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Posted: 1/1/2007 1:38:40 PM EDT
[#1]
Yes. They still sell 30,000 1911s per year. They still sell ARs to civies, despite rumors to the contrary. Sometime soon they`ll have piston upper on the market.
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Posted: 1/1/2007 1:40:25 PM EDT
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They sell stuff that is WAY overpriced...
Their SAA's are nice..but way to pricey... |
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Posted: 1/1/2007 1:47:47 PM EDT
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They sell plenty of stuff, it's just that their largest part of the business is related to making military firearms and the like. Overall sales probably still far outstrips second place and most of the rest combined, FN not withstanding.
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Posted: 1/1/2007 2:00:29 PM EDT
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if people are willing to pay that much for it, it is NOT overpriced. |
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Posted: 1/1/2007 3:44:53 PM EDT
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If the state there in hadnt propped them up they would have been out of business for years.
I wont buy from those who prefer their arms not be in the hands of us peons. Colt,...and Ruger for that matter, can FOAD |
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Posted: 1/1/2007 3:49:22 PM EDT
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I don't like their corporate policies, but if you are going to be a 'collector' of AR's (whatever that means) you pretty much have to get at least one. Plus, they hold their value very well, thanks to all the cool-aid drinkers out there. Look at the price of a 10, 20, or 30 year old colt model of any kind and it will command a price about the same as a new Bushmaster.
I don't set the rules. I just have learned em. 
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Posted: 1/1/2007 3:49:44 PM EDT
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What about Smith and Wesson? What about Bushmaster? Do some research, all of the big ones have sold us out. Eventually you will have to build your own. |
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Posted: 1/1/2007 3:51:16 PM EDT
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Yes. Their current stuff is actually the best stuff they have produced in a long time. Their current production 1911s are really good. Their ARs are great out of the box. Yes, they are expensive, but they really are made to .mil specs and they don't show the spotty QC that some of the other makers do. |
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Posted: 1/1/2007 3:55:17 PM EDT
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Yawn. |
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Posted: 1/1/2007 3:56:14 PM EDT
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...But the Colt is less likely to have a crooked front sight base, badly staked carrier key, etc. My Bushmaster has always been a superb rifle...but lately I have seen a lot of QC problems from Bushmaster that give me pause. |
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Posted: 1/1/2007 3:59:59 PM EDT
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Damn right. Completly agree. I won't buy nothing from them for that very reason. My Bushy suits me just fine. |
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Posted: 1/1/2007 4:03:33 PM EDT
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SWAT team here where I live now uses Colt. One of the snipers lives nextdoor to my parents and he told me Bushmaster quality has gone to shit, thats why they switched. |
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Posted: 1/1/2007 4:07:00 PM EDT
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Some would argue their QC has always been sh*t, and I have seen enough evidence to make me wonder if that's not true. What I can say for sure right now is that BM is hit or miss. You can get a superb rifle (like mine) or you can get one with a loose carrier key and canted FSB. Colt follows the .mil QC standards and you are thus more likely to get a good out of the box rifle that way. The best option, of course, is to build one the right way yourself... |
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Posted: 1/1/2007 4:15:13 PM EDT
[#14]
bushmaster... colt...
why not just get a RRA and save some $ and still have a quality rifle? |
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Posted: 1/1/2007 4:16:55 PM EDT
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WOW!!! A sniper said that??? My department (and our SWAT team) uses Bushmasters, They work fine and are less expensive than Cult. Now, I have never sat down with our snipers but they all shoot Remington Police 700's anyways. |
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Posted: 1/1/2007 4:19:29 PM EDT
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Right before SB23 I bought a Bushmaster, my cousin bought a Colt. My barrel wasn't indexed properly. The front sight is cocked to the right. My lower receiver has a purple tint to it. The machining on both the receivers isn't what I'd call "excellent" in so far as there are high spots and such. His barrel was straight, receivers matched colors, and the machining and fit and finish were superb. Was his rifle worth almost two times the price of mine (no doubt price was inflated as he bought it 12/31/99)? Not to me, since I can re-index the barrel, and live with the not so excellent machining and purple tint. That said, I believe that if I had the extra money, I would buy Colt firearms but not so sure about AR15s as all the non standard/mil.-spec. models are hard to keep track of and I refuse to own something with different sized pins and all that. |
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Posted: 1/1/2007 4:20:33 PM EDT
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I had a canted FSB on a Bushy barrel and I called about it.
