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Posted: 8/16/2005 10:41:06 AM EDT
Are these "settlers" being evicted from houses and neighborhoods? or tent cities?
If they are being moved out of their homes, are they being reimbursed by Isreal?
What is the whole story?
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 10:45:22 AM EDT
btt..


cause i wanna know also ,,,
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 10:46:42 AM EDT
They're all moving to Ohio.
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 10:50:19 AM EDT
Thye are watching the news and getting ready for bed
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 10:54:07 AM EDT
Israel is "giving back" Gaza to the Pali's.
Settlements are being cleared and the evicted will be reimbursed.
Hezbollah will move into Gaza and use it as a base of offensive operations.

By the end of the year, Israel will be bombing Gaza.
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 10:54:52 AM EDT

Originally Posted By osprey21:
They're all moving to Ohio.



Ohio's tough. They kicked the Mormon's out for trying to pass $3 bills, now you think they'll take Israeli settlers?
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 10:57:25 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 4:56:05 AM EDT
Thanks vito.
As usual, you are a wealth of information (or at least a good pointer)

That doesn't sound too terrible, other than losing your hometown/territory under durress.

So is $250000 enough to purchase a new home elsewhere? or are prices like in California, where 500,000 gets you a "starter" home?
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 4:58:12 AM EDT

Originally Posted By SJSAMPLE:
Israel is "giving back" Gaza to the Pali's.
Settlements are being cleared and the evicted will be reimbursed.
Hezbollah will move into Gaza and use it as a base of offensive operations.

By the end of the year, Israel will be bombing Gaza.



That sums it up quite nicely.

HH
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 5:52:45 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/17/2005 6:08:32 AM EDT by vito113]
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 5:57:06 AM EDT
Israel is asking our Congress for 2.8bil to help with the movement of these settlers.
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 6:05:04 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 6:07:17 AM EDT

Originally Posted By vito113:
They get compensation, they are rehoused in temporary accommodation by the Government who is footing the tab for removing them.


An average family can expect to receive about $250,000 (£140,000) compensation, depending on house size, the number of children and length of residence in the occupied territories.



FAMILY COMPENSATION PACKAGE
$1,000 per square metre of home
$50,000 for land around home
$1,000 per head for each year of residence (children included)
Moving costs up to $5,000
Half a year's salary if made redundant
Two years' rent following relocation
$30,000 loan for staying in new home

On top of that there are removals expenses, two years' free rent, redundancy compensation and what Mr Altman calls a "bonus" of $30,000 if the family stays put in a community being established to house them.

Farmers will receive an extra amount for leaving the land they have worked, that under a complex calculation could increase the sum to $400,000.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4151742.stm



So in other words, the US taxpayers are paying them off....again.....BTW I see the Isrealis want another 2.2 billion in aid annually in addition to the already 2.3 billion......
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 6:24:14 AM EDT

Originally Posted By VTwin60:
So in other words, the US taxpayers are paying them off....again.....BTW I see the Isrealis want another 2.2 billion in aid annually in addition to the already 2.3 billion......



Well, considering that we brokered this deal,
I'd say we should pay.
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 6:29:51 AM EDT
Man..I can see the headlines now

"In recent news Isreal is facing a severe housing bubble and prices are well above the appraised values." The US will be expected to step in and offer $$$ to cover all of the default mortgages on the new homes. I am sure FOX news will be willing to keep hourly tabs on home values in Isreal to ensure that widespread paranoia is kept to a fever pitch.

Funny thing, we can help another nation move some pilgrims...yet we cannot put our own citizens under a roof?
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 6:30:43 AM EDT
if they move out now they get money. if they are 'escorted out' during the 48 hour pullout they get less. If they are forced out they get nothing. (numbers so far look like 65%, 20% and 15% respectively)...

I have NO OPINION on the pullout so don't ask just cause I'm jewish. I feel nothing. I look at this from a security standpoint.

The old method of planting settlements (no matter how built up) AMONG the enemy is impossible to maintain in an age of instant communications (so it's not like we are breaking their lines of communication) and media coverage (so it's not like we can pretend its not a huge prison, which it is). A border is much easier defended. period. That's what i see as a security standpoint....

