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Posted: 10/28/2010 7:08:37 PM EDT
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IBTL
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Posted: 10/28/2010 7:10:22 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/28/2010 7:10:36 PM EDT
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nothing is different imho
but wtf do i know i am sure there are medical things that are different but i aint into the semantics of it. |
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Posted: 10/28/2010 7:10:53 PM EDT
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IBTL Haha, I guess the first post wins? Maybe this will save the other thread from being hijacked.... |
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Posted: 10/28/2010 7:12:31 PM EDT
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This is a bad subject to talk about.
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Posted: 10/28/2010 7:13:45 PM EDT
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location location location So abortion should be legal up to the day of birth? That is a valid viewpoint. But should one day really make the difference between legality and life in prison? |
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Posted: 10/28/2010 7:14:31 PM EDT
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This is a bad subject to talk about. This is GD. This happens almost weekly. |
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Posted: 10/28/2010 7:14:41 PM EDT
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6 months
Breathing and crying Dirty diapers A name A birth certificate |
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Posted: 10/28/2010 7:15:22 PM EDT
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A human life is a human life, from T=0 to T=death. Do human babies suddenly coalesce from cellular chaos at the legal time barrier? It's all bullshit. Justify killing however you like.
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Posted: 10/28/2010 7:19:46 PM EDT
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There isn't.
Both are babies. |
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Posted: 10/28/2010 7:22:19 PM EDT
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Abortion is the pagan sacrifice of an innocent child for the sins of the mother and father.
Personally, I find it repugnant and disgusting. To me it's an extension of the freedom from responsibility that the Libtards constantly push. Without responsibility, we are no better than the lowest of base animals. |
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Posted: 10/28/2010 7:25:44 PM EDT
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A human life is a human life, from T=0 to T=death. Do human babies suddenly coalesce from cellular chaos at the legal time barrier? It's all bullshit. Justify killing however you like. Quoted:
There isn't. Both are babies. That's a logical viewpoint. But does a petri dish full of eight cell zygotes have the same worth as breathing baby? |
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Posted: 10/28/2010 7:32:23 PM EDT
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oh yay another abortion style thread.
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Posted: 10/28/2010 7:32:27 PM EDT
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From what I can tell, anything on a type life support is not a human, and therefor ok to kill.
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Posted: 10/28/2010 7:36:53 PM EDT
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Fetus - can't survive outside its mother
Baby - can survive outside its mother |
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Posted: 10/28/2010 7:38:38 PM EDT
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6 months.
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Posted: 10/28/2010 7:40:50 PM EDT
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Fetus - can't survive outside its mother Baby - can survive outside its mother Survive by itself, or in some sort of pre-natal care unit? Quoted:
From what I can tell, anything on a type life support is not a human, and therefor ok to kill. What about people on dialysis? |
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Posted: 10/28/2010 7:41:13 PM EDT
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From what I can tell, anything on a type life support is not a human, and therefor ok to kill. 
If you were injured and needed an iron lung to live, but were otherwise fully conscious, you would no longer be human? |
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Posted: 10/28/2010 7:43:43 PM EDT
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Flavor.
- BG |
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Posted: 10/28/2010 7:45:02 PM EDT
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A human life is a human life, from T=0 to T=death. Do human babies suddenly coalesce from cellular chaos at the legal time barrier? It's all bullshit. Justify killing however you like. 
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Posted: 10/28/2010 7:46:14 PM EDT
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Is staking the castle nut really necessary. My Bushmaster didn't come with it staked. What do you guys think. Should I sell the Bushmaster and buy a Colt?
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Posted: 10/28/2010 7:46:21 PM EDT
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Fetus - can't survive outside its mother Baby - can survive outside its mother There are babies delivered at 23 weeks that have survived. The record is a little over 22 weeks I think. At the end of the day the topic boils down mostly to subjective views regarding when life begins. |
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Posted: 10/28/2010 7:47:13 PM EDT
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Fetus - can't survive outside its mother Baby - can survive outside its mother Survive by itself, or in some sort of pre-natal care unit? Quoted:
From what I can tell, anything on a type life support is not a human, and therefor ok to kill. What about people on dialysis? How about this neither is able to support itself. Both are reliant on adult support and supervision. |
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Posted: 10/28/2010 7:49:57 PM EDT
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Is staking the castle nut really necessary. My Bushmaster didn't come with it staked. What do you guys think. Should I sell the Bushmaster and buy a Colt? Colts are nice but expensive. Personally for the money a Colt will cost you I'd consider a Daniel Defense AR15 from AIM Surplus. |
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Posted: 10/28/2010 7:50:36 PM EDT
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6 months?
