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Posted: 8/24/2005 8:30:12 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/24/2005 8:32:02 AM EDT by bloodmoon]
I am unsure what is the best most usefull SBR in a close combat situation. I am Having a hard time choosing between an HK94 clone or an AR15 with a 10.5 in upper. What is the better weapon for close combat, or indoor fighting?
Link Posted: 8/24/2005 8:30:53 AM EDT
The one you've got.
Link Posted: 8/24/2005 8:31:11 AM EDT
MP5 with navy trigger pack.

WAAAYYYY too much muzzle blast from a 10.5" AR indoors.

Disconnector
Link Posted: 8/24/2005 8:32:49 AM EDT
Coach Gun with BIRD SHOT!
Link Posted: 8/24/2005 8:33:01 AM EDT
Chainsaw
Link Posted: 8/24/2005 8:33:51 AM EDT
Close quarters would be a shottie. The limiting factors would be size of opposing force due to ammo capacity considerations and type of ammo being used.
Link Posted: 8/24/2005 8:34:07 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/24/2005 8:34:48 AM EDT
Tomahawk & 1911.
Link Posted: 8/24/2005 8:35:19 AM EDT
338 Rhino SBR 12"
Link Posted: 8/24/2005 8:35:35 AM EDT

Originally Posted By markm:
Coach Gun with BIRD SHOT rolls of dimes!





Link Posted: 8/24/2005 8:38:32 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Bklyn_Irish:
Tomahawk & 1911.



I saw on the Guadalcanal episode of "Shootout" where a MG squad leader, both his gun down charged the Japanese to retake a fighting position.

He was armed with a 1911 and a machette. Talk about some brass ones. He retook the fighting position to and was killed later in the war in another campaign.
Link Posted: 8/24/2005 8:41:33 AM EDT
I would go for the 10.5" AR and put a short can on it.
Link Posted: 8/24/2005 8:42:03 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Goonboss:

Originally Posted By markm:
Coach Gun with BIRD SHOT rolls of dimes!







That would be some expensive shooting after a while.
Link Posted: 8/24/2005 8:42:49 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/24/2005 8:43:38 AM EDT by jmzd4]

Originally Posted By LonePathfinder:

Originally Posted By Bklyn_Irish:
Tomahawk & 1911.



I saw on the Guadalcanal episode of "Shootout" where a MG squad leader, both his gun down charged the Japanese to retake a fighting position.

He was armed with a 1911 and a machette. Talk about some brass ones. He retook the fighting position to and was killed later in the war in another campaign.



he was killed on Iwo Jima and was a MOH winner. Can't remember his name

Link Posted: 8/24/2005 8:43:00 AM EDT
FN 90, they're starting to grow on me
Link Posted: 8/24/2005 8:43:22 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/24/2005 8:43:58 AM EDT by PBIR]

Originally Posted By bloodmoon:
I am unsure what is the best most usefull SBR in a close combat situation. I am Having a hard time choosing between an HK94 clone or an AR15 with a 10.5 in upper. What is the better weapon for close combat, or indoor fighting?



Who you going to be fighting? A pack of A-team ninja's or a crack head looking for your vcr?
Link Posted: 8/24/2005 8:43:45 AM EDT
Between the two I would go with the AR. However I think that a USAS 12 would really be the way to go.
Link Posted: 8/24/2005 8:44:14 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/24/2005 8:45:18 AM EDT
HK UMP
Link Posted: 8/24/2005 8:45:55 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/24/2005 8:46:59 AM EDT
MP5 and a 1911
Link Posted: 8/24/2005 8:50:02 AM EDT
+ medula oblongata.
Link Posted: 8/24/2005 8:50:07 AM EDT
Flamethrower


Seriously though, 12ga. Never fired a military Saiga 12K, but I'd bet that with the short barrel and large(er) mags, it kicks ass indoors.
Link Posted: 8/24/2005 8:51:19 AM EDT

Originally Posted By PBIR:
www.antique-used-tools.com/B_Icepick.jpg + medula oblongata.



Link Posted: 8/24/2005 8:51:41 AM EDT

2x4 with a long rusty nail in it.

Link Posted: 8/24/2005 8:52:53 AM EDT

Originally Posted By PBIR:

Originally Posted By bloodmoon:
I am unsure what is the best most usefull SBR in a close combat situation. I am Having a hard time choosing between an HK94 clone or an AR15 with a 10.5 in upper. What is the better weapon for close combat, or indoor fighting?



Who you going to be fighting? A pack of A-team ninja's or a crack head looking for your vcr?