Person told me to remove barrel and make the pin slot wider in the reciever then hold the barrel to the opposite side it was off when I tightened it back. This was in 2005, honest. Danny
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Posted: 1/1/2007 4:30:19 PM EDT
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My LE6920 cost $1250. My Series 70 Reproduction cost $800. How is that overpriced? If I were to sell off my Colt collection, I wouldn't lose money on any of them. Try doing that with any other brand. |
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Posted: 1/1/2007 4:34:24 PM EDT
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Colt has the best quality AR out there bar none.
No one comes close. You can buy cheaper but you get a cheaper product. Don't confuse being upset with Colt policy vs their quality. |
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Posted: 1/1/2007 4:36:10 PM EDT
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He has a few bolt rifles, but nhe carries a Colt M4 when he is out on patrol. ETA: I just called and asked him what type of rifles they use for precision. He said they all have thier own set ups. The department gives each person a set dollar limit and lets them set-up thier marksman rifle to thier comfort. |
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Posted: 1/1/2007 4:42:16 PM EDT
[#21]
bushmaster... colt...
why not just get a RRA and save some $ and still have a quality rifle? |
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Posted: 1/1/2007 4:46:22 PM EDT
[#22]
What are good colt 1911s going for nowadays?
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Posted: 1/1/2007 4:51:06 PM EDT
[#23]
Yeah man having an upper receiver with dremeled feedramps strikes me as superb quality. |
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Posted: 1/1/2007 4:53:53 PM EDT
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my theory is...
any rifle can have flaws, you must test each rifle in order for it to be "proven" such as shooting a couple thousand rounds through it before trusting your life the thing. does colt make a better product? possibly. can others be of the same reliability as a colt? yes. the way i see it, colt just gives you a higher chance of getting a NIB rifle that will be error free. i will save the 500$ and put that to ammo for function checking my rifle. |
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Posted: 1/1/2007 4:57:45 PM EDT
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Bushys are cheaper, Colt is better. AL Troopers use Bushys, because they were cheaper. Not because they are better. And yes they have been having problems with them. And most snipers use the Rem 700's. |
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Posted: 1/1/2007 5:09:16 PM EDT
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REALLY  Bought a Bushmaster...fired over 3,000 rounds through it...sold it for what I paid for it. I could probably sell my Kimber for what I paid for it several years ago. When I sell a gun, it is usually for about what I paid for it, or more. As for the Colt Single Action Army..$1200 is way to much for a new in box single action revolver. I could buy a classic S&W and a Ruger Vaquero for that money.... BTW, I do own a "pre-ban" Colt lightweight...It was cheap, so I bought it...the only thing I don't like about it is the non standard, bastardized screw on the lower. Other than that it shoots fine. |
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Posted: 1/1/2007 5:55:22 PM EDT
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Neither will appreciate in value like a Colt. |
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Posted: 1/1/2007 6:02:25 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/1/2007 6:10:07 PM EDT
[#29]
 I hate to pop your bubble, but bushmaster and rra combined could not equal Colt. Now be a good kid and go put your toys away |
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Posted: 1/1/2007 6:22:59 PM EDT
[#30]
I own many Colts and I have had a couple of bushmasters a RRA and a couple of other brands as well.
With the exception of one LE6920 that I recently bought all of them are flawless. The issues with the LE6920 were cosmetic and didn't effect the operation of the rifle. I have a few Colt 1911s that are outstanding. As a ASE and Toyota certified master technician the best analogy I can come up with is the difference between Snap-On tools and Craftsman tools. Both will do a job but one is clearly better made and holds up better under hard use. Much like a military or LEO member, I want, buy and use the best tools of my trade. For me, the best is Colt. |
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Posted: 1/1/2007 6:36:15 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/1/2007 6:59:03 PM EDT
[#32]
That's what initially prompted me to buy a Bushmaster all those years ago. I will be honest: I got an exceptionally good rifle. It has been through at least 10,000 rounds in training courses alone without a single malfunction. But if/when the time comes to replace it, I won't be replacing it with another Bushmaster. I will probably have a training buddy of mine build me one. |
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Posted: 1/1/2007 7:06:05 PM EDT
[#33]
Go Rock River and be done with the debate.
