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Posted: 5/31/2008 5:09:23 PM EDT
Every time this topic comes up it turns into a retarded shouting match between the proponents of either the AR or the AK, so I've decided to leave them out. I've seen a few people that don't consider either one to be the best also, and would like to know which rifle they prefer.
I don't think I'm going to make a poll because I know there are a lot of choices and people will get butt hurt over their choice not being included (I am guilty of this too ). Anyways, excluding both AR and AK derivatives, what do you consider is the best rifle for all various types of warfare in all types of conditions. |
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Uh-oh.
I guess I've turned this into a flame war with the M14 vs. the FAL. |
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Not really. One was adopted by over 70 countries. The other wasn't. |
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And here we go. |
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They don't call it the right arm of the free world for nothing.
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Hrm. Pretty sure this falls into the derivative of the Kalashnikov design... No points for you Lol wut? I could have sworn you had a picture of a Galil, and now it appears that you've changed your opinion AGAIN!!! |
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FN FAL M-14 The FAL is lighter, has better ergonomics (if you like pistol-grips better; if you really prefer traditional grips, then the M-14 has the advantage), has a lot more accessories, is much easier to clean, repair, and maintain, and was adopted by over 70 nations. The M-14 has about equal reliability (though it's slightly pickier about ammo) and can, if you get the right make and model, exceed the FAL in accuracy. Both use 20-rnd magazines, and the FAL also has 30-rnd magazines available and can be set up as a light machine gun rather than a battle rifle or designated marksman's rifle. The M-14 was abandoned as a service weapon in the 1960's and has only recently been dragged out of mothballs as a semi-auto sniper/designated marksman rifle, where it kicks ass. The FAL is still in service with a number of militaries, and is more popular with US police departments than the M-14/M-1A because of its ergonomics and features. The M-14 was only adopted by the US, and they picked it over the FAL because it would be cheaper to produce domestically since it used a lot of the same parts as the M1 Garand and could be built on already existing machinery. The FAL, on the other hand, is known as the Right Hand of the Free World and is the only western military rifle to rival the AK-47 in numbers and popularity, though the M-16 series comes close. |
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There is no best. There are plenty of pro and cons for each rifle.
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FAL. If you don`t have one (or more) you won`t ever understand.
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"The FAL is still in service with a number of militaries, and is more popular with US police departments than the M-14/M-1A because of its ergonomics and features."
Huh? I was under the impression that until recently there were alot of LE departments that had real M14s on loan from the govt. and were only recalled like M14s from state rifle associations for use in the GWOT. I had no idea that there were US police depts. that used FAL's |
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I have seen a few FALs in some SWAT photos, but I don't know if they are very main stream though. |
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Galil, best of FAL and AK, preferably in 6.8 or similar, but 7.62x39 would be fine, too.
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Anything 7.62x51 is OUT as an option. The system is just too heavy for the modern battlefield. But if you just can't stand not fantasizing about the 1950s then please continue.
So I say XCR or SCAR. Yeah, they're unproven compared to most of the 5.56 guns out there, but they're both great designs. |
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Plastic meltfest with oversize and clumsy magazines. Looks cool on capital hill police and video games but not a tough rifle. |
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OK, I can see how that would be pure win. |
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So, based on your logic I am correct when I say the BHP is better than the 1911 Medium bore---m1 garand or bm59(or the galil/valmet but they are ak based so I won't) Small bore FNC |
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So it took you 5 seconds per shot with the AR? Ok. The best AR shooters would be hitting that steel three times per second. |
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DSA makes full-auto SBR FAL variants exclusively for law enforcement use. I've seen a few news photos of them in use with SWAT teams. I've also seen regular FAL's (both semi and full-auto) in use with the police. Anyone who says .308 rifles are obsolete for modern warfare has obviously never turned cover into concealment. |
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FN FAL hands down. m14 2nd...I would say Galil, but it's an AK clone. In a few years maybe some of the new wonder rifles may see widespread adoption...who knows, and then we'll be talking about how good they are.
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I'm thinking the SCAR or MASADA/ACR may well prive to be it.
If not, the 416 looks promising. -K |
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I have, and say they're obsolete. Its the best INFANTRY rifle. Infantry have heavy weapons to use when they need to shoot through stuff. |
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As you wish. Dang, I think I want one now! |
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416 is to the AR like the Galil is to the AK. |
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It's neither the AR-15/M-16 or the AKM/AKS 47 "CARBINES" silly............
EVERYONE KNOWS IT'S THE M-14/M1A!!!! Before i have to don nomex, please realize i have two AR's and two AK's, but they do not hold a candle to the shear DRT power of the .308!! Also to asnwer the question about FAL vs. M-14 those apples and oranges have already been squeezed out and CONARC felt they were equals overall. BTW, How do you top off an FAL Magazine between firings? oh thats right take it off the gun and play around finger loading it to top it off one round at a time. My M1A i just pull back and lock the bolt and shove the stripper down the slot and viola instant loadup!!! |
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