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Posted: 4/16/2017 10:03:10 AM EDT
The ultimate Michigan Shotgun Zone deer rifle! Put together for me by Ranger Point Precision...20 inch Douglas barrel, crisp 3 pound trigger. Can't wait. Probably putting a Leupold 2-7x scope on it.






Link Posted: 4/16/2017 10:08:40 AM EDT
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Very nice. How's the feeding? Any issues with the rebated rim?
Link Posted: 4/16/2017 10:10:15 AM EDT
[#2]
Good looking gun OP!
Link Posted: 4/16/2017 10:13:36 AM EDT
[#3]
I approve of this.  Now send it to me for evaluation.
Link Posted: 4/16/2017 10:15:58 AM EDT
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Very nice. How's the feeding? Any issues with the rebated rim?
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Just picked it up yesterday, I haven't fired it yet. Adam Devine (the gunsmith) told me that the feeding was the trickiest part of this conversion, he ran it/fired it before shipping it to me.
Link Posted: 4/16/2017 10:44:48 AM EDT
[#5]
do keep up with the updates please that is an awesome conversion.
Link Posted: 4/16/2017 10:47:04 AM EDT
[#6]
So you can use this is the shotgun area?
Link Posted: 4/16/2017 10:49:01 AM EDT
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I'll allow it.....

nice OP, very nice 
Link Posted: 4/16/2017 10:49:33 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 4/16/2017 11:02:41 AM EDT
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Why not just 4570?
Link Posted: 4/16/2017 11:04:08 AM EDT
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Why isn't there a comparison shot of the 45/70 to the .450.
Link Posted: 4/16/2017 11:13:33 AM EDT
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Just picked it up yesterday, I haven't fired it yet. Adam Devine (the gunsmith) told me that the feeding was the trickiest part of this conversion, he ran it/fired it before shipping it to me.
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Link Posted: 4/16/2017 11:15:06 AM EDT
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a 450 bushy lever gun?

oh it's a silly hunting law gun, Ruger announced a 450 scout, guess that explains that
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They just started a couple years ago allowing a cartridge .35 or greater with a case length between 1.18 and 1.8 inches and has to be straight walled.   450 Bushmaster or 50 Beowulf in an AR15 and 450 Raptor in and AR10.   You can use this in the "shotgun zone" now.
Link Posted: 4/16/2017 11:16:46 AM EDT
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They just started a couple years ago allowing a cartridge .35 or greater with a case length between 1.18 and 1.8 inches and has to be straight walled.   450 Bushmaster or 50 Beowulf in an AR15 and 450 Raptor in and AR10.   You can use this in the "shotgun zone" now.
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nice.jpeg
Link Posted: 4/16/2017 11:18:38 AM EDT
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See my post below about the weird rules for hunting in Michigan.
Link Posted: 4/16/2017 11:21:44 AM EDT
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I just looked it up and it appears to have a case length of Min: 2.095" and Max: 2.105".
Link Posted: 4/16/2017 11:24:00 AM EDT
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Cool

I purchased one in 45/70 about a month ago. Seems to be built fairly well. I do
feel that a better trigger pull would be good. How does your trigger feel now compared
to stock?
Link Posted: 4/16/2017 11:53:17 AM EDT
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I purchased one in 45/70 about a month ago. Seems to be built fairly well. I do
feel that a better trigger pull would be good. How does your trigger feel now compared
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Trigger Happy
Link Posted: 4/16/2017 12:14:12 PM EDT
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I've never hunted in a State with weird laws like that. I've always used the following. 

Rifle:
.243 Winchester
.270 Winchester
.308 Winchester
.30-06 Springfield
.45-70 Government

Handgun:
.357 Magnum
.41 Magnum
.44 Magnum
.45 ACP
.45 Colt
10mm Auto
.40 S&W

Used bolt actions, lever actions, semi-autos (for both rifle and pistol), and revolvers.

But cool that there is a Lever Action in a modern cartridge. 
Link Posted: 4/16/2017 12:17:59 PM EDT
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As a self-proclaimed fudd, what are you doing with a pic rail on your fudd gun?  Shouldn't you be soiling yourself in a corner over the evil black militaristic feature that cheapens the value of your classic guns and has no business being in civilian hands?

