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Posted: 6/22/2011 4:01:32 AM EDT
http://www.eutimes.net/2011/06/china-wants-to-build-a-50-square-mile-city-in-the-us/
Someone with some economic knowledge step in and tell me the positives of this.  Something doesn't seem right with this.  There are other stories about this if you google it.  
Ryan
Link Posted: 6/21/2011 8:28:45 PM EDT
[#1]
Please don't turn this into a Red Dawn type thread either.  I want to learn something from this.
Link Posted: 6/21/2011 8:51:49 PM EDT
[#2]
Didn't we just piss thim off?
I understand embassies and stuff like that but a whole city... FUCK THAT!!!    
Link Posted: 6/21/2011 9:00:04 PM EDT
[#3]
It's a colony, and we are the indigenous people.

Link Posted: 6/21/2011 9:41:34 PM EDT
[#4]
It's an economic move to aid manufacturing logistics and maximize market share. The Chinese, due to cheap labor have made huge inroads into oilfield equipment supply and recognize the need to improve their logistics. No one in the U.S. can provide similar equipment that can compete with their low price. You used to be able to make a good profit margin on the equipment but the low cost of chinese equipment versus U.S. equipment has changed the whole dynamic.

the process of Fracturing directionally drilled horizontel Shale seams to release the captured natural gas is the new play so most companys that will survive are moving into the rental aspect of the business. Everyone is buying the wellhead equipmethent for virtually the same price so in order to compete  you offer a low markup on the wellhead equipment necessary to complete the well in order to get  the lucrative Frac Stack rental work where the real big revenue is. The cheaper you can buy it the better chance you have of winning the work. The wellhead is just a lost leader these days and if you make a good margin here and there more power to you.

It normally takes about 60 days or more from the time a vendor in the U.S. places an order for equipment in China until it gets produced and then shipped to the U.S. port on a container vessel. I frequently buy stuff  from my vendors "on the water" to secure product for upcoming work.  If you move all of the production of raw materials, forging, manufacturing, assembly, distribution, and  a cheap workforce that would be happy to live in the land of the "Big Mac" into a subsidized economic zone you can corner the market right in the U.S. backyard just as the oil and gas boom is hitting it's stride. Make no mistake, business is booming bigtime and the Chinese hold a 30% stake in Chesapeake Natural Resources which is signing leases with farmers, ranchers, and land owners everywhere they sniff oil or gas to drill and Frac all over the country. In my small South Texas county sitting above the Eagle Ford Shale zone we have 60 new overnight Millionaires when the well drilled on their leased land hit big and their share became about $25,000 or more a WEEK.

When we get a president that really wants to drill baby drill  and opens the tap on new places for exploration and production in the U.S. you better be in the oil industry if you'd like a job for a lifetime. I have been employed with the same Oilfield Sales & Service company for 17 years and it's been a great ride.

The Chinese are positioning themselves to ride the wave and they always think three moves ahead.



Link Posted: 6/21/2011 9:51:39 PM EDT
[#5]
I would think the EPA and other various agencies that stagnate American businesses will do the same to these Chinese economic zones.  They will take away the advantages that the chinese have/had.  There  are reasons why manufacturing abandoned the US and those same reason would keep the chinese from being successful here.  Unless they set these up to operate outside the law, EPA, taxes, product liability, ect.
Link Posted: 6/21/2011 10:00:51 PM EDT
[#6]
Quoted:
I would think the EPA and other various agencies that stagnate American businesses will do the same to these Chinese economic zones.  They will take away the advantages that the chinese have/had.  There  are reasons why manufacturing abandoned the US and those same reason would keep the chinese from being successful here.  Unless they set these up to operate outside the law, EPA, taxes, product liability, ect.



That's what would seem to be logical isn't it.

Unfortunately, the EPA and present .gov have demonstrated they have a DIFFERENT objective.

Can anyone speculate what that might be???

[Hint, it's one that most of us here won't like but the pointy headed socialist libtards will LOVE -and have been...]







Link Posted: 6/21/2011 10:10:42 PM EDT
[#7]
How superior are their products to ours.  In my experience buying American, Japanese, and European is superior to what China produces.  I understand the cost aspect of it, but if you have inferior products that you purchase at a lower rate and have to replace more often it seems opposite to cost efficient practices (I'm referencing the above post to oil/NG production).  
God I wish that this country would get back to manufacturing.  We used to be one of the best, if not the best in manufacturing and technology production of any kind.  
What's happening to us.  We let another country come in and set up "economic zones" which, according to the article, would most likely employ Chinese labor.  My guess is that they will continue to produce at the same costs that they experience in China here.
I'm glad that I work in healthcare.  At least we won't run out of sick, obese, lazy, and entitled people to take care of.
Link Posted: 6/22/2011 2:01:03 AM EDT
[#8]
Quoted:
How superior are their products to ours.  In my experience buying American, Japanese, and European is superior to what China produces.  I understand the cost aspect of it, but if you have inferior products that you purchase at a lower rate and have to replace more often it seems opposite to cost efficient practices (I'm referencing the above post to oil/NG production).  
God I wish that this country would get back to manufacturing.  We used to be one of the best, if not the best in manufacturing and technology production of any kind.  
What's happening to us.  We let another country come in and set up "economic zones" which, according to the article, would most likely employ Chinese labor.  My guess is that they will continue to produce at the same costs that they experience in China here.
I'm glad that I work in healthcare.  At least we won't run out of sick, obese, lazy, and entitled people to take care of.

