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Posted: 3/25/2006 7:17:13 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/25/2006 7:47:32 AM EDT by AR15fan]
Seems to be a recurring theme in several threads. Statements to the effect of "anything can be a felony now" or "just about everything is a felony now."

So in your opinion what crimes are felonies in your state, which should not be?

In my state there are 4 classes of crimes:

Infractions: Speeding tickets, unlicensed driver, possession of tless than an ounce of marijuana, open container ect. (punishable by fine only)

Misdemeanors: Driving on suspended license, petty theft, possession of less than 3 grams of meth/heroin/cocaine ect, Statutory rape, DUI. (punishable by fine, probation or jail)

Wobblers: Crimes that can be filed as a felony or misdemeanor depending on the circumstances. Illegal CCW, most weapons violations, auto theft, ADW, child endangerment, petty theft with prior conviction, domestic violence. (punishable by fine, probation, jail or prison)

Felonies: Drug sales, murder, rape, 4th DUI cinviction, robbery. (punishable by fine, jail, probation or prison)
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 7:20:10 AM EDT
Does anybody have a good list of federal felonies? I've been looking for the past 10 minutes. Afterwards, I wanted to get a list of Ohio felonies.

This is a pretty good question, AR15fan.
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 7:24:38 AM EDT
As long as a gentleman complies with The Rule of Thumb, administering corrections to one's ladyfriend, when necessary, should not only be pardoned but encouraged as well.
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 7:25:49 AM EDT
Its something I have thought about from time to time. One possibilty would to make any crime with a human victim a felony and any crime where the state is the victim a misdemenor.

For example all drug charges would be misdemeanors, as would DUI and weopons violtions.

But a DUI with injury would be a felony becuase it has a human victim. However that would mean even petty theft would be a felojny. but i think its a fair trade off.

Misdemeanor if you hurt the state. felony if you hurt a real person.
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 7:27:21 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/25/2006 7:31:11 AM EDT by Lockedon]
ALL non-violent drug offenses
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 7:29:32 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/25/2006 7:29:50 AM EDT by Zippy_The_Wonderdog]

Originally Posted By AR15fan:
Its something I have thought about from time to time. One possibilty would to make any crime with a human victim a felony and any crime where the state is the victim a misdemenor.

For example all drug charges would be misdemeanors, as would DUI and weopons violtions.

But a DUI with injury would be a felony becuase it has a human victim. However that would mean even petty theft would be a felojny. but i think its a fair trade off.

Misdemeanor if you hurt the state. felony if you hurt a real person.*



*except for when the Rule of Thumb is observed
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 7:32:31 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/25/2006 7:33:50 AM EDT by AR15fan]

Originally Posted By Lockedon:
ALL non-violent drug offences


Including sales to children? Including possession for sales by an adult on school grounds during school hours? Including administering controlled substances to children? Including smuggling controlled substances over the border?

Should it really only be a misdemeanor to inject heroin into a 12yo girl?
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 7:37:31 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/25/2006 7:42:34 AM EDT by Dave_A]
Felonies:

Smuggling, all drug abuse/distribution violations, DUI in excess, all crimes that injure/kill a person (financial & property injury count), treason, terrorisim, espionage... Tax evasion above a certain dollar amount....

Come to think of it, there are few crimes I know of (except federal weapons violations) that are overpunished... Many (minor drug posession, murder, smuggling) are UNDER punished....

Further, I am a believer in 'perminant stigmatization' of felons - IMHO if you fuck up once, you should be under the microscope untill you prove that you can be trusted not to re-offend... Once convicted, you have lost your rights by due process of law (See 14th), and now only have what privledges you are given.... I'd say let them keep free speech, press & religeon, but search & siezure, arms, and so on... gone...
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 7:38:44 AM EDT
Personally, I would rather disallow people firearms based on jailtime served for ANY offense, rather than if felony conviction.


For instance, you can commit a shitload of misdemeanors and get significant jailtime - yet still not have that "OMFG! RED FLAG! RED FLAG! FELONY CONVICTION!!!!!1111".

If you commit a felony, get reduced time, then the Judge saw reason for doing so.

