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Posted: 12/7/2003 7:01:47 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/7/2003 7:02:56 AM EDT by cyanide]
Raw meat shot at a temp of 36 degrees F.
round 9 mm frangible.



raw meat 86 degrees F
same round, same pistol



seems to be a big difference.

Link Posted: 12/7/2003 7:12:38 AM EDT
It's a new round composition being tested (but don't remember who developed it). It is designed to expand (and I think to fragment) in flesh above 85 degrees.
Link Posted: 12/7/2003 7:12:42 AM EDT
all rounds are variable in their effect. sometimes the hollowpoint fills in and acts like a fmj. other times it will open nicely and others it fragments. could be the meat was pulverized by the first round and flew apart on the second - the first might not have fragged.
Link Posted: 12/7/2003 7:15:43 AM EDT
Is that one of the RCBD or LeMas rounds?
Link Posted: 12/7/2003 7:17:00 AM EDT
Either way, "That's gonna leave a mark!"
Link Posted: 12/7/2003 7:22:56 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Jarhead_22: Is that one of the RCBD or LeMas rounds?
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Sorry I should have shown the round that was alledged to have been used [img]http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-3/141064/greenBox.jpg[/img]
Link Posted: 12/7/2003 7:27:15 AM EDT
Originally Posted By cyanide:
Originally Posted By Jarhead_22: Is that one of the RCBD or LeMas rounds?
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Sorry I should have shown the round that was alledged to have been used [url]http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-3/141064/greenBox.jpg[/url]
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Reduced Hazard? That's begging for a lawsuit.
Link Posted: 12/7/2003 7:49:51 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/7/2003 7:51:43 AM EDT by cyanide]
If the photo shoot is the real deal, seems a excellent round for home defense uses. edit to add: I do not buy into the Ayoob, be careful not to shoot them too hard, or you will be sued concept.
Link Posted: 12/7/2003 8:14:07 AM EDT
I think this is a gimmick. Dramatic, but ultimately of little merit. First, 36 deg. F is barely above freezing (32 deg. F). What does it really mean to compare shooting frozen meat to, well, shooting lukewarm meat. Second, if all you were interested in shooting was 10 pound chunks of meat, that'd be the cat's meow. Matter of fact, maybe *cats* would be an ideal test medium for this round! [;D] A 150 to 250 pound human is constructed a *little* differently than a 10# hunk of cow muscle. It seems 10% ordinance gelatin is likely to best simulate human tissue in assessing bullet effectiveness. See this thread at TacForums for a much better discussion than I could ever offer... [url]http://64.177.53.248/ubb/Forum78/HTML/000563.html[/url]
Link Posted: 12/7/2003 8:21:37 AM EDT
how can you be sure the photos were taken at the same time after impact in each case?
Link Posted: 12/7/2003 8:25:08 AM EDT
Originally Posted By DScott: Matter of fact, maybe *cats* would be an ideal test medium for this round! [;D]
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I've been trying to tell you people this for 3 years!! But does anyone ever listen to me? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! Sgtar15
Link Posted: 12/7/2003 8:38:50 AM EDT
Ya'l are warm, so to speak, as to the different effects shown. First pic of nearly frozen meat (remember the high water content of flesh) so it's going to be like shooting a block of ice, almost. Or bone. Pic 2 is a result of the expansion effect that's talked about in wound cavities. Warm flesh now has a ton of elasticity and the shock of the bullet caused the shown effect. Think abdominal cavity. Dramatic? Eh, I'd too would rather see ballistic gelatin.
Link Posted: 12/7/2003 8:59:31 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/7/2003 9:03:09 AM EDT by Noname]
Originally Posted By cyanide:
Originally Posted By Jarhead_22: Is that one of the RCBD or LeMas rounds?
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Sorry I should have shown the round that was alledged to have been used [url]http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-3/141064/greenBox.jpg[/url]
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Hmmmm... These photos using ([red]alleged[/red]) PMC ammo look just like the photos using the RBCD SPLP 9mm BMT ammo on this site. [url]http://www.lemasltd.com/1Shot/c9mmcoldnhotB.htm[/url]
Link Posted: 12/7/2003 9:12:21 AM EDT
looks like it would hurt
Link Posted: 12/7/2003 9:19:47 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/7/2003 9:20:49 AM EDT by DScott]
Yep. It's the RBCD thing again... Here's their .223 round... note that 25 centimeters is 10". Not much penetration for a .223! [img]http://www.lemasltd.com/1Shot/Image40.gif[/img]
Link Posted: 12/7/2003 11:18:12 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Noname:
Originally Posted By cyanide:
Originally Posted By Jarhead_22: Is that one of the RCBD or LeMas rounds?
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Sorry I should have shown the round that was alledged to have been used [url]http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-3/141064/greenBox.jpg[/url]
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Hmmmm... These photos using ([red]alleged[/red]) PMC ammo look just like the photos using the RBCD SPLP 9mm BMT ammo on this site. [url]http://www.lemasltd.com/1Shot/c9mmcoldnhotB.htm[/url]
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[b]Thanks, A friend sent me the pics and info in the E mail, and that was all I knew, I truly appreciate you clearing that/this up ---I will pass on to him the correct information, gotta love this site, the collective information here is amazing at times. Again thanks.[/b]
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