I am going to get some kind of SBR one will be for me one will be for police officer friend.
He wants a 10.5in I am unsure if that will really suit his needs. He would need this for patrol use so he could be firing through cars and car windshieldsI was told that 5.56 rounds have a hard time with cars and windshields. I want the Hk94 clone for the army of crackheads who live near me and have been known to enter homes while they are occupied.
Link Posted: 8/24/2005 8:53:00 AM EDT

A housewife with a Mini-14.

Link Posted: 8/24/2005 9:00:40 AM EDT




I keep one of these guys in my hall closet.

He's a little noisy somtimes, but, he doesn't eat much,
and is an excellent choice for CQB

Link Posted: 8/24/2005 9:03:30 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Goonboss:
images.snapfish.com/3447%3B34%3B23232%7Ffp63%3Dot%3E233%3C%3D663%­3D%3B%3B%3A%3DXROQDF%3E2323%3A53427876ot1lsi



I keep one of these guys in my hall closet.

He's a little noisy somtimes, but, he doesn't eat much,
and is an excellent choice for CQB




This would make a good Monty Python skit.
Link Posted: 8/24/2005 9:04:05 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/24/2005 9:04:43 AM EDT by bloodmoon]

Originally Posted By Goonboss:
images.snapfish.com/3447%3B34%3B23232%7Ffp63%3Dot%3E233%3C%3D663%­3D%3B%3B%3A%3DXROQDF%3E2323%3A53427876ot1lsi



I keep one of these guys in my hall closet.

He's a little noisy somtimes, but, he doesn't eat much,
and is an excellent choice for CQB


Does he have a brother who is as cheap I really need a trunk weapon and the noise wouldnt bother me as I only use the car for work and back.
Link Posted: 8/24/2005 9:05:04 AM EDT

Originally Posted By bloodmoon:

Originally Posted By PBIR:

Originally Posted By bloodmoon:
I am unsure what is the best most usefull SBR in a close combat situation. I am Having a hard time choosing between an HK94 clone or an AR15 with a 10.5 in upper. What is the better weapon for close combat, or indoor fighting?



Who you going to be fighting? A pack of A-team ninja's or a crack head looking for your vcr?

I am going to get some kind of SBR one will be for me one will be for police officer friend.
He wants a 10.5in I am unsure if that will really suit his needs. He would need this for patrol use so he could be firing through cars and car windshieldsI was told that 5.56 rounds have a hard time with cars and windshields. I want the Hk94 clone for the army of crackheads who live near me and have been known to enter homes while they are occupied.



12 gauge with an extended tube mag for you, m1a socom loaded with winchester fail-safes for him.
Link Posted: 8/24/2005 9:10:36 AM EDT

Originally Posted By bloodmoon:

Originally Posted By Goonboss:
images.snapfish.com/3447%3B34%3B23232%7Ffp63%3Dot%3E233%3C%3D663%­3D%3B%3B%3A%3DXROQDF%3E2323%3A53427876ot1lsi



I keep one of these guys in my hall closet.

He's a little noisy somtimes, but, he doesn't eat much,
and is an excellent choice for CQB


Does he have a brother who is as cheap I really need a trunk weapon and the noise wouldnt bother me as I only use the car for work and back.



OH! In that case, you want:


Link Posted: 8/24/2005 9:10:37 AM EDT

Originally Posted By PBIR:

Originally Posted By bloodmoon:

Originally Posted By PBIR:

Originally Posted By bloodmoon:
I am unsure what is the best most usefull SBR in a close combat situation. I am Having a hard time choosing between an HK94 clone or an AR15 with a 10.5 in upper. What is the better weapon for close combat, or indoor fighting?



Who you going to be fighting? A pack of A-team ninja's or a crack head looking for your vcr?

I am going to get some kind of SBR one will be for me one will be for police officer friend.
He wants a 10.5in I am unsure if that will really suit his needs. He would need this for patrol use so he could be firing through cars and car windshieldsI was told that 5.56 rounds have a hard time with cars and windshields. I want the Hk94 clone for the army of crackheads who live near me and have been known to enter homes while they are occupied.



12 gauge with an extended tube mag for you, m1a socom loaded with winchester fail-safes for him.

I looked at that option but he thought it was to expensive and after research we found out that it is even more expensive to mount a light a must during hurricane season.
Link Posted: 8/24/2005 9:17:14 AM EDT
flame thrower
Link Posted: 8/24/2005 9:18:51 AM EDT
butter knife
Link Posted: 8/24/2005 9:24:46 AM EDT
9mm AR, 5" barrel w/supressor. Winchester RA9T ammo.
Link Posted: 8/24/2005 9:25:33 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/24/2005 9:32:20 AM EDT by hardcorps1775]
as said above, saiga12 with the 10-20rd nlfd.