If given a choice, I would rather have John, the guy with too many speeding tickets that got a felony; rather than Bubba, the guy that has committed every misdemeanor in the book yet still doesn't have a felony conviction be able to own a gun.
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 7:39:37 AM EDT
(Democratic Party): "Violating the privacy of black Republican election candidates!"

www.baltimoresun.com/news/local/politics/bal-steele0324,0,1830557.story?coll=bal-local-headlines[
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 7:41:27 AM EDT
Waiting for a list.
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 7:41:41 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Sturmwehr:
If given a choice, I would rather have John, the guy with too many speeding tickets that got a felony; rather than Bubba, the guy that has committed every misdemeanor in the book yet still doesn't have a felony conviction be able to own a gun.



In your state is getting "too many speeding tickets" really a felony? It's not in mine. here the few "traffic felonies" are evading with wanton disregard for safety, DUI with injury, 4th DUI in 10years, vehicular homicide.
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 8:13:24 AM EDT
Relative of mine, 15 year old kid is a minority in a town where that just aint kosher. He got mixed up in some Aryan shit. One day some kids were making fun of him so he took a garbage can from school and dumped it out on thier front lawn.

Terroristic threats
Arson

Whole bunch of ther felonies that escape me at the moment. They really want to lock him up, though.

Friend of my dads had an adult son who uses a metal detector for fun. He found a civil war belt buckle and tried to sell it on e-bay. Turns out that it went for over 500 dollars- and it is a felony to sell recovered artifacts for over 500 bucks.

So they seized his computer and found some porn that didn't have the recordkeeping done to it. It wass adult stuff, but there was no way to prove it. He plead to the first charge to keep clear of the porn felony.

Per Wikipedia, in Mass any crime carrying a prison sentence is a felony.
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 8:20:15 AM EDT
Any weapon related charges that don't involve the comission of an actual crime

Drug possession
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 8:22:26 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
Relative of mine, 15 year old kid is a minority in a town where that just aint kosher. He got mixed up in some Aryan shit. One day some kids were making fun of him so he took a garbage can from school and dumped it out on thier front lawn.

Terroristic threats
Arson

Whole bunch of ther felonies that escape me at the moment. They really want to lock him up, though.

Friend of my dads had an adult son who uses a metal detector for fun. He found a civil war belt buckle and tried to sell it on e-bay. Turns out that it went for over 500 dollars- and it is a felony to sell recovered artifacts for over 500 bucks.

So they seized his computer and found some porn that didn't have the recordkeeping done to it. It wass adult stuff, but there was no way to prove it. He plead to the first charge to keep clear of the porn felony.

Per Wikipedia, in Mass any crime carrying a prison sentence is a felony.




As far as the selling over $500...I had no idea this was the law. Just did some checking up on it...looks like it is true. What bullshit.

Now...what do you mean by having the "recordkeeping" done to the porn?
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 8:26:51 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Zippy_The_Wonderdog:
As far as the selling over $500...I had no idea this was the law. Just did some checking up on it...looks like it is true. What bullshit.

Now...what do you mean by having the "recordkeeping" done to the porn?



Don't l0ok at porn much, do you?

Sites now have to carry a label that they comply with federal recordkeeping requirements that show the models/actors they use are over the age of 18. If the pic does't have a copyright, then you can't backtrack to the site, and check the birth certificate.
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 8:30:21 AM EDT
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 8:31:27 AM EDT

Originally Posted By AR15fan:
Seems to be a recurring theme in several threads. Statements to the effect of "anything can be a felony now" or "just about everything is a felony now."

So in your opinion what crimes are felonies in your state, which should not be?