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Posted: 1/1/2007 7:10:31 PM EDT
[#34]
The Bushmaster company of today is the same Bushmaster of a few years ago. An investment banking company nows owns Bushmaster, maybe that is why their quality has deteriorated. I bet they have bean counters in charge and not gun people.
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Posted: 1/1/2007 7:33:28 PM EDT
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Right now the best non-Colt companies I know of are LMT and BravoCompany. |
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Posted: 1/1/2007 7:46:49 PM EDT
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Colt and 'Quality' in the same sentance??
Hmm... Of the ones I work with, the 'problem children' are almost all Colts... But then again, all the Colts I work with are old and more worn... I still prefer FNs... Now, personal guns - those will always be off-brand... Not worth the hundreds of dollars for a range toy... The only 'major' brand-name guns I own are ones that aren't cloned - 1 USP, 1 92FS, and a PPK. |
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Posted: 1/1/2007 7:52:15 PM EDT
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I recently purchased a S&W M&P15T, and am quite satisfied. Sure it's a contracted piece, but other makes contract parts as well. The quality does indeed seem to be there... They didn't offer this back before their disasterous 'cave in'. In my opinion, they have recovered and then some. IMO, all sins are forgiven with S&W. |
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Posted: 1/1/2007 7:53:47 PM EDT
[#38]
From what I remember CMT/Stag Arms actually makes the parts that go into S&W ARs, which is a big plus. They make quality stuff. |
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Posted: 1/1/2007 7:53:55 PM EDT
[#39]
Everyone knows they want a Colt.
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Posted: 1/1/2007 8:08:08 PM EDT
[#40]
I just dont see any difference to justify the cost.
My Armalite is the most acurate AR I have ever shot, with no problems to date, my Bushy has proven its reliable, never had a problem, so why should I pay 1200 for a colt when my 700 dollar armalite is 100% reliable and my 900 dollar Bushy is just as reliable. I just dont see it, then add in their less than friendly attitude toward non-LEOs andnon .mil type Id rather spend money elsewhere |
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Posted: 1/1/2007 8:18:06 PM EDT
[#41]
I loves my cool-aid!
 
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Posted: 1/1/2007 8:38:38 PM EDT
[#42]
sam died and everything went downhill from there
 way to expensive for...............well anything they sell |
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Posted: 1/2/2007 5:40:10 AM EDT
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The idea of the higher QC that Colt does for the .mil contracts (which filters into their civilian lines) is that you are more likely to have a good rifle out of the box with the Colt than you are with the Armalite or Bushmaster. You can buy a rifle from Bushy or Armalite and it may be fantastic...or it may have serious QC problems. Colt's higher QC is not a guarantee that nothing bad will ever happen with the rifle, but it is a higher chance of having out of the box reliability in an AR. Thus if I had to get a brand new rifle and use it for serious purposes very soon, I would buy a Colt. If your requirements are not that serious, then obviously it isn't a killer if you have to send your Bushy back to the factory to have its FSB straightened out. |
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Posted: 1/2/2007 11:21:15 AM EDT
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I dont buy a rifle and immediatly assume I can stake my life on it. If an Armalite and Bushmaster are perfect from the factory for me, why would I buy a Colt to make sure I get the quality I just got for less money than the Colt would have cost me? Im sure Colt makes good stuff, but for me the alledged extra quality isnt an issue 'cause I have had NO problems with either of my ARs, neither has anyone I know. Im not gonna spend more for the same reliability I already have, combine the fact they dislike 'civilians' posessing their 'evil' featured rifles, I will not support a company that doesnt support my rights, PERIOD. Maybe one day when Im lookin' at rifles I'll see a Colt so obviously superior that I'll have to have it, but that day hasnt come and I have seen many COlts sitting besode Bushmaster and other and I cannot see or feel any difference, nor have I had any problem with other brands... To each their own I guess
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