"If it ain't a Weaver rail, you don't need it!"
Link Posted: 4/16/2017 12:19:36 PM EDT
[#20]
Good looking gun, by the way!
Link Posted: 4/16/2017 12:19:59 PM EDT
[#21]
I like it. I really want someone to mass produce some lever guns in modern automatic handgun cartridges.
Link Posted: 4/16/2017 12:23:20 PM EDT
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I use a 450 for deer here in Indiana. Great for deer.

Link Posted: 4/16/2017 12:31:19 PM EDT
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How is the .450 Bushy different from the .450 Marlin performance wise?
Link Posted: 4/16/2017 1:21:12 PM EDT
[#24]
Smart getting that rail long.  The factory ones are short.
Link Posted: 4/16/2017 1:33:16 PM EDT
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Yep....Michigan has some strange laws in the "shotgun zone". They base it off of case length rather than cartridge length, silly that you can't use a 45-70.

The trigger on this one is nice and crisp, 3 pounds.

I have the "Happy Trigger" on a few other Marlins, absolutely love them.
Link Posted: 4/16/2017 1:43:53 PM EDT
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As a self-proclaimed fudd, what are you doing with a pic rail on your fudd gun?  Shouldn't you be soiling yourself in a corner over the evil black militaristic feature that cheapens the value of your classic guns and has no business being in civilian hands?

"If it ain't a Weaver rail, you don't need it!"
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Naaahhhh. I truly don't enjoy using military style guns for hunting....but I'm sure as heck not against it. I absolutely support the choice to use them.

But for me;  I like double guns, levers, flintlocks, etc.

I could have saved a bunch of money just getting an upper for my AR, or buying one of the Rugers....
Link Posted: 4/16/2017 2:59:27 PM EDT
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Nice looking gun ,  should be good huntin gun.
Link Posted: 4/16/2017 3:14:47 PM EDT
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Pure sex.

I've been using my muzzleloader for the shotgun zone.  For a minute was tempted to pickup a ruger 44/70.  I now own property above the line.
Link Posted: 4/16/2017 3:17:41 PM EDT
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Hey OP did you build that chair?  Looks good.

Nice rifle too.

Link Posted: 4/16/2017 4:57:29 PM EDT
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Hey OP did you build that chair?  Looks good.

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No sir, did not build the chair. Our local feed store had them for sale, bought it for my wife.
Link Posted: 4/16/2017 5:01:40 PM EDT
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Pure sex.

I've been using my muzzleloader for the shotgun zone.  For a minute was tempted to pickup a ruger 44/70.  I now own property above the line.
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We have been experimenting with the Ruger 44/77, and older 44/96, Marlins in .44 magnum and 45 LC. The 45 LC with the Buffalo Bore Deer grenade loads is flat out devastating. My reason for the .450 was range. Ruger having great luck with their bolt guns out to 300 yards. I don't expect this to be a 300 yard gun, but I do plan on seeing what it does at longer ranges.

100 yards or less the 44's and 45's are great
Link Posted: 4/16/2017 5:08:01 PM EDT
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I just looked it up and it appears to have a case length of Min: 2.095" and Max: 2.105".
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Why not just 4570?
I just looked it up and it appears to have a case length of Min: 2.095" and Max: 2.105".
Market opportunity for the .45/70 GAP!!
Link Posted: 4/16/2017 5:38:44 PM EDT
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See my post below about the weird rules for hunting in Michigan.
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Got it.  Is there any science to these rules, or are they arbitrary decisions by non-shooting political appointees?  I recall IN and maybe IA have similar nonsensical laws.  I'd rather have a high-velocity rifle round bouncing around than a slow-moving thumb-sized lead chunk.  The chunk won't break up.
Link Posted: 4/16/2017 5:43:55 PM EDT
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Got it.  Is there any science to these rules, or are they arbitrary decisions by non-shooting political appointees?  I recall IN and maybe IA have similar nonsensical laws.  I'd rather have a high-velocity rifle round bouncing around than a slow-moving thumb-sized lead chunk.  The chunk won't break up.
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Probably someone who missed out on the Walmart 45/70 deal.
Link Posted: 4/16/2017 5:50:10 PM EDT
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Nice rifle.
Link Posted: 4/16/2017 6:35:09 PM EDT
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I put a 1-4x on my SOCOM.