In my state there are 4 classes of crimes:

Infractions: Speeding tickets, unlicensed driver, possession of tless than an ounce of marijuana, open container ect. (punishable by fine only)

Misdemeanors: Driving on suspended license, petty theft, possession of less than 3 grams of meth/heroin/cocaine ect, Statutory rape, DUI. (punishable by fine, probation or jail)

Wobblers: Crimes that can be filed as a felony or misdemeanor depending on the circumstances. Illegal CCW, most weapons violations, auto theft, ADW, child endangerment, petty theft with prior conviction, domestic violence. (punishable by fine, probation, jail or prison)

Felonies: Drug sales, murder, rape, 4th DUI cinviction, robbery. (punishable by fine, jail, probation or prison)





Mags containing more than 10 rds.
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 8:35:15 AM EDT
Hookers n blow my friend, hookers n blow. Should be legal as a walk in the park.
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 8:36:09 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:

Originally Posted By Zippy_The_Wonderdog:
As far as the selling over $500...I had no idea this was the law. Just did some checking up on it...looks like it is true. What bullshit.

Now...what do you mean by having the "recordkeeping" done to the porn?



Don't l0ok at porn much, do you?

Sites now have to carry a label that they comply with federal recordkeeping requirements that show the models/actors they use are over the age of 18. If the pic does't have a copyright, then you can't backtrack to the site, and check the birth certificate.



Holy shit. Time to check my archives...
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 8:44:35 AM EDT
Anything related to operating a motor vehicle (traffic violation, MVA with only property damage, etc) should be treated as a civil case between the operator and the party that is affected by negligence. If no 2nd party is affected by the actions of the first party, in my mind, no crime has been commited.

Want to solve speeding on public road? Get rid of all the guard rails...let physics regulate the speed. If you can navigte a turn safely, so be it - if you cant, you onyl get one screw up, then you never do it again.

Regarding drug offenses - legalize everything, but at the same time, eliminate ALL state run and funded rehab centers. Methadone......gone. Free clinics.....gone. Emergency services when an addict OD's.......gone. Let these people kill themselves off - inside of 2-3 generations the entire drug problem will be resolved permanently.


Bottom line, if there isnt a victim, there isnt a crime.
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 8:50:25 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Paul:
Lots of crimes against animals - like killing a domestic cat/dog...


Paul, in our state domestic animals are treated as property. So stealing one one be petty theft unless its worjth over $400.00. killing one, provided you did it in a human manner, is vandalism and a misdemeanor unless worth over $2,000.00.
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 8:51:35 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Specop_007:
Hookers n blow my friend, hookers n blow.


Misdemeanors in my state.
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 9:02:42 AM EDT
I think that if you have been a good boy or girl for 15 years they get taken off your record. The ones we have now are fine and I doubt I would change any of them but second chances should be given, I mean, isn't it American to give second chances. You blow it after that then you are labeled for life. As far as what happened on the board, I don't judge.
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 9:18:35 AM EDT
Things that should not be felonies?

Non-violent federal offenses like EPA violations.

Lying to a federal agent.

Obscure things in state laws like removing grave markers (an Arkansas felony).

All drug offenses.

"Felon in possession" gun laws

All non-violent weapon "offenses."



Now, my problem is with the definition of felony as "anything with a sentence 1 year or longer," as I believe many crimes ought to have long sentences but you ought not lose your right to protect yourself with a firearm (for example, corruption, bribery, false statement to FBI)
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 9:22:57 AM EDT
The only felony I have ever really committed is:

It was a really dark night and it was a poorly lit area, I was shing a laser pointer around and it went into a police car and it accidentally hit a cop, I never saw the car or the occupant. Since I had no criminal intent I could not be charged...it was an honest mistake. I guess it was not even a felony because it was accidental.
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 9:29:04 AM EDT
Repeat DUI. I know a lot of kids here at school that have gotten DUIs unfairly - the legal limit is so low here that you could be well over it and still safe. Loss of basic rights for driving while buzzed is ridiculous. Drug dealers get off easier.

I’m opposed to almost all incarceration in the way the US carries it out. I think the criminals should be used for forced labor in a for profit operation. Slave-out all violent criminals that we don’t execute. Drug users should be monitored with the new ankle bracelets they have to detect when a person becomes users the influence of a substance. I don’t have a good answer for what to do with drug distributors.
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 9:35:25 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Ardenner:
Repeat DUI. I know a lot of kids here at school that have gotten DUIs unfairly - the legal limit is so low here that you could be well over it and still safe.



.08% is too low in your opinion? Thats like 7 beers in 4 hours for a 170# man.

