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Posted: 4/13/2006 12:57:37 PM EST
Or should it be avoided all together?
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 12:59:56 PM EST
I know that the guys from GG&G ran about 5k through their post sample M1919s with no issues. however my FAL got gas cutting on the bolt from a primer letting loose on some that was purchased the same day from the same dealer. hit and miss
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 1:00:19 PM EST

What firearms is Indian .308 safe to use in?


None, whatsoever.
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 1:01:22 PM EST

Originally Posted By Kalahnikid:

What firearms is Indian .308 safe to use in?


None, whatsoever.



+1.
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 1:02:13 PM EST
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 1:02:44 PM EST

Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:

Originally Posted By Kalahnikid:

What firearms is Indian .308 safe to use in?


None, whatsoever.



+1



Hey! Get your own +1 buddy!
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 1:03:39 PM EST
Indian 2A1 SMLE's in .308.
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 1:06:16 PM EST

Originally Posted By roboman:

Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:

Originally Posted By Kalahnikid:

What firearms is Indian .308 safe to use in?


None, whatsoever.



+1



Hey! Get your own +1 buddy!



Not to steal your +1...but +1

Link Posted: 4/13/2006 1:13:43 PM EST

Originally Posted By cms81586:
What firearms is Indian .308 safe to use in?



Whatever firearn any PAKISTANI soldier is carrying!!!!
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 1:26:10 PM EST
someone wiser than myself once said:


"If you wouldn't drink their water, don't shoot their ammo"
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 1:30:42 PM EST
I have shot it in my FAL. But it jams a lot. My FAL jams with no other ammo.

I also shake each bullet I plan on shooting to ensure it has about the correct amount of powder, and I line them all up to make sure they are seated evenly.

I only have about 200 rounds left. I will never buy it again.
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 1:36:27 PM EST
Why do you think it's so cheap?
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 2:00:09 PM EST
Some works rather well if it is in the 5 round packs, I have cans of it and all has done just fine.
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 2:02:37 PM EST

Originally Posted By cms81586:
What firearm is Indian .308 safe to use in?




Someone else's.

Link Posted: 4/13/2006 2:03:57 PM EST
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 2:04:53 PM EST

Originally Posted By cms81586:
Or should it be avoided all together?



Ayep.
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 2:07:20 PM EST
How many saying no have really shot the ammo?

If you say yes, what was the head stamp?
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 2:07:58 PM EST
[Last Edit: 4/13/2006 4:10:55 PM EST by g3shooter]
Pull it and keep the powder and bullet.


IBN_T
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 2:08:01 PM EST

Originally Posted By long-rifle-tactical:
How many saying no have really shot the ammo?

If you say yes, what was the head stamp?



KF 91 if memory serves, no tar on these
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 2:08:29 PM EST
any gun used by the french
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 2:09:16 PM EST

Originally Posted By TheRedHorseman:

Originally Posted By long-rifle-tactical:
How many saying no have really shot the ammo?

If you say yes, what was the head stamp?



KF 91 if memory serves, no tar on these



Good head stamp number then, you have had it.
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 2:12:15 PM EST

Originally Posted By long-rifle-tactical:

Originally Posted By TheRedHorseman:

Originally Posted By long-rifle-tactical:
How many saying no have really shot the ammo?

If you say yes, what was the head stamp?



KF 91 if memory serves, no tar on these



Good head stamp number then, you have had it.



yeah it mostly ran fine, till I had a primer or two blow and jack up my bolt face. the GG&G guys had no problems with the 1919s but you could definitely tell how inconsistent the rounds were by the reports
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 2:17:06 PM EST

Originally Posted By TheRedHorseman:

Originally Posted By long-rifle-tactical:

Originally Posted By TheRedHorseman:

Originally Posted By long-rifle-tactical:
How many saying no have really shot the ammo?

If you say yes, what was the head stamp?



KF 91 if memory serves, no tar on these



Good head stamp number then, you have had it.



yeah it mostly ran fine, till I had a primer or two blow and jack up my bolt face. the GG&G guys had no problems with the 1919s but you could definitely tell how the rounds were by the reports



No chit!

Glad you did not get the Evil eye, I know what you are saying about inconsistent but I never use it but for blasting anyway.


I load all of my own for matches and other activities so I know what it will do and will not do.
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 2:27:52 PM EST
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 2:29:02 PM EST

Originally Posted By long-rifle-tactical:
How many saying no have really shot the ammo?

