 3:32:27 PM EDT
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The FBI originally believed he was an Air Force veteran who had been stationed at McChord, based on comments made during the hijacking. Also, there is a theory that the alias Dan Cooper was taken from a French comic book that he ran across while stationed in Europe. Of course, there's no real evidence since no one ever found out who he was. The Adventures of Dan Cooper was a Canadian comic book. You're right. French-Canadian in origin, but also popular in Europe. |
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Posted: 8/10/2011 3:33:06 PM EDT
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Cooper survived the jump, made it to civilization and became an expat to a SA country, and died in obscurity. That would have been a miserable couple of days walking out of those woods with the way he was equipped. We would have found body/money/something had he died. I'm almost positive he survived the jump. The walkout would have been unpleasant, but not lethal. I do wonder what his plan was once he was on the ground. With no GPS back then, it would have been damn hard for him to know where he was. They did find money, nearly a decade later downriver. Even today folks that take wrong turns on the state highways out on the wetside of Washington in winter end up dead. Be even worse to parachute in, with the near solid tree cover in many areas he'd stand a high chance of getting badly injured or hung up. Not to mention the terrain and elevation changes around there. You ever been in that area? Lots of folks go missing out there. I'd hate to be out in that, disoriented and injured in the dark. In winter. Lots of folks just seem to get swallowed up in that area, easy to imagine that a body wouldn't ever be found except by scavengers. |
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Posted: 8/10/2011 3:34:00 PM EDT
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I have always been fascinated by this story.
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Posted: 8/10/2011 3:35:10 PM EDT
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Dead. If not from the jump itself, then from exposure. I dont think the 727 ventral stairs are powered down, only powered up. So you have a situation where the stairs are not locked down/bouncing around, in a thunderstorm. If he survived exiting the aircraft, and the landing, then i would consider it a minor miracle if he didnt die from exposure. The FBI believes that spikes in cabin pressure shown on aircraft instruments were from the stairs bouncing up and down as he jumped. That's how they came up with his time of jump. Eyewitness accounts have him wearing a business suit and loafers with no helmet or eye protection and, at most, minimal survival gear that he could carry in his pockets. The weather was below freezing with heavy rain and occasional snow. Pacific Northwest in late November. And see I have read conflicting reports on the shoes, and reports that people thought the fit of the suit was odd, like he had other clothes underneath. It would have been tough, but remember people have the ability to survive in some pretty tough situations. He could have worn clothing underneath the suit and carried some items in his pockets. Even after getting to the ground, tough would have been an understatement. |
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Posted: 8/10/2011 3:36:30 PM EDT
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Is it possible he timed the aircraft flight and knew roughly where he was jumping and had accomplices waiting for him close by?
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Posted: 8/10/2011 3:36:50 PM EDT
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Here is a series of three articles from Parachutist. I doubt many of you if any at all have read them. Very good articles and gives a different perspective:
http://parachutistonline.com/feature/secrets-db-cooper-part-one-notorious-flight-305 http://parachutistonline.com/feature/secrets-db-cooper-part-two-evidence-absence http://parachutistonline.com/feature/secrets-db-cooper-part-three-criminal-profile |
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Posted: 8/10/2011 3:38:19 PM EDT
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He made and survived the jump.