458 drops like a rock after 150 yards.

450 is similar, you might want a 1x in case you gotta shoot things close.
Link Posted: 4/18/2017 8:24:48 AM EDT
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I put a 1-4x on my SOCOM.

458 drops like a rock after 150 yards.

450 is similar, you might want a 1x in case you gotta shoot things close.
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That is probably good advice. My son has a 1-4x on his 45-70, I was thinking about borrowing it for try out. The 2-7 seems to be too much scope for a lever gun.
Link Posted: 4/18/2017 8:11:46 PM EDT
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That is probably good advice. My son has a 1-4x on his 45-70, I was thinking about borrowing it for try out. The 2-7 seems to be too much scope for a lever gun.
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I have a 3x9 Vortex Diamondback on my 45/70. I think it looks great on it, but for yours might not be needed for that round.

Link Posted: 4/18/2017 8:27:26 PM EDT
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a 460S&W lever gun would be a good candidate also
Link Posted: 4/19/2017 7:22:35 AM EDT
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The .460 S&W does qualifiy,  here is the list of cartridges (I think this is accurate)allowed in Michigans former shotgun only zone:

44 Magnum
357 Magnum
357 Maximum
450 Bushmaster
50 AE
480 Ruger
500 S&W
454 Casull
45 Colt
.41 Long Colt
.44 Special
.45 Winchester Magnum
.45 Smith & Wesson
.454 Casull
.460 S&W
Link Posted: 4/19/2017 8:13:34 AM EDT
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Because of the stupid guns laws there



In MN I hunt with a 14" 458 SOCOM AR pistol in shotgun zone because of the stupid laws. Also because they changed the laws a few years ago I can hunt with any center fire over .222 Caliber, so that 25 ACP Raven is legal for deer hunting.
Link Posted: 4/19/2017 10:17:38 AM EDT
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Naaahhhh. I truly don't enjoy using military style guns for hunting....but I'm sure as heck not against it. I absolutely support the choice to use them.

But for me;  I like double guns, levers, flintlocks, etc.

I could have saved a bunch of money just getting an upper for my AR, or buying one of the Rugers....
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As a self-proclaimed fudd, what are you doing with a pic rail on your fudd gun?  Shouldn't you be soiling yourself in a corner over the evil black militaristic feature that cheapens the value of your classic guns and has no business being in civilian hands?

"If it ain't a Weaver rail, you don't need it!"
Naaahhhh. I truly don't enjoy using military style guns for hunting....but I'm sure as heck not against it. I absolutely support the choice to use them.

But for me;  I like double guns, levers, flintlocks, etc.

I could have saved a bunch of money just getting an upper for my AR, or buying one of the Rugers....
You could definitely saved a ton of money, but kudos for hunting with the gun you want to hunt with.
Link Posted: 4/19/2017 10:28:02 AM EDT
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Very nice looking rifle, and I agree with the 1-4 optic suggestion.
Link Posted: 4/19/2017 11:04:02 AM EDT
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I had Ranger chop down a 95 and thread it.  They were not inexpensive, and lacked the ability to class 3 it (so would install a sub 16" barrel on it even if I had papers and engraving-they would cut everything and send me back the parts, go figure).  Anyway, it became a 16.25" build, good work.

ATF law is funny.  If I have a pile of parts, they can constructively assemble them and make me a felon.  But apparently I can not get the paperwork done and and have my construction assembled sbr worked on by a gunsmith. 
Link Posted: 4/20/2017 8:31:49 AM EDT
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You could definitely saved a ton of money, but kudos for hunting with the gun you want to hunt with.
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For sure. I could have bought a Ruger American in 450 for about $500. The base rifle we STARTED with on this conversion cost more than that.

But, I absolutely love deer hunting with lever action rifles. Some folks piss money away on casinos, golf, whatever....I sure didn't need it either. Have been super successful using  hopped up 45LC and 44 Magnum carbines. I recognize that the only person impressed by this is me

"Life is short, shoot cool stuff"
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