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Posted: 9/9/2004 2:59:05 PM EST
I worked in the ghetto for two and a half years, and I still have to drive through from time to time. I also grew up in the South, and have seen plenty of trailer parks and such. I also grew up in a family with not a whole ton of money, where my folks watched pretty much every penny.

What I don't get, to this day, is why the poor are dirty. OK, bums I get, they don't have access to things like soap and showers. But your average power or "lower class" person? Shouldn't they be able to do laundry and brush their teeth from time to time? The way I figure it, it's one of three things:

1) They really are so dirt poor that things like wasting water on showers and laundry soap, and toothpaste and a bar of dial.

2) They just work "dirty" jobs, and I keep missing them when they are cleaned up. I only ever see them on their way home from work, and I'm mistaking the whole thing.

3) It's an indicator of why they are poor. It's indicative of the type of mentality that makes and keeps them poor. The type of person who can't generate enough self respect to take a shower is the same type of person that can't generate enough self respect to improve themselves, or have goals, or want to do something even remotely productive with their lives.
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 3:02:22 PM EST
I would vote for number 3. not sure but my guess.
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 3:04:04 PM EST
3)
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 3:04:41 PM EST
I vote #3, while I was growing up, after my parents divorced, we had nothing as far as money was concerned, but my mom, brother, and I, always managed to be clean and wear clean clothes. Some of the clothes we wore were a little tattered, but they were ALWAYS clean, as were we.
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 3:05:03 PM EST
Number 3.

Trust me.
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 3:07:22 PM EST
The answer is yes. I know examples where 1,2 and 3 are predominant, although they are all in play for each.
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 3:08:22 PM EST
I think I'll have to pick whats behind door number three.
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 3:11:42 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/9/2004 3:16:27 PM EST by AILapua]
(3)
As an employer, I have seen many people that are dirt poor and filthy, this I find unacceptable. I have also seen people needing my assistance to get home from an (our) interview that were most personable in their appearance. This, I have no problem with, if they have the qualifications, they will be the first hired, but, I digress.

Edited to add: With my first line of text, I should have been more clear, it is the 'filthy' that I find unacceptable.
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 3:14:49 PM EST

They just work "dirty" jobs

That was my problem for decades. I looked like a bum after leaving work each day from a nasty mix of oil and lint. Later I worked as an electrician literally digging ditches. Everything I owned ended-up with red dust from the local red clay. Even the clothes and shoes I didn't wear to work. I always looked bad on the way to work, at work, and especially on the way home.

Back to #1, when my clothes were always dirty, stained, or ripped from work, keeping the rest of myself clean just didn't seem as important. Why take a shower twice a day and shave each day if my clothes always look terrible? Part of it is just human nature.z
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 3:15:28 PM EST
My family was poor, there where 8 of us living in a lower Manhattan tenement but we always manged to buy things like soap, we didn't have luxuries like a color tv or toys but we had the basics and made our own toys
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 3:18:36 PM EST
I'd go with #2.
Not all poor people are poor because they don't work hard enough (at least here)
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 3:19:20 PM EST

Originally Posted By zoom:

Back to #1, when my clothes were always dirty, stained, or ripped from work, keeping the rest of myself clean just didn't seem as important. Why take a shower twice a day and shave each day if my clothes always look terrible? Part of it is just human nature.z



This is something I've noticed at work (I'm a construction project manager). I see alot of guys that just seem to have the "I'm just going to get dirty again tomorrow" attitude. Ironically the companies that I think of as the go-to guys are the ones who send their guys out in uniforms every day, with clean trucks, and quality equipment. Ironic that companies and people share that quality.


I used to be a punk-rocker with an 8" green mohawk and safety pins and spikes and shit. There are alot of punks out there that seem to think that stinking to high heaven is part of the schtick. I had to be the cleanest and neatest punk going, haha.
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 3:20:41 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/9/2004 3:21:03 PM EST by EricTheHun]
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 3:20:48 PM EST

#3-

I work on a street that has to cleaned 4 DAYS A WEEK with street sweepers (not the good kind).
I watch people eating a bag of chips and the bag immediately is dropped wherever they stand. Losing scratchoff Lottery tickets, ripped up and thrown in the steet.

I cant ever get a parking space because hardly anybody on the street works. Yet they all have cars. Some of these cars are, and I shit you not,-Mercedes', Jaguars' and Cadillac's.