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Posted: 8/10/2011 3:38:28 PM EDT
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Cooper survived the jump, made it to civilization and became an expat to a SA country, and died in obscurity. That would have been a miserable couple of days walking out of those woods with the way he was equipped. We would have found body/money/something had he died. I'm almost positive he survived the jump. The walkout would have been unpleasant, but not lethal. I do wonder what his plan was once he was on the ground. With no GPS back then, it would have been damn hard for him to know where he was. They did find money, nearly a decade later downriver. Even today folks that take wrong turns on the state highways out on the wetside of Washington in winter end up dead. Be even worse to parachute in, with the near solid tree cover in many areas he'd stand a high chance of getting badly injured or hung up. Not to mention the terrain and elevation changes around there. You ever been in that area? Lots of folks go missing out there. I'd hate to be out in that, disoriented and injured in the dark. In winter. Lots of folks just seem to get swallowed up in that area, easy to imagine that a body wouldn't ever be found except by scavengers. Yes I have been in that area and all over the PNW and SE AK. Experienced people usually have no issues, it is normally the city folk who get into trouble. I say we talk Bear Gryllys (sp?) into a recreation, he will prove that it could be done. I don't have the skilz for the jump, but on the ground I could have easily made it out. |
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Posted: 8/10/2011 3:38:56 PM EDT
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Is it possible he timed the aircraft flight and knew roughly where he was jumping and had accomplices waiting for him close by? Or had stashed gear himself at an easily found landmark in the area. |
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Posted: 8/10/2011 3:39:44 PM EDT
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I have it on good authority that he is alive and well.
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Posted: 8/10/2011 3:39:50 PM EDT
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Cooper survived the jump, made it to civilization and became an expat to a SA country, and died in obscurity. That would have been a miserable couple of days walking out of those woods with the way he was equipped. We would have found body/money/something had he died. I'm almost positive he survived the jump. The walkout would have been unpleasant, but not lethal. I do wonder what his plan was once he was on the ground. With no GPS back then, it would have been damn hard for him to know where he was. They did find money, nearly a decade later downriver. Even today folks that take wrong turns on the state highways out on the wetside of Washington in winter end up dead. Be even worse to parachute in, with the near solid tree cover in many areas he'd stand a high chance of getting badly injured or hung up. Not to mention the terrain and elevation changes around there. You ever been in that area? Lots of folks go missing out there. I'd hate to be out in that, disoriented and injured in the dark. In winter. Lots of folks just seem to get swallowed up in that area, easy to imagine that a body wouldn't ever be found except by scavengers. People equipped for camping and hiking get lost and die out there. Even so, there were multiple, intensive searches of the area plus four decades of treasure hunters randomly stomping around looking for him. They found a Native American woman's skull, a parachute from a military aviation crash in 1944, and the body of an abducted girl who had been murdered three weeks earlier, among other things, in the original searches. |
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Posted: 8/10/2011 3:39:59 PM EDT
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I have always been fascinated by this story. I have followed it since I was a pre-teen
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Posted: 8/10/2011 3:40:09 PM EDT
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Is it possible he timed the aircraft flight and knew roughly where he was jumping and had accomplices waiting for him close by? Entirely possible, even probable. But, its a big damn sky, at night, in the rain, in winter. |
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Posted: 8/10/2011 3:40:14 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Cooper survived the jump, made it to civilization and became an expat to a SA country, and died in obscurity. That would have been a miserable couple of days walking out of those woods with the way he was equipped. We would have found body/money/something had he died. I'm almost positive he survived the jump. The walkout would have been unpleasant, but not lethal. I do wonder what his plan was once he was on the ground. With no GPS back then, it would have been damn hard for him to know where he was. They did find money, nearly a decade later downriver. Even today folks that take wrong turns on the state highways out on the wetside of Washington in winter end up dead. Be even worse to parachute in, with the near solid tree cover in many areas he'd stand a high chance of getting badly injured or hung up. Not to mention the terrain and elevation changes around there. You ever been in that area? Lots of folks go missing out there. I'd hate to be out in that, disoriented and injured in the dark. In winter. Lots of folks just seem to get swallowed up in that area, easy to imagine that a body wouldn't ever be found except by scavengers. Been there many times, and it's rough country for sure. But to go this long without any sign of him? The whole thing with the money is just bizarre, and it's possible, even likely, that it was planted years later... But by whom? And why? I suppose it's possible he never got the chute opened, and just angered in somewhere, But that doesn't really explain the money... But if he did get the chute open, I think we would have found him, had he died. What seems most odd to me is what his plan was once he was on the ground. No way could he have known where he was, unless he was very skilled with navigation. Up to that point, he seemed to have a pretty complete plan. |
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