Now the reason behind it is simpler than people think. The ideologues thinkn that Sharon is gonna pull out then some dumb Gazan will attack Israel, then Sharon will go and say Gaza has attacked Israel and he will go in in force and kill em all. Not gonna happen. If the PA is responsible for Gaza to the that extent, then the PA is also entitled to a multi-mile territorial extension of border, especialy at sea, which Israel will never allow.

The real reason is the classic game of pre-emption. I got news for you, most secular voting Israelis don't give a shit about gaza. Sharon lost very little here, Bibi was gonna run sooner or later (even though he was GREAT in finance, where the real problems of the country are) and Sharon wasn't counting on the hard right vote anyway after numerous 'cease-fires' and halting the PUBLIC targetted killings. What Israelis, and Sharon and Bibi and Bibi's suporters DO care about is Judea and Samaria. There are settlements there as big, developed and populated as any suburb in america and Israel will never leave those. He needs to redefine the green line to include ALL those towns and cities and that is gonna require alot of international political capital. That's why there are so many pictures coming out of Gaza now. He needs to show the world how 'painful' it is to do this so that he can magnify this relatively tiny act into a HUGE bargaining chip for later. Media blackouts are easy in Israel. the proliferation of heartwrenching pics are being allowed for a reason.

Furthermore, any attacks coming from Gaza now will also be used as chips to say 'we will not pull out of Judea and Samaria, where teh border will be inches away from huge settled Jewish cities and towns, because look what happened when we pulled out of Gaza miles away from any Jews!'... Nobody expects Gaza to erupt into anything but chaos and insanity as the arabs turn on themselves. Gazans are celebratig what, that Jews are pulling out of 10 3-acre settlements and two mediam sized villages? No Arabs lived in netzarim or eve dekalim, were kicked out and are now returning. They are celebrating cause now the Israelis can't keep Hamas in line enough for fatah to maintain control. Fatah is doomed and expect a massive first strike from Dahlan against Hamas (with MUCH of our suport by the way.. the CIA loves him - I personally think he's the only hope the PA has).

In terms of the true motive, in the end it's all just a huge PR stunt in preperation for the real issue, the west bank. Everyone blames the Israeli's for being way behind the Arabs in terms of PR, but they are thinking miles ahead, not just footsteps. Sharon gets to a) be perceived as taking a 'hit' for peace b) watch Gaza descend into chaos and c) secure the massive center of Israeli voters d) ensure that any Judea Samaria pullout will be on his terms.

That's all. :-)

Link Posted: 8/17/2005 6:33:47 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Flyfishing26:
Funny thing, we can help another nation move some pilgrims...yet we cannot put our own citizens under a roof?


These people are already "under-roof". They want to be. They worked hard for a home, and it is being taken from them

Our people who are not "under-roof" for the most part are too lazy, and do not care to own a home, even when you give themhousing, they destroy it. (section 8 housing)

As for the US paying, I don't like that part.
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 6:36:40 AM EDT
Good post chapper, thanks for writing that up.
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 6:37:10 AM EDT
chapperjoe, thanks.
And FOX and CNN should have you on for a 15 minute segment.
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 6:47:40 AM EDT
As much as I believe in the right of Israel to all of the land in Gaza, Samaria, and Judea, (and frankly well beyond that,) no one wants the Arabs who occupy the land. (I hesistate to call them "Palestinians.")

Even the Arab countries don't want them. Who would want an influx of 1.4 million poverty stricken ready made victims with 100K+ of them who are terrorists? The other Arab countries didn't want them in '48 when THEY told them to flee their homes, and they don't want them now that they have bred themselves into a population of over a million. Even though Jordan was the land designated for the "Palestinian" Arabs, even Jordan doesn't want them.

So, as absolutely wrong as I believe Bush (I disagree vehemently with Bush over this) and Sharon are to go down this path, I think it's temporary. The Islamists aren't going to back off their lust for Jewish blood and Israel, I hope, will tell the US to piss off and actually defend themselves. The Islamists see this as a victory, which really, it is, and Bush and Sharon handed it to them.

Back when Sharon was a General in the IDF, his philosophy regarding settlements in land taken during the wars was MUCH different. How he came to this point, 180 degrees from his former opinions, outside the influence of the morons in the US State Department, I do not know.


