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Posted: 10/5/2005 8:07:58 PM EDT
I know this question has probably been asked a million times before. I have been hunting before but I actually only used a ar15 with a 7.62x39 colt upper for deer and pig. I am getting ready to move to oregon and I want to get into deer hunting and elk hunting more seriously. What caliber do you recomend that I can use for both, possibly even bear. I would like to purchase a riflel before I move in a few months. I almost purchased a savage 116 that was in 338 win mag. I wanted to ask you all what you thought.
Thanks
Brian
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 8:09:00 PM EDT
.38 and .22
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 8:11:29 PM EDT
50bmg... it'll kill anything in north america.
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 8:12:28 PM EDT
A 30.06 will take down a moose, too.
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 8:13:53 PM EDT
okok, come on man, Seriously. I am not a hard core hunter and want some serious advice.
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 8:14:01 PM EDT
7mm Remington Magnum in a Ruger 77 All-Weather.
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 8:17:41 PM EDT

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7mm Remington Magnum in a Ruger 77 All-Weather.



That is what I had, great light gun that will punish your shoulder a bit.  I moved to a remington vs .308 best move I ever made.
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 8:17:44 PM EDT

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7mm Remington Magnum in a Ruger 77 All-Weather.



White tail or mulies?

I favor an '06, but hey, whatever newfangled caliber you like would probably work too....

What's important is that you can hit the fucking deer in the right spot with a heavy enough slug to get through the shoulder and vitals......
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 8:18:35 PM EDT
25-06 what I use anyway

My father swears by his custom rifle built on a mauser action chambered for 6mm remington, never lost one yet.
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 8:19:02 PM EDT
.308, 7mm Remington Mag, 7mm WSM, 300 winchester mag and .300 WSM.

.338 is more than you need. .308 is better than 30-06, for several reasons, and the short mags are probably perfect for this.
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 8:19:09 PM EDT
You won't go wrong with a 270, 30-06, 7mm or 300 win. The 270 is a little small for elk in some peoples opinions. and the 300 is a little large for deer in some peoples opinion. I'd go with a 30-06 for the ammo availability
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 8:19:26 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 8:19:52 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 8:20:02 PM EDT
for both?

30-06 would cover both, but i would want a little more power on the elk

7mm mag and .300win mag would be another good choice for elk at longer ranges
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 8:21:04 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 8:22:30 PM EDT
I've downed elk at 300+ yards with a 30.06, no problem.
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 8:23:17 PM EDT

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Quoted:
25-06 what I use anyway

My father swears by his custom rifle built on a mauser action chambered for 6mm remington, never lost one yet.



For elk?



Yes elk in LA

Whitetails, my bad I should have specified

It's all about shot placement, I was always taught to shoot for the neck, for the quick take-down.
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 8:23:39 PM EDT
30-06 or 308, easy to find ammo, plenty of surplus to practice with, flat trajectory, not too bad on the shoulder. 30-06 can use slightly heavier bullets, but as far as power between the two you would never be able to tell the difference, and frankly neither could what your shooting at. They are both capable of taking down pretty much anything in NA, remember, shot placement is key.
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 8:25:11 PM EDT

Quoted:

Quoted:
25-06 what I use anyway

My father swears by his custom rifle built on a mauser action chambered for 6mm remington, never lost one yet.



For elk?



I am very wary of lightweight bullets at high velocities for a big game rifle. Best deer killer I ever had was a 7x57 Mauser. Thing will go through a 180 pound deer lengthwise and leave a hole the size of my fist.

Link Posted: 10/5/2005 8:26:09 PM EDT
Western or eastern oregon? Makes a difference.

In western Oregon you're going to be hunting in dense cover for the most part, very rare to get a shot over 150yds, 45/70 is a nice choice.

In eastern Oregon I recommend an old fashioned '06, more than enough for elk with the right load.

Most people use too much gun, I hunt everything in the region with a 30-06, but many people around here use a .243 for deer.

Stainless is nice, it's wet around here in season.

Edit-blowing a fist sized hole lengthwise through a deer is a fucking waste of meat. I do like exit wounds, makes it easier to track if they decide to bolt on you but you want it dead, not obliterated.
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 8:27:30 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 8:28:28 PM EDT
Thanks for the fast responses. Thanks for the advice. I really appreciate it.
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 8:29:20 PM EDT

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I am very wary of lightweight bullets at high velocities for a big game rifle. Best deer killer I ever had was a 7x57 Mauser. Thing will go through a 180 pound deer lengthwise and leave a hole the size of my fist.




I can understand your point, it's just when you've seen someone down a 172lb deer at 200+yds with a small bullet you tennd to stick with what works.

This not the case for everyone.
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 8:29:59 PM EDT

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.308 is better than 30-06, for several reasons, <snip>



I'd sure be interested in hearing them.  Oh, I don't care about the "short action" deal--1/4" shorter bolt throw is worth nothing in practical terms.  



Availability of milsurp or match ammo, availability in lightweight actions such as the Model Seven and in semi autos of good quality, smaller amount of powder makes for a lighter recoiling weapon with a slightly longer life, etc.

Add all of the little things together and the ONLY decent reason left to get the longer round is for use with 190+gr bullets--which most people never do anyway. If you cant kill it with a 175 or 180 you need a bigger gun.
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 8:31:47 PM EDT
50 cal... Not necessarily BMG. I have a 50 cal muzzleloader thats perfect for both.