Link Posted: 8/24/2005 9:30:58 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/24/2005 9:35:53 AM EDT
I got it! Just get a tape recorder that plays the sound of a shotgun chambering a round over and over and over....the criminals will wet themselves a mile away!
Link Posted: 8/24/2005 9:47:48 AM EDT
A phased plasma rifle in the 40 watt range.

G
Link Posted: 8/24/2005 10:13:58 AM EDT
HK53.
Link Posted: 8/24/2005 10:15:09 AM EDT
To be fair, I did recently meet someone who scarred the crap out of an intruder by racking his mossberg. Granted this wasnt a 'need my fix at any cost' type crackhead, more of a run of the mill 'i need money for crack' type of crackhead. Apparently these thugs try to quietly break into OCCUPIED houses in the middle of the night to steal what they can. If homeowner wakes up and confronts them with a weapon they wussy up and tell you how they ran into YOUR home because they were being chased by someone. So the homeowner heard the guy downstairs, got scared shitless as his shotgun wasnt kept loaded. As he went down the stairs he put a shell in and cocked it and the intruder heard this and announced himself pleading 'dont shoot.' After hearing his crock of shit explanation for being in my kitchen I would have blasted the mofo, but the homeowner chose to call the police at which point the intruder called his bluff and made for the door.
Link Posted: 8/24/2005 10:18:12 AM EDT
FN F2000 with a reflex type optic, Surefire LED flashlight fore end and a Beta C-drum with loaded with 100 rounds alternating between 45 grain frangibles and SS109 steel core rounds.
Link Posted: 8/24/2005 10:25:44 AM EDT
Krinkov.
Link Posted: 8/24/2005 10:32:27 AM EDT

Originally Posted By hardcorps1775:
as said above, saiga12 with the 10-20rd nlfd.

i15.photobucket.com/albums/a365/hardcorps1775/FireflyS12.jpg



OW! I'll bet that folding stock would HURT with full power 00 buck.....
Link Posted: 8/24/2005 10:34:15 AM EDT

Originally Posted By bloodmoon:

Originally Posted By PBIR:

Originally Posted By bloodmoon:
I am unsure what is the best most usefull SBR in a close combat situation. I am Having a hard time choosing between an HK94 clone or an AR15 with a 10.5 in upper. What is the better weapon for close combat, or indoor fighting?



Who you going to be fighting? A pack of A-team ninja's or a crack head looking for your vcr?

I am going to get some kind of SBR one will be for me one will be for police officer friend.
He wants a 10.5in I am unsure if that will really suit his needs. He would need this for patrol use so he could be firing through cars and car windshieldsI was told that 5.56 rounds have a hard time with cars and windshields. I want the Hk94 clone for the army of crackheads who live near me and have been known to enter homes while they are occupied.



I'd do some research on SBRs in 5.56mm. What is his duty ammo? That willp lay a big role in it. I plan to go with an 11.5 in barrel in 5.56 and a 12in in 6.8SPC.

Find out what his duty load in 5.56 is bfore you pic a barrel length.
Link Posted: 8/24/2005 10:42:55 AM EDT


Link Posted: 8/24/2005 10:45:04 AM EDT
What ever gun Robert DeNiro used in "Heat". {peep]
Link Posted: 8/24/2005 10:48:17 AM EDT


Originally Posted By bloodmoon:
quote]I am going to get some kind of SBR one will be for me one will be for police officer friend.
He wants a 10.5in I am unsure if that will really suit his needs. He would need this for patrol use so he could be firing through cars and car windshieldsI was told that 5.56 rounds have a hard time with cars and windshields. I want the Hk94 clone for the army of crackheads who live near me and have been known to enter homes while they are occupied.



Tell him to stick with 16 inches for patrol use for a personally owned weapon.
Link Posted: 8/24/2005 10:48:24 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/24/2005 10:49:12 AM EDT by hardcorps1775]

Originally Posted By GunSlingAR:

Originally Posted By hardcorps1775:
as said above, saiga12 with the 10-20rd nlfd.




OW! I'll bet that folding stock would HURT with full power 00 buck.....


actually, not at all! the recoil is much milder than a pump or just about any other kinda shotgun i've fired. it also helps that i'm not very recoil sensitive.
Link Posted: 8/24/2005 10:53:56 AM EDT
Well... for indoors I would say the 5.7 or the newer .22 Reed (something).

The 5.7 has 20 rounds of ammo in a nice convient pistol size. Aim, Shoot and repeat until target is defeated.


If said round was to exit the body then the projectile energy would be very low and therefore not injure bystanders.


But to all their own.
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