Link Posted: 8/17/2005 6:52:24 AM EDT
Looking at it this morning on Fox made me wonder about our own government and if they tried to do that here...
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 6:54:48 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Jack19:

Back when Sharon was a General in the IDF, his philosophy regarding settlements in land taken during the wars was MUCH different. How he came to this point, 180 degrees from his former opinions, outside the influence of the morons in the US State Department, I do not know.





Politics does f'ed up things to warriors: Rabin, Peres, Sharon.....
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 7:10:04 AM EDT
good analysis Chapper.

My first impulse though is whenever I see something that makes a Palestinian celebrate then it's a bad thing. Hope the chaos and insanity part happens. Those pukes burned too many American flags to allow me to give a shit about them.
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 7:17:35 AM EDT

Originally Posted By AssaultRifler:
good analysis Chapper.

My first impulse though is whenever I see something that makes a Palestinian celebrate then it's a bad thing. Hope the chaos and insanity part happens. Those pukes burned too many American flags to allow me to give a shit about them.



After I saw those monkeys dancing around on 9-11 I told myself I would never support Palestinians again.
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 7:19:49 AM EDT

Originally Posted By osprey21:
They're all moving to Ohio.



Ohhh great, like we don't have enough problems.
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 7:26:17 AM EDT
Wow! If that's how much a "peace settlement" costs, we might as well go for all out war! It might be cheaper in the long run and won't take up as much time.
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 7:50:00 AM EDT

Originally Posted By chapperjoe:

Originally Posted By Jack19:

Back when Sharon was a General in the IDF, his philosophy regarding settlements in land taken during the wars was MUCH different. How he came to this point, 180 degrees from his former opinions, outside the influence of the morons in the US State Department, I do not know.





Politics does f'ed up things to warriors: Rabin, Peres, Sharon.....



Yeah, you're right. I just hope it doesn't cost too many lives.

ג וַאֲבָרְכָה, מְבָרְכֶיךָ, וּמְקַלֶּלְךָ, אָאֹר; וְנִבְרְכוּ בְךָ,
כֹּל מִשְׁפְּחֹת הָאֲדָמָה.

Link Posted: 8/17/2005 7:57:43 AM EDT
Correct me if I'm wrong, but as bad as this is, you have to admit it's a good move by Israel.

The more and more people kick and scream they don't want to give up their homes the more world wide airtime this will get.

The more worldwide airtime this gets, the more people will realize Isreal is really trying to make things happen with the pali's and the opposite isn't true.

The more people realize they are trying to work with the pali's the less they will care when Israel pulls the gloves off after Hezballa STILL attacks Israel even though the Israeli's are trying.

It's almost like a PR move but at it's own citizen's expense.

Link Posted: 8/17/2005 7:58:29 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 9:06:12 AM EDT
Sounds like Suter and his 'Eminent Domain' posse have given Israel some pointers....just take whatever land you want...
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 9:28:16 AM EDT

Originally Posted By pcsutton:
Sounds like Suter and his 'Eminent Domain' posse have given Israel some pointers....just take whatever land you want...



Are you really not familiar with the '48, '56, '67, and '73 wars?
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 9:37:45 AM EDT

Originally Posted By ASNixon:
Israel is asking our Congress for 2.8bil to help with the movement of these settlers.



That is a damn dirty lie. I read it was a lie on arfcom.

The US is not funding this shit....these are not the droids you are looking for...Israel is our friend....Hail Baby.....move along.

Link Posted: 8/17/2005 11:26:07 AM EDT

Originally Posted By MillerSHO:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but as bad as this is, you have to admit it's a good move by Israel.

The more and more people kick and scream they don't want to give up their homes the more world wide airtime this will get.

The more worldwide airtime this gets, the more people will realize Isreal is really trying to make things happen with the pali's and the opposite isn't true.

The more people realize they are trying to work with the pali's the less they will care when Israel pulls the gloves off after Hezballa STILL attacks Israel even though the Israeli's are trying.

It's almost like a PR move but at it's own citizen's expense.




this is a modern day altelana if you think about it.
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 3:03:30 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Jack19:

Originally Posted By pcsutton:
Sounds like Suter and his 'Eminent Domain' posse have given Israel some pointers....just take whatever land you want...



Are you really not familiar with the '48, '56, '67, and '73 wars?