Aint Socialism Great?
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 3:20:50 PM EST
I don't know. I am sure it depends on the person. Some may look dirty but they really arent. Just decades of hard work and the sun leathring their skin.

Some simply are homeless others just lazy.
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 3:37:42 PM EST
Maybe because there's no government program for that.
Add that to the skerry agenda.
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 4:38:15 PM EST
needs a poll
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 4:40:22 PM EST
Step away from the mirror
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 4:42:46 PM EST
Maybe you're just BETTER than them?

I mean obviously money is the deciding factor of how good a person one is according to many of you.

Sgatr15
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 4:47:12 PM EST

Originally Posted By sgtar15:
Maybe you're just BETTER than them?

I mean obviously money is the deciding factor of how good a person one is according to many of you.

Sgatr15



Where did anyone say that?

I used to know a guy who was once homeless. He and his wife met "on the streets" and pulled themselves up by their bootstraps one step at a time. They were some of the most interesting and best people I have ever met in my life. I probably make more today than they did combined 10 years ago, but they were amazing people and I always went out of my way to spend time with them.

Money has little to do with it. However, if you can't have a little self respect and brush your teeth, wash your clothes, and try to better yourself I have little use or time for you.
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 4:55:09 PM EST
I deal with this situation every day. While there are examples of #2, very few examples of #1, there are tons of #3's. I could give huge numbers of folks that were handed the keys to a clean, well maintained apartment and within 1 month it looks trashed and so do they. I had one guy look me in the eye (while he stank big time) that his apartment was clean. I was looking at his filthy kitchen at the time. I have come across many a person who was never taught what clean meant, much less how do get that way. Its a matter of how many were raised, you aren't born knowing how to take care of yourself. BTW I can and have provided pictures along these lines.
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 4:56:10 PM EST
#3.

It's a mindset with "these" people. My house is surronded by "them" now. Big homes that go under HUD; divided into four apartments with welfare Mom and Boyfriend plus four kids. HUD killed my neighborhood.

My Grandparents were depression poor but kept their house neat and their clothes clean. I learned much from them. I still save rubber bands.
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 5:00:04 PM EST
It's number 3, and it's because they are basically sorry and too lazy to do much but get by. That would be okay if the taxpayers didn't have to support their useless asses.

I grew up poor in southwest Missouri, but I was always clean, and I might have had a patch on my jeans, and the house was spotless. My dad's business was open 6 days a week, 52 weeks a year. Here is what I did - cut the apron strings (the inability to do this is a common problem in large cities or small towns), got out of town (dead end jobs when you can find one), and got an education (my sister, a first cousin, and myself were the first in our immediate family to ever finish college, engineers all).

Looks have nothing to do with the topic, either. Dirty and sorry is dirty and sorry, regardless of any other characteristics.
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 5:01:32 PM EST
I grew up in rural VA, and a few of my schoolmates didn't have indoor plumbing yet. It's a 1 & 3 combination. The 1's if they have any brain, will try and overcome. If they cannot beat their environment, they become a 3. We actually had a teacher who would pull kids aside who were 1's and give them the info that their parents seemed incapable of doing because of poverty, lack of education, or plain old neglect. He'd inform them that they had a problem, but would help out by staying late and keeping the gym locker rooms open after school so that these kids could use the facilities. This was not that long ago, early '80s to be exact. Today, that would never happen, hell child protective services would be called instead.
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 5:03:28 PM EST

Originally Posted By sgtar15:
Maybe you're just BETTER than them?

I mean obviously money is the deciding factor of how good a person one is according to many of you.

Sgatr15



It's got nothing to do with money at all. It has to do with self respect and dignity. Plenty of people are poor and clean. While some are rich and dirty.
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 5:12:05 PM EST
#3. Plain and simple. I've known MORE than enough people who are clean and self-respecting, despite living in poverty to know that the filthy poor are that way primarily because either a) that's their choice of lifestyle or b) they are very mentally ill. Squalor is NOT caused by poverty. It's an indication of one's character and life decisions.