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Posted: 10/28/2010 7:51:59 PM EDT
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location location location So abortion should be legal up to the day of birth? That is a valid viewpoint. But should one day really make the difference between legality and life in prison? abortion is generally legal up to the moment of birth. Look up the term "partial birth abortion", and look up George Tiller (now deceased, but others have taken up his legacy) if you want to learn more. |
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Posted: 10/28/2010 7:53:20 PM EDT
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Fetus - can't survive outside its mother Baby - can survive outside its mother Not accurate. "Fetus" above about 23-24 weeks most certainly *can* survive outside its mother, and yet is still subject to being killed for the convenience of its mother. |
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Posted: 10/28/2010 7:58:44 PM EDT
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See what the marxist indoctrinators have done / ARE doing to our kids?
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Posted: 10/28/2010 7:58:48 PM EDT
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Quoted: From what I can tell, anything on a type life support is not a human, and therefor ok to kill. So basically, if you get sick and need synthetic drugs to keep on living, it's ok to kill you? What about food and air? Is that considered a "type of life support"? Very interested to find out what's in that head of yours, it's truly unique...  ETA: My opinion: there is no moral difference. Abortion is murder. |
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Posted: 10/28/2010 8:00:53 PM EDT
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Fetus - can't survive outside its mother Baby - can survive outside its mother There are babies delivered at 23 weeks that have survived. The record is a little over 22 weeks I think. At the end of the day the topic boils down mostly to subjective views regarding when life begins. I'm not really trying to debate when life begins. I just want to know what changes in 6 months to make the killing the thing go from being perfectly legal to life in prison. Some here say birth is that point, but if so, does 2 feet of location mean the difference between life in behind bars and another day at work? |
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Posted: 10/28/2010 8:01:29 PM EDT
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Is staking the castle nut really necessary. My Bushmaster didn't come with it staked. What do you guys think. Should I sell the Bushmaster and buy a Colt? Colts are nice but expensive. Personally for the money a Colt will cost you I'd consider a Daniel Defense AR15 from AIM Surplus. In Russia, guns hijack abortion thread. |
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Posted: 10/28/2010 8:03:46 PM EDT
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One is a parasite feeding on its host.
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Posted: 10/28/2010 8:06:19 PM EDT
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Join date: check
Post count: check What was your screen name before?? |
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Posted: 10/28/2010 8:21:44 PM EDT
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Quoted: Fetus - can't survive outside its mother Yet sometimes they do. Baby - can survive outside its mother Yet sometimes they can't. |
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Posted: 10/28/2010 8:23:05 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: A human life is a human life, from T=0 to T=death. Do human babies suddenly coalesce from cellular chaos at the legal time barrier? It's all bullshit. Justify killing however you like. Quoted: There isn't. Both are babies. That's a logical viewpoint. But does a petri dish full of eight cell zygotes have the same worth as breathing baby? My personal view is when the heartbeat starts. |
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Posted: 10/28/2010 8:26:42 PM EDT
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So... if it's legal to abort a fetus because the fetus is not: human, breathing, old enough, etc... then why is the father not allowed to abort the fetus? If the thinking that it is 'legal' because the fetus isn't a 'human being', why the disparity?
Father: I want an abortion. Mother: BUT IT'S MY BABY!!! = no abortion. Mother: I'm getting an abortion. Father: PLEASE don't kill my child. = abortion. Just some thoughts... |
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Posted: 10/28/2010 8:28:49 PM EDT
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I'm pro life some people on here are pro choice. No one is likely to convinve anyone else to change thier minds. Argue rant argue rant..... veiled name calling........ end thread.
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Posted: 10/28/2010 8:34:16 PM EDT
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My wife is 6 months pregnant, so the difference is.
right now she can't sleep In 6 months I won't sleep |
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Posted: 10/28/2010 8:35:34 PM EDT
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There isn't. Both are babies. That's a logical viewpoint. But does a petri dish full of eight cell zygotes have the same worth as breathing baby? My personal view is when the heartbeat starts. Seems like a good time point. Would killing a fetus that has a beating heart in the womb be considered murder? Quoted:
I'm pro life some people on here are pro choice. No one is likely to convinve anyone else to change thier minds. Argue rant argue rant..... veiled name calling........ end thread. Thank you for posting that. I am really not trying to convince anyone to change their mind. I just want to know the opinion and reasoning on a particular topic from both sides. An act that is completely legal on Monday carries the highest penalty on Tuesday? I personally think that life in prison for a 3 month old is a steep sentence when we consider the current laws on abortion. |
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Posted: 10/28/2010 8:40:54 PM EDT
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If it keeps the population of liberals down, I'm generally for it.