+1
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 3:24:47 PM EDT

Originally Posted By rdubbz:

Originally Posted By AssaultRifler:
good analysis Chapper.

My first impulse though is whenever I see something that makes a Palestinian celebrate then it's a bad thing. Hope the chaos and insanity part happens. Those pukes burned too many American flags to allow me to give a shit about them.



After I saw those monkeys dancing around on 9-11 I told myself I would never support Palestinians again.



That pretty much sums it up. I might have tried to see things their way and have some sympathy for them, but all bets are off after seeing them dance around in the streets waving AK's on 9/11/01. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 3:29:13 PM EDT

Originally Posted By PeteCO:

Originally Posted By Jack19:

Originally Posted By pcsutton:
Sounds like Suter and his 'Eminent Domain' posse have given Israel some pointers....just take whatever land you want...



Are you really not familiar with the '48, '56, '67, and '73 wars?



+1



Big difference between taking land by way of military victory and taking land from your own citizens. Even so, I can't understand why Israelis would want to live in settlements, but they won the war so it's up to them.
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 3:35:32 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Leisure_Shoot:
Are these "settlers" being evicted from houses and neighborhoods? or tent cities?
If they are being moved out of their homes, are they being reimbursed by Isreal?
What is the whole story?



moved out of houses, and reimburshed by the US gov't, meaning our tax money
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 9:19:43 PM EDT
I dont know too much from the specifics of the situation, but just by looking at a map I dont think that it can work out.

Assuming the Palestinians ever do get thier own real nation I dont see how a nation split in two parts, Gaza Strip and West Bank, can ever work out.

IMO it would have been better if Isreal kept the Gaza strip, its got waterfront property anyways, and given the Palestinians the west bank.
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 9:28:34 PM EDT
The Gaza Strip has very little water. Without a pipeline from Israel, it is worthless unless they build desalination plants. After the pullout, all buildings will be demolished. Salted earth retreat.

Now the Wes Bank has water. And that is why it will be kept.
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 9:38:22 PM EDT

Originally Posted By pcsutton:
Sounds like Suter and his 'Eminent Domain' posse have given Israel some pointers....just take whatever land you want...




**Note** the author of the above dumbass post is unaware that the land was taken in defensive actions after Israel was attacked. No further attention should be wasted on this ignorant member.
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 9:48:06 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Planerench:

Originally Posted By pcsutton:
Sounds like Suter and his 'Eminent Domain' posse have given Israel some pointers....just take whatever land you want...




**Note** the author of the above dumbass post is unaware that the land was taken in defensive actions after Israel was attacked. No further attention should be wasted on this ignorant member.



O W N E D
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 11:34:11 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Planerench:

Originally Posted By pcsutton:
Sounds like Suter and his 'Eminent Domain' posse have given Israel some pointers....just take whatever land you want...




**Note** the author of the above dumbass post is unaware that the land was taken in defensive actions after Israel was attacked. No further attention should be wasted on this ignorant member.



unless of course he's refering to israel taking the land from their citizens and giving it to the palistenians
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 11:37:58 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 11:44:43 PM EDT
Forcing the Palestinians out would be cheaper.


Not like the UN hasnt passed resolutions condemning Israel in the past.
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 11:56:03 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Lumpy196:
Forcing the Palestinians out would be cheaper.



But that might cause "terrorism."

Link Posted: 8/18/2005 12:00:34 AM EDT

Originally Posted By SteyrAUG:

Originally Posted By Lumpy196:
Forcing the Palestinians out would be cheaper.



But that might cause "terrorism."





Oh yeah. Sorry, didnt think my theory all the way through
Link Posted: 8/18/2005 12:19:14 AM EDT

Originally Posted By vito113:

Originally Posted By Planerench:

Originally Posted By pcsutton:
Sounds like Suter and his 'Eminent Domain' posse have given Israel some pointers....just take whatever land you want...




**Note** the author of the above dumbass post is unaware that the land was taken in defensive actions after Israel was attacked. No further attention should be wasted on this ignorant member.