You don't have to have money to keep a yard neat. It doesn't take assets to get rid of trash. There's no excuse for going without a bath for a long time. There are some who may get my sympathy, but those are few and far between.
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 5:14:45 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/9/2004 5:23:05 PM EST by skid2964]
I say no. 3, the not enough money for soap option doesnt work, they ALWAYS have enough for beer and cigarettes!
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 5:15:28 PM EST
No doubt about it...

#3

- BG
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 5:21:43 PM EST
Well, to be honest, if you see me any day during the week you'd probably just thing I'm poor and dirty.

I don't dress up, because I'd just ruin my clothes at work. Still keep clean shaven though, and short cropped hair. But when I am at lunch, or on the way home, I am FILTHY. Especially during the summer months. Then I'm dirty, sweaty, smelly, and SOAKED with sweat enough that I could ring my clothes out.

I get the stares, and people don't want to be close to me. They judge me for it. And you know what?

I could give two shits!

Ok, I take that back, I do care to some degree because I don't enjoy being filthy in public. But not enought to worry about it because it's simply what I do for a living.

I make good money, and have no shame about working hard for a living.



All that being said, I was poor for a LARGE portion of my life, and ALWAYS kept clean clothes and a clean appearance (when not at work of course ..).

You are correct about people who are poor, but obviously just don't give a shit. You can be poor, and not look/smell like a fucking scumbag.

Link Posted: 9/9/2004 5:31:40 PM EST
I am very poor but very clean...

People are products of their own decisions.

MT
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 5:37:40 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 5:46:42 PM EST
#3. My mom grew up on a small poor farm at the tail end of the Depression and that household which had no electricity, vaccum cleaner, or washing machine was cleaner than my home by far. All clothes were boiled, baths were required, cleaning was a never-ending process, etc. Grandpa had a farmyard set of clothes and an indoor set of clothes and the clothes were changed at the back door of the house.

GunLvr
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 5:48:14 PM EST
too lazy to clean implies too lazy to work hard and become not poor
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 5:49:48 PM EST
Soap is cheap, water is free or almost so in this country, the only reason to be dirty is lazyness. Period
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 5:50:23 PM EST

Originally Posted By norman74:

3) It's an indicator of why they are poor. It's indicative of the type of mentality that makes and keeps them poor. The type of person who can't generate enough self respect to take a shower is the same type of person that can't generate enough self respect to improve themselves, or have goals, or want to do something even remotely productive with their lives.




Whoop there it is!!!!
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 5:52:21 PM EST
#3 no question about it. It is a mentality. Poor are generally poor for a reason. Too lazy to study, too lazy to work, too lazy to apply themselves.
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 5:58:09 PM EST
add a poll

#3
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 8:42:54 PM EST

Originally Posted By DWFAN:
#3-

I work on a street that has to cleaned 4 DAYS A WEEK with street sweepers (not the good kind).
I watch people eating a bag of chips and the bag immediately is dropped wherever they stand. Losing scratchoff Lottery tickets, ripped up and thrown in the steet.

I cant ever get a parking space because hardly anybody on the street works. Yet they all have cars. Some of these cars are, and I shit you not,-Mercedes', Jaguars' and Cadillac's.

Aint Socialism Great?



Saw that alot in Pittsburgh and to a lesser extent in Buffalo. Escalades, lexus SUVs etc parked outside houses worth half what teh car is. It is either from a settlement ("workers comp", lawsuit), social services fraud (foodstamps, popping out more kids for more cash), or drugs.

S.O.
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 8:43:45 PM EST

Originally Posted By DWFAN:
#3-

I work on a street that has to cleaned 4 DAYS A WEEK with street sweepers (not the good kind).
I watch people eating a bag of chips and the bag immediately is dropped wherever they stand. Losing scratchoff Lottery tickets, ripped up and thrown in the steet.

I cant ever get a parking space because hardly anybody on the street works. Yet they all have cars. Some of these cars are, and I shit you not,-Mercedes', Jaguars' and Cadillac's.

Aint Socialism Great?



Saw that alot in Pittsburgh and to a lesser extent in Buffalo. Escalades, lexus SUVs etc parked outside houses worth half what teh car is. It is either from a settlement ("workers comp", lawsuit), social services fraud (foodstamps, popping out more kids for more cash), or drugs.