If you say yes, what was the head stamp?



still got a few OFV 97 M80 7.62
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 3:25:42 PM EST
I had 4k of of the OFV86 stuff, its kinda temp sensitive, in cold temps(under 50deg) it shoots sub 2" 5 shot groups through my AR10, in temps above 80 best it'll do is about 3 1/2" for a 5 shot group, I don't shoot it when temps get around 100, it'll blow primers pretty regular, got about 400 rnds left.
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 4:02:00 PM EST
i bought a ammo can of it.. worst ammo EVER... my fals didnt like it, my g3 clone didnt like it, it jammed, it misfired, it was inconsistant.
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 4:04:19 PM EST
One with a red dot?

/going to hell for that one...
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 4:04:52 PM EST

Originally Posted By photokirk:
One with a red dot?

/going to hell for that one...



Link Posted: 4/13/2006 4:07:07 PM EST
I found it appropriate for use in weapons that someone else was going to have to clean. My only problem with it (though I quit buying it based on warnings posted here) was that it was filthy. After a few dozen rounds, my L1A1 looked I had been firing soot-covered cat turds out of it. Yuck!
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 4:07:09 PM EST

Originally Posted By roboman:

Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:

Originally Posted By Kalahnikid:

What firearms is Indian .308 safe to use in?


None, whatsoever.



+1



Hey! Get your own +1 buddy!



Safe in someone elses 308, but not in your own
Link Posted: 4/14/2006 4:15:05 AM EST
Link Posted: 4/14/2006 10:00:13 AM EST

Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
some of the problem i have seen with it.....

brass so out of spec it would not chamber
split cases on new unfired rounds
split case necks on new unfired rounds
bullets with no crimp
primer pockets with no flash holes
Bullets that were a copper jacket only with NO lead core.

shoot at your own risk



Head stamp # please?
Link Posted: 4/14/2006 10:01:43 AM EST
Fill the box with concrete and use it for a boat anchor
Link Posted: 4/14/2006 10:04:41 AM EST

Originally Posted By FLAL1A:
I found it appropriate for use in weapons that someone else was going to have to clean. My only problem with it (though I quit buying it based on warnings posted here) was that it was filthy. After a few dozen rounds, my L1A1 looked I had been firing soot-covered cat turds out of it. Yuck!



Some lots are very nasty and did smell like the manure pit had broken its dike; one lot I have found even had the aroma of flowers. I was like WTF is in this ammo.

Funny thing is out of all the lots they shoot fine in the Bushmaster and never had a problem, but yet no one in any situtation should fire this ammo in a M1A.
Link Posted: 4/14/2006 10:07:31 AM EST
[Last Edit: 4/14/2006 10:14:04 AM EST by TacticalStrat]
It has blown up a few 1919's over on the 1919a4.com forum because the brass is so inconsistent in the way it's sized. If you don't get the head-space perfectly adjusted on a 1919, it can blow the gun up. Since the brass is so inconsistently sized, it will reek havoc with a 1919 head-spacing.

If you want a good deal on .308, pick up some of the South African .308. It's high quality stuff and gets high praise on most of the message boards. I just ordered some last week from AimSurplus for $154 per 980 round case. They also sell it in 140 round battle-packs if you want less. I wouldn't wait. It's starting to dry up at a few of the ammo distributors.
Link Posted: 4/14/2006 10:11:30 AM EST

Originally Posted By Rotty:
any gun used by the french



You posted that knowing they don't USE theirs, right?
Link Posted: 4/14/2006 10:14:22 AM EST
Link Posted: 4/14/2006 10:19:51 AM EST

Originally Posted By long-rifle-tactical:

Originally Posted By TheRedHorseman:

Originally Posted By long-rifle-tactical:
How many saying no have really shot the ammo?

If you say yes, what was the head stamp?



KF 91 if memory serves, no tar on these



Good head stamp number then, you have had it.


OFV 02 m80 7.62
Did not work at all in my FAL and there were some seriously damaged cartridges in that lot.
Link Posted: 4/14/2006 10:22:46 AM EST

Originally Posted By Zhukov:

Originally Posted By long-rifle-tactical:

Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
some of the problem i have seen with it.....

brass so out of spec it would not chamber
split cases on new unfired rounds
split case necks on new unfired rounds
bullets with no crimp
primer pockets with no flash holes
Bullets that were a copper jacket only with NO lead core.

shoot at your own risk



Head stamp # please?