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Posted: 10/28/2010 8:43:13 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: There isn't. Both are babies. That's a logical viewpoint. But does a petri dish full of eight cell zygotes have the same worth as breathing baby? My personal view is when the heartbeat starts. Seems like a good time point. Would killing a fetus that has a beating heart in the womb be considered murder? Quoted: I'm pro life some people on here are pro choice. No one is likely to convinve anyone else to change thier minds. Argue rant argue rant..... veiled name calling........ end thread. Thank you for posting that. I am really not trying to convince anyone to change their mind. I just want to know the opinion and reasoning on a particular topic from both sides. An act that is completely legal on Monday carries the highest penalty on Tuesday? I personally think that life in prison for a 3 month old is a steep sentence when we consider the current laws on abortion. If you knowingly end the life of that fetus, I say yes. I'm pragmatic enough to know that politically the issue should be left up to each state. While I do know that would effectively mean it was legal for the whole country, it allows each state to make its own decision (at least to the practice within its borders) and it also follows the Constitution. |
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Posted: 10/28/2010 8:44:52 PM EDT
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location location location So abortion should be legal up to the day of birth? That is a valid viewpoint. But should one day really make the difference between legality and life in prison? Legally speaking it is legal to drive 65 mph on the interstate and at 66 mph you are a law breaker. We draw arbitrary lines all the time. |
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Posted: 10/28/2010 8:54:25 PM EDT
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Government cannot even prove it's ability to add up a few sets of numbers and come out with a consistent plan on how to keep from going broke, let alone deliver my mail on budget, or secure our borders.
A government so inept at doing what it was chartered to do has absolutely no business involving itself in the matter of abortion, which is beyond it's power to regulate or legislate on. |
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Posted: 10/28/2010 8:58:49 PM EDT
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Quoted: I just want to say this:Quoted: Seems like a good time point. Would killing a fetus that has a beating heart in the womb be considered murder?Quoted: My personal view is when the heartbeat starts.Quoted: That's a logical viewpoint. But does a petri dish full of eight cell zygotes have the same worth as breathing baby?There isn't. Both are babies. Quoted: I'm pro life some people on here are pro choice. No one is likely to convinve anyone else to change thier minds. Argue rant argue rant..... veiled name calling........ end thread. Thank you for posting that. I am really not trying to convince anyone to change their mind. I just want to know the opinion and reasoning on a particular topic from both sides. An act that is completely legal on Monday carries the highest penalty on Tuesday? I personally think that life in prison for a 3 month old is a steep sentence when we consider the current laws on abortion. All other things being equal, if the sentence for the murder of a human being can be adjusted due to the age of the victim, there will be no end to the arbitrary lines drawn in law for adjusting sentences based on the perceived worth of a human being. Just think about all the aspects of human worth that could be argued in order to establish those lines. |
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Posted: 10/28/2010 9:00:29 PM EDT
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Personally, I feel that the fetus is a human as soon as it has a heartbeat. Our legal system is fucked up concerning this issue. Just googled murder of a fetus and there are a lot of states with a fetal homicide laws. President Bush passed a federal law regarding the issue. Here is the fucked up part. A fetus isnt considered a human yet and the latin meaning of homicide is basically to kill a human. So in essence it is alright for a woman to kill a fetus but same said fetus becomes a human when it is killed by someone else.
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Posted: 10/28/2010 9:00:40 PM EDT
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the difference is roughly 87 months i believe.
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Posted: 10/28/2010 9:11:15 PM EDT
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I just want to say this: All other things being equal, if the sentence for the murder of a human being can be adjusted due to the age of the victim, there will be no end to the arbitrary lines drawn in law for adjusting sentences based on the perceived worth of a human being. Just think about all the aspects of human worth that could be argued in order to establish those lines. I feel it should be treated case by case. For example, one drug dealer killing another over a deal gone bad should not be the same as a husband who gets mad at his wife, who is a pediatrician, and shoots her in the head. |
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Posted: 10/28/2010 9:13:15 PM EDT
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location location location So abortion should be legal up to the day of birth? That is a valid viewpoint. But should one day really make the difference between legality and life in prison? Legally speaking it is legal to drive 65 mph on the interstate and at 66 mph you are a law breaker. We draw arbitrary lines all the time. The difference between the punishment for a speeding ticket and a murder is great. I don't think we draw arbitrary lines when such grave penalties are involved. |
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Posted: 10/28/2010 9:14:49 PM EDT
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There isn't. Both are babies. That's a logical viewpoint. But does a petri dish full of eight cell zygotes have the same worth as breathing baby? My personal view is when the heartbeat starts. Seems like a good time point. Would killing a fetus that has a beating heart in the womb be considered murder? If you knowingly end the life of that fetus, I say yes. I'm pragmatic enough to know that politically the issue should be left up to each state. While I do know that would effectively mean it was legal for the whole country, it allows each state to make its own decision (at least to the practice within its borders) and it also follows the Constitution. That is a very consistant view. Thank you for sharing. |
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Posted: 10/28/2010 9:19:04 PM EDT
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If killing babies make you feel good , then this is the thread for you.
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