Nope, probably increase.
However, the government will regulate your salary, your work environment and the number of  'sick, obese, lazy, and entitled people' you will have to take care of,
once they completely nationalize heathcare.



Link Posted: 6/22/2011 2:28:51 AM EDT
[#9]
You hit the nail on the head concerning cheaply made products. We live in a lazy, throw-away society that would sooner "buy new" than repair what they have or, God forbid, use old things. Today's society has been trained to value what is new and shiny rather than products made with pride, real pride, not "proudly made in America (with Mexican parts)" pride. My grandparents took great pride in producing things that lasted and that they were happy to tell you about. My grandmother made awnings for many of the buildings in the Pittsburgh area and could walk around downtown and point to the ones she made specifically. Some of those were still in use years after she'd made them. I doubt you see that much with "Made in China".

Personally, I use Zippo lighters, Channelock pliers, Omega watches, Master locks, Glock pistols and other quality long life products. I'm far from only buying US made but I'd rather go without and save to buy the best than re-buy garbage. Until the rest of the US figures out that they're only hurting themselves we're going to continue to decline economically and socially.
Link Posted: 6/22/2011 4:33:22 AM EDT
[#10]
Quoted:
How superior are their products to ours.  In my experience buying American, Japanese, and European is superior to what China produces.  I understand the cost aspect of it, but if you have inferior products that you purchase at a lower rate and have to replace more often it seems opposite to cost efficient practices (I'm referencing the above post to oil/NG production).  
God I wish that this country would get back to manufacturing.  We used to be one of the best, if not the best in manufacturing and technology production of any kind.  
What's happening to us.  We let another country come in and set up "economic zones" which, according to the article, would most likely employ Chinese labor.  My guess is that they will continue to produce at the same costs that they experience in China here.
I'm glad that I work in healthcare.  At least we won't run out of sick, obese, lazy, and entitled people to take care of.


Actually China has the capability to make and does make incredibly good products... but that's not where the money is.  China makes a lot of cheap shit because the world wants a lot of cheap shit.  

Link Posted: 6/22/2011 4:49:58 AM EDT
[#11]
So how do we stop them?
Link Posted: 6/22/2011 5:31:23 AM EDT
[#12]
Quoted:
I would think the EPA and other various agencies that stagnate American businesses will do the same to these Chinese economic zones.  They will take away the advantages that the chinese have/had.  There  are reasons why manufacturing abandoned the US and those same reason would keep the chinese from being successful here.  Unless they set these up to operate outside the law, EPA, taxes, product liability, ect.


This.
Link Posted: 6/22/2011 6:09:50 AM EDT
[#13]
Quoted:
I would think the EPA and other various agencies that stagnate American businesses will do the same to these Chinese economic zones.  They will take away the advantages that the chinese have/had.  There  are reasons why manufacturing abandoned the US and those same reason would keep the chinese from being successful here.  Unless they set these up to operate outside the law, EPA, taxes, product liability, ect.


My bet would be exactly that. Domestic corporations are going to be crippled and destroyed by the EPA and other bureaucracies while the Chinese will be exempted.

I'm sure the Chinese would not be setting up shop here if they were going to vulnerable to the same regulation and taxes that have driven our industries off-shore or destroyed it.
Link Posted: 6/22/2011 10:06:05 AM EDT
[#14]
Quoted:
So how do we stop them?


IN
Link Posted: 6/22/2011 10:30:25 AM EDT
[#15]
We just did this thread last week. It's a private company building a "mine town" with a whole shit ton of speculation about independent utilities thrown in. Not the Chinese government planting a base in the US.
Link Posted: 6/22/2011 10:34:15 AM EDT
[#16]
Sweet!  <–– That's all I got.
Link Posted: 6/22/2011 1:11:31 PM EDT
[#17]
Quoted:
Quoted:
How superior are their products to ours.  In my experience buying American, Japanese, and European is superior to what China produces.  I understand the cost aspect of it, but if you have inferior products that you purchase at a lower rate and have to replace more often it seems opposite to cost efficient practices (I'm referencing the above post to oil/NG production).  
God I wish that this country would get back to manufacturing.  We used to be one of the best, if not the best in manufacturing and technology production of any kind.  
What's happening to us.  We let another country come in and set up "economic zones" which, according to the article, would most likely employ Chinese labor.  My guess is that they will continue to produce at the same costs that they experience in China here.
I'm glad that I work in healthcare.  At least we won't run out of sick, obese, lazy, and entitled people to take care of.

Nope, probably increase.
However, the government will regulate your salary, your work environment and the number of  'sick, obese, lazy, and entitled people' you will have to take care of,
once they completely nationalize heathcare.

They already regulate it enough as it is.  The Centers for Medicaid/Medicare Services cracks down on the tiniest little details looking for reasons not to pay.  The hospital I work at recieves 60% or more of it's revenue from CMS.  
Apologize for this thread being duped.  I didn't know that it was already brought up.  Don't come to the general discussion or post things here because they usually always get sidetracked.
Ryan




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