Ah, no…

The Gaza strip and West Bank were seized in the Six Day War in 1967, Israel started that one…


Andy



So I guess all that Egyptian troop buildup in the Sinai (which was supposed to be demilitarized) was just a military exercise?
Link Posted: 8/18/2005 12:33:37 AM EDT

Originally Posted By vito113:

Originally Posted By Planerench:

Originally Posted By pcsutton:
Sounds like Suter and his 'Eminent Domain' posse have given Israel some pointers....just take whatever land you want...




**Note** the author of the above dumbass post is unaware that the land was taken in defensive actions after Israel was attacked. No further attention should be wasted on this ignorant member.



Ah, no…

The Gaza strip and West Bank were seized in the Six Day War in 1967, Israel started that one…


Andy




Egypt started the war when they blockaded the Straits of Tiran, cutting off Israel's only deep sea port. A blockade is an act of war under international law and has been since ancient times.

"Israel did indeed simultaneously attack Egypt, Syria, Jordan and Iraq on June 5, 1967. It had little choice. For weeks leading up to that day, Israel's Arab enemies upped the temperature by amassing troops on the borders of the tiny Jewish state, while threatening murder and mayhem. Consider the following:

May 14, 1967: Egypt's President Gamal Nasser demands the withdrawal of United Nations force--established in 1957 as an international "guarantee" of safety for Israel--from the Sinai peninsula. The UN meekly obeys; the United States and Britain fail to rouse the Security Council to take action.

May 15: Three Egyptian army divisions and 600 tanks roll into the Sinai. World community does nothing.

May 17: Cairo Radio's Voice of the Arabs: "All Egypt is now prepared to plunge into total war which will put an end to Israel."

May 18: Voice of the Arabs announces: "As of today, there no longer exists an international emergency force to protect Israel. We shall exercise patience no more. We shall not complain any more to the UN about Israel. The sole method we shall apply against Israel is a total war which will result in the extermination of Zionist existence.".

May 18: Nasser announces blockade of Straits of Tiran in the Red Sea, severing Israel's southern maritime link to the outside world. Israel considers the closure an act of war. (US President Lyndon Johnson later says: "If a single act of folly was more responsible for this explosion than any other it was the arbitrary and dangerous announced decision that the Straits of Tiran would be closed.")

May 20: Syria's defence minister Hafez el-Assad says: "Our forces are now ready not only to repulse the aggression but to initiate the act of liberation itself, and to explode the Zionist presence in the Arab homeland. The Syrian army, with its finger on the trigger, is united..."

May 27: Nasser: "Our basic objection will be the destruction of Israel. The Arab people want to fight."

May 30: Nasser : "The armies of Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Lebanon are poised on the borders of Israel."

May 30: Jordan's King Hussein signs a five-year mutual defence pact with Egypt and the two set up a joint command, making clear its stance in any future conflict.

May 31: Egyptian newspaper Al Akhbar reports: "Under terms of the military agreement signed with Jordan, Jordanian artillery, co-ordinated with the forces of Egypt and Syria, is in a position to cut Israel in two..."

May 31: Iraqi President Rahman Aref announces: "This is our opportunity to wipe out the ignominy which has been with us since 1948. Our goal is clear--to wipe Israel off the map."

June 4: Iraq joins Nasser's military alliance against Israel.

June 5: Six Day War begins: Israeli Airforce attacks airfields in Egypt, Syria, Jordan and Iraq."

"Never in human history can an aggressor have made his purpose known in advance so clearly and so widely. Certain of victory, both the Arab leaders and their peoples threw off all restraint. Between the middle of May and fifth of June, world-wide newspapers, radio and, most incisively, television brought home to millions of people the threat of politicide bandied about with relish by the leaders of these modern states. Even more blatant was the exhilaration which the Arabic peoples displayed as the prospect of executing genocide on the people of Israel ... In those three weeks of mounting tension people throughout the world watched and waited in growing anxiety--or in some cases, in hopeful expectation--for the overwhelming forces of at least Egypt, Syria, Jordan and Iraq to bear down from three sides to crush tiny Israel and slaughter her people."
- Samuel Katz, Battleground: Fact and fantasy in Palestine



Did Israel fire the first bullet on June 5, 1967? YES. Did they start the war? NO. The blockade by Egypt started the war and they continued by building up of hundreds of thousands of troops and thousands of tanks. If Israel had waited for the Arabs to fire the first bullet they would have been wiped out. It would have been as stupid as Hussein was in 1990/91 when he allowed the US military forces to amass and then sit back and be slaughtered. Who fires the first bullet doesn't determine who starts the war.
Link Posted: 8/18/2005 1:21:23 AM EDT

Originally Posted By chapperjoe:

Originally Posted By MillerSHO:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but as bad as this is, you have to admit it's a good move by Israel.