S.O.
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 8:53:31 PM EST

Originally Posted By SorryOciffer:

Originally Posted By DWFAN:
#3-

I work on a street that has to cleaned 4 DAYS A WEEK with street sweepers (not the good kind).
I watch people eating a bag of chips and the bag immediately is dropped wherever they stand. Losing scratchoff Lottery tickets, ripped up and thrown in the steet.

I cant ever get a parking space because hardly anybody on the street works. Yet they all have cars. Some of these cars are, and I shit you not,-Mercedes', Jaguars' and Cadillac's.

Aint Socialism Great?



Saw that alot in Pittsburgh and to a lesser extent in Buffalo. Escalades, lexus SUVs etc parked outside houses worth half what teh car is. It is either from a settlement ("workers comp", lawsuit), social services fraud (foodstamps, popping out more kids for more cash), or drugs.

S.O.



Saw that in Buffalo see that here alot too. People just dont give a damn unless they want to look good for something then you drive your Esclade down the the store/hair slaon that had a big sign saying WE ACCEPT EBT. Then go to the club. Rest of the time thy couldnt give a damn, they dont own where they live most of the time so they flush anything down the toilet and trash the place.

Myself I dont always look 100% but Im going to go to work overnight then sleep or Im doing something that is going to get my clothes dirty, then I will wear that same pair of pants 2 or 3 times.

If Im going somewhere where I need/want to look decent I will. But I dont change and shower to drive to Walmart and Autozone to get 3 things I need, becuase Im going back home and putting those brakepads on the car.
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 9:07:47 PM EST
#3

College students: for the most part, we're poor (unless we're still living on mommy and daddy's dime) BUT for the most part, we ain't filthy. Of course, we're also doing something in the hopes that someday we WON'T be poor, and most of us try not to live in shitholes, but if a shithole is all you can afford, well, then you live there. </student housing rant>
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 9:08:55 PM EST

Originally Posted By norman74:

Originally Posted By zoom:

Back to #1, when my clothes were always dirty, stained, or ripped from work, keeping the rest of myself clean just didn't seem as important. Why take a shower twice a day and shave each day if my clothes always look terrible? Part of it is just human nature.z



This is something I've noticed at work (I'm a construction project manager). I see alot of guys that just seem to have the "I'm just going to get dirty again tomorrow" attitude. Ironically the companies that I think of as the go-to guys are the ones who send their guys out in uniforms every day, with clean trucks, and quality equipment. Ironic that companies and people share that quality.


I used to be a punk-rocker with an 8" green mohawk and safety pins and spikes and shit. There are alot of punks out there that seem to think that stinking to high heaven is part of the schtick. I had to be the cleanest and neatest punk going, haha.



I shower in the morning to wake up and when I get home to get clean. I change into clean clothes every night but wear the same work close every day. I pretty much never am clean shaven either. I clean the garbage and recepts out of my rig every night and keep the bed free of dirt and rocks, but rarely wash it.
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 9:13:20 PM EST
Judging from my friends who live as such, I would say it's #3.


Originally Posted By norman74:
I used to be a punk-rocker with an 8" green mohawk and safety pins and spikes and shit.



Heh, I never woulda guessed.
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 10:49:42 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/9/2004 10:50:19 PM EST by Rip_Roarin_Wacko]

Originally Posted By twonami:
My family was poor, there where 8 of us living in a lower Manhattan tenement but we always manged to buy things like soap, we didn't have luxuries like a color tv or toys but we had the basics and made our own toys


Toys like the fake soap pistols you always see in the movie prison breakouts? Are those legal in NYC?
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 10:51:08 PM EST

Originally Posted By Rip_Roarin_Wacko:

Originally Posted By twonami:
My family was poor, there where 8 of us living in a lower Manhattan tenement but we always manged to buy things like soap, we didn't have luxuries like a color tv or toys but we had the basics and made our own toys


Toys like the fake soap pistols you always see in the movie prison breakouts? Are those legal in NYC?



we made pre-ban rubber band guns out of rulers
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 10:57:38 PM EST
I have noticed just the opposite many many times. Some of the poorest, don't have a pot to piss in people and their children and home is very clean. They are just poor.

I have also seen lots of people with money and pretty nice houses that are filthy and you wouldn't let your dog sleep in the house.

Poor has nothing to do with dirty, it is the people who are dirty or clean.
Have I seen poor people who were dirty? Hell yes, but usually it is not why they are dirty.
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 11:23:27 PM EST
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