If I have to check to make sure I have the "good" lot number in order to avoid blowing up my rifle and possibly killing me - I stay away.....



Lot #42 of XM193 was a hit or miss lot of ammo as well, some had luck and others like me had more blown primers than a Nevada cat house.

I would be leary of any of the lot 42 myself.
Link Posted: 4/14/2006 10:27:56 AM EST
our enemies

who'd a thought
Link Posted: 4/14/2006 10:30:48 AM EST

Originally Posted By Will-Rogers:
Indian 2A1 SMLE's in .308.


Not with mine!
Link Posted: 4/14/2006 10:32:54 AM EST

Originally Posted By TacticalStrat:
It has blown up a few 1919's over on the 1919a4.com forum because the brass is so inconsistent in the way it's sized. If you don't get the head-space perfectly adjusted on a 1919, it can blow the gun up. Since the brass is so inconsistently sized, it will reek havoc with a 1919 head-spacing.

If you want a good deal on .308, pick up some of the South African .308. It's high quality stuff and gets high praise on most of the message boards. I just ordered some last week from AimSurplus for $154 per 980 round case. They also sell it in 140 round battle-packs if you want less. I wouldn't wait. It's starting to dry up at a few of the ammo distributors.



South African .308 is good ammo, I still like my IMI .308 though.
Link Posted: 4/14/2006 10:36:56 AM EST
I picked some Indian up at a local funstore to try it out.

I don't know what lot ,but it was on 5 round strippers,I think
headstamped somewhere in the 80s.

Out of the 60 rounds I got ,5 did not fire with
deeply dented primers.
A third of them looked like the brass was made by cavemen
with clubs .
They looked OK in the strippers .
Needless to say ,I passed on the dirt cheap cases !

2nd to worst 7.62 X 51 mm surplus I ever used.


Worst of all time was Argentine .
Headstamped 13FLB81 .

I can barely even read the headstamp.
It looks like the headstamped was chizzled in with a rock !
Never again .
Link Posted: 4/14/2006 11:17:23 AM EST

Originally Posted By long-rifle-tactical:

Originally Posted By TacticalStrat:
It has blown up a few 1919's over on the 1919a4.com forum because the brass is so inconsistent in the way it's sized. If you don't get the head-space perfectly adjusted on a 1919, it can blow the gun up. Since the brass is so inconsistently sized, it will reek havoc with a 1919 head-spacing.

If you want a good deal on .308, pick up some of the South African .308. It's high quality stuff and gets high praise on most of the message boards. I just ordered some last week from AimSurplus for $154 per 980 round case. They also sell it in 140 round battle-packs if you want less. I wouldn't wait. It's starting to dry up at a few of the ammo distributors.



South African .308 is good ammo, I still like my IMI .308 though.




The Aussie F4 .308 is the best I've ever fired. It'll shoot 1.5 inch groups out of my HK91. I picked up about 2500 rounds right before it dried up last year. It's so accurate, I won't waste shooting it in my 1919. It's almost like match ammo.
Link Posted: 4/14/2006 11:38:08 AM EST

Originally Posted By TacticalStrat:

Originally Posted By long-rifle-tactical:

Originally Posted By TacticalStrat:
It has blown up a few 1919's over on the 1919a4.com forum because the brass is so inconsistent in the way it's sized. If you don't get the head-space perfectly adjusted on a 1919, it can blow the gun up. Since the brass is so inconsistently sized, it will reek havoc with a 1919 head-spacing.

If you want a good deal on .308, pick up some of the South African .308. It's high quality stuff and gets high praise on most of the message boards. I just ordered some last week from AimSurplus for $154 per 980 round case. They also sell it in 140 round battle-packs if you want less. I wouldn't wait. It's starting to dry up at a few of the ammo distributors.



South African .308 is good ammo, I still like my IMI .308 though.




The Aussie F4 .308 is the best I've ever fired. It'll shoot 1.5 inch groups out of my HK91. I picked up about 2500 rounds right before it dried up last year. It's so accurate, I won't waste shooting it in my 1919. It's almost like match ammo.



Very good indeed, shot all mine in a M24 and it shoots good for box and a heck of a lot better than many.
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