The more and more people kick and scream they don't want to give up their homes the more world wide airtime this will get.

The more worldwide airtime this gets, the more people will realize Isreal is really trying to make things happen with the pali's and the opposite isn't true.

The more people realize they are trying to work with the pali's the less they will care when Israel pulls the gloves off after Hezballa STILL attacks Israel even though the Israeli's are trying.

It's almost like a PR move but at it's own citizen's expense.




this is a modern day altelana if you think about it.

Fucking horseshit. THe Altalena was a ACTUAL slaughter. The Kahanists, Orthodox settlers, and just plain dumbasses are so busy spinning such garbage rhetoric in their attempts to spin this as a 'MURDER' or 'Holocaust II' that they've completely lost all credibility - they lost politically, they are being MOVED to new homes and are to be paid large sums of cash - NOT stuffed into trains and burned in ovens.

I've had my fill of some disgusting rhetoric from pro-settlement Jews in the past weeks. I'm not about to listen to it here on arfcom as well.

8000 Jews would have 30,000 IDF troops STAY on endless patrol to keep 1.5 MILLION Pali dogs from killing them, and hold hostage the National Policy of 6.5 Million fellow Citizens. All while continuing to lock Israel into a bloody stalemate that has cost some 1000 of their fellow citizens their lives, all for the 'crime' of ridign a bus or eating pizza. It's CRAP.

Israel will clear the settlements flanking the Pali Gaza City, they'll clearn the settlements that are all but cut off from Israel-proper down in the SW beachfront of Gaza, and lock the gates behind them. The Palis will rip their own guts out trying to CONTINUE their unremitting and blessedly mostly unsuccessful attempts to KILL JEWS. Israel will be free to smash their attempts at will. And when it is ENOUGH, they can finally clear Gaza of Pali Arabs FOR GOOD.
Link Posted: 8/18/2005 1:24:16 AM EDT

Originally Posted By vito113:

Originally Posted By Planerench:

Originally Posted By pcsutton:
Sounds like Suter and his 'Eminent Domain' posse have given Israel some pointers....just take whatever land you want...




**Note** the author of the above dumbass post is unaware that the land was taken in defensive actions after Israel was attacked. No further attention should be wasted on this ignorant member.



Ah, no…

The Gaza strip and West Bank were seized in the Six Day War in 1967, Israel started that one…


Andy

Ah no. When you say "started" are you actually asserting that Israel is to blame for the '67 war, that if Israel had NOT launched a preemptive Spoiling Attack that the massed forces of 5(?) Arab nations on their borders would have just had a little falafel and GONE HOME?

Or are you just being deliberately cute about Israel "starting" the '67 War?
Link Posted: 8/18/2005 5:30:45 AM EDT

Originally Posted By rayra:


Israel will clear the settlements flanking the Pali Gaza City, they'll clearn the settlements that are all but cut off from Israel-proper down in the SW beachfront of Gaza, and lock the gates behind them. The Palis will rip their own guts out trying to CONTINUE their unremitting and blessedly mostly unsuccessful attempts to KILL JEWS. Israel will be free to smash their attempts at will. And when it is ENOUGH, they can finally clear Gaza of Pali Arabs FOR GOOD.



That's what we'd call a freshman assessment (NO insult meant, I'm studying this and I get that ALL the time), you've gotta look deeper. Israel's not gonna smash anything. In fact, they want the chaos to spill over into Israel proper. That will show the PA incapable of internal AND external sovereignty in a PA-controlled territory and will work to ensure that there is never a West Bank pullout on ANY terms since the PA can't guarantee that THAT pullout (the only one that matters) will do anything for ISrael.



I've had my fill of some disgusting rhetoric from pro-settlement Jews in the past weeks. I'm not about to listen to it here on arfcom as well.



Don't get me started. My family is wearing orange T-shirts an the synogogues around here in NY are in mourning. Ridiculous, absolutely ridiculous.

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