One shot, One kill..
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 8:32:09 PM EDT
Why buy before you go? Do you even know where your going to hunt? Maybe it would be better to wait and do some research first
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 8:32:45 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 8:33:14 PM EDT
I prefer 2 calibers .308 and 7mm rem mag. The 7mm is way to much gun for white tails though excellent for elk and mule deer.
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 8:34:13 PM EDT

Quoted:

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I am very wary of lightweight bullets at high velocities for a big game rifle. Best deer killer I ever had was a 7x57 Mauser. Thing will go through a 180 pound deer lengthwise and leave a hole the size of my fist.




I can understand your point, it's just when you've seen someone down a 172lb deer at 200+yds with a small bullet you tennd to stick with what works.

This not the case for everyone.



Light bullets work great at long range.

Up close they fragment and ruin meat.

I learned the hard way.

A buddy of mine kills a few dozen head of big game yearly. His preference is for a heavy bullet, 175-225gr, at 2400-2800 fps, in 7mm, .30 cal or .35. I asked him why. He says its more reliable on game and penetrates better.

A wee bit on the heavy side for deer though. He uses 140s at 2800 IIRC from a 7x57 for deer sized game. He has a double for Africa too....
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 8:35:31 PM EDT
can't go wrong with a 300 win. mag
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 8:45:31 PM EDT
Don't be a wimp get the 338,I've been using one for 20 years and if you shoulder shoot them about 4 out of 5 won"t  go anywhere but DOWN! Load  some 225 grain hornady spire points to around 2700 and it will work on deer or elk.19 whitetails in the last  11 years must be doing something right.Just my 2 cents.
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 8:53:36 PM EDT
Good old America .30-'06.

Winchester Fail Safe ammo for the bigger stuff.
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 9:04:59 PM EDT
308 Winchester, just make sure you choose the right bullet for the right game.
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 9:06:01 PM EDT
300 Weatherby Magnum, hits harder tha 30.06 & has a flat trajectory like a .270.  Ammo availability has never been a problem for me.
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 11:29:50 PM EDT

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can't go wrong with a 300 win. mag




Yup - I bought one a few years back, after hunting with a .30-06 for a long time - and have never regretted that decision... Nothing against .30-06 or even .308 - they're both fine calibers, and will get the job done - but the .300WM is FAR more versatile... The 7mmMag is also a great cartridge, but the .300WM beats it in both frontal area and bullet weight choices...



   - georgestrings
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 11:31:32 PM EDT
20 gauge?
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 11:32:50 PM EDT

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20 gauge?



Link Posted: 10/5/2005 11:33:29 PM EDT
I carry several rifles when I go elk hunting.  Among them, a .338 Win Mag, and a .375 H&H.

For deer, I pretty much always use my .243 win.

As far as a caliber that will take both, .270 is a good choice (I have seen them drop a bull elk with ease), .280 Remington and .30-06 or .308 would be good also.
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 11:41:32 PM EDT
Im a big fan of 30-06 mostly becouse its been proven for a very long time, so many bullet weights are out there for it you can use it for damn near anything on Continent and odds are whereever you go from a major city to some po dunk not even a stoplight town, odds are you can find a shop with 30-06 in it.
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 11:42:34 PM EDT
doesn't anyone hunt with a shotgun?
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 11:42:47 PM EDT

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20 gauge?



Link Posted: 10/5/2005 11:43:46 PM EDT

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doesn't anyone hunt with a shotgun?



Uhhh.....no?
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 11:45:03 PM EDT
oh my bad then
Link Posted: 10/6/2005 12:21:58 AM EDT
.30-.338
Link Posted: 10/6/2005 1:58:24 AM EDT
 My preference ballistically would be the .300 Win Mag....more than enough punch to firmly hit an elk with the proper load and projectile combo ( assuming you do your part ) and also versitile enough to work on smaller game with the right load.

 However, many of the cailbers listed here are very good for elk and other smaller critters.  My big sticking point is the ACTION.  IMHO....QUALITY, MAUSER STYLE ACTION!!!!!
Link Posted: 10/6/2005 2:18:45 AM EDT

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okok, come on man, Seriously. I am not a hard core hunter and want some serious advice.



Deer is one thing and Elk are another,   7 mag for Elk ,  06 , 308, 270 ect for Deer.
Link Posted: 10/6/2005 3:40:23 AM EDT
30.06
Link Posted: 10/6/2005 3:51:04 AM EDT
I use a .270 for deer here in the east where the average buck will weigh in around 120-125#.  I suppose if I were to hunt elk I would either load up 150 partitions or failsafes or get a .338.
Link Posted: 10/6/2005 4:09:44 AM EDT
I'm a big fan of the 7mm Rem. Mag's and the .300 Winchester Mag's.

Either would be perfect.

HH
Link Posted: 10/6/2005 4:14:01 AM EDT
30-06 is a good choice, but the 35 Whelen has a nice heavy bullet and doesn't knock the crap out of your shoulder like the magnums.
Link Posted: 10/6/2005 4:25:24 AM EDT
Realy what it comes down to is having a good accurate gun using quality bullets that hold  their weight through impact to provide adequate penetration to the vitals.  The .270 series of rifles, .280/7mm's, large .30's (.308Win and up), and the .338WinMag are all good all around choices for hunting deer and elk.
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