Zero tolenrance convictions for minors do not count as prior DUI convictions. How many .08% or above DUI's does a person have to get in your state for it to be a felony? its 4 in 10 years here.
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 9:39:37 AM EDT

Originally Posted By jblachly:
Things that should not be felonies?

Non-violent federal offenses like EPA violations.

Lying to a federal agent.

Obscure things in state laws like removing grave markers (an Arkansas felony).

All drug offenses.

"Felon in possession" gun laws

All non-violent weapon "offenses."



Now, my problem is with the definition of felony as "anything with a sentence 1 year or longer," as I believe many crimes ought to have long sentences but you ought not lose your right to protect yourself with a firearm (for example, corruption, bribery, false statement to FBI)



I agree with that totally.
Some things should be automatic.
Some perhaps should have a separate hearing for Rights Forfeiture.

Is it a felony if you violate a RO by merely possessing a gun?
If so, that would be total BS.

Ya know, the more I think about this shit, and after having served on a jury which was tampered with by the State, I am not sure I would ever be taken if there was any other option at all. All the more reason to be armed and all the more reason for the State not to want us armed. Far easier to herd us into the pen for slaughter if that is the case.

I am becoming more militant with age, not less. The result of watching our freedoms being gradually infringed upon. And my wife thinks I've mellowed.
You should have seen me when I was 20.
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 9:42:27 AM EDT

Originally Posted By drjarhead:

Originally Posted By jblachly:
Things that should not be felonies?

Non-violent federal offenses like EPA violations.

Lying to a federal agent.

Obscure things in state laws like removing grave markers (an Arkansas felony).

All drug offenses.

"Felon in possession" gun laws

All non-violent weapon "offenses."



Now, my problem is with the definition of felony as "anything with a sentence 1 year or longer," as I believe many crimes ought to have long sentences but you ought not lose your right to protect yourself with a firearm (for example, corruption, bribery, false statement to FBI)



I agree with that totally.
Some things should be automatic.
Some perhaps should have a separate hearing for Rights Forfeiture.

Is it a felony if you violate a RO by merely possessing a gun?
If so, that would be total BS.

Ya know, the more I think about this shit, and after having served on a jury which was tampered with by the State, I am not sure I would ever be taken if there was any other option at all. All the more reason to be armed and all the more reason for the State not to want us armed. Far easier to herd us into the pen for slaughter if that is the case.

I am becoming more militant with age, not less. The result of watching our freedoms being gradually infringed upon. And my wife thinks I've mellowed.
You should have seen me when I was 20.



Too bad none of my staff are -- as far as I know! -- like you, Doc.
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 9:54:56 AM EDT
caag.state.ca.us/cjsc/datatabs.htm

Lots of good information here on felonies and misdemeanors. Also stats on the number of LEOs, DAs, and Corrections Officers. Some eye-openers there.
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 10:03:38 AM EDT
How about walking on railroad tracks. Walking on railroad or the rail road right of way(8 feet to each side of the tracks) in Oregon is Criminal Traspass in the First Degree, Felony.
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 10:12:54 AM EDT
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 10:19:24 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Lockedon:
ALL non-violent drug offenses



Yes
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 12:31:18 PM EDT
gambling (and i use the term loosely) related felonies.

If it's not a felony for Vegas or the STATE Of CALIFORNIA to take your cash why anyone else...Caveat emptor. It's not like you NEED to gamble.

I would like to see some mandatory 20 year sentences for defrauding seniors and ID theft. These things proliferate because the risk is low (and recidivism high).

Link Posted: 3/25/2006 12:41:48 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Dave_A:
Felonies:

Smuggling, all drug abuse/distribution violations, DUI in excess, all crimes that injure/kill a person (financial & property injury count), treason, terrorisim, espionage... Tax evasion above a certain dollar amount....

Come to think of it, there are few crimes I know of (except federal weapons violations) that are overpunished... Many (minor drug posession, murder, smuggling) are UNDER punished....

Further, I am a believer in 'perminant stigmatization' of felons - IMHO if you fuck up once, you should be under the microscope untill you prove that you can be trusted not to re-offend... Once convicted, you have lost your rights by due process of law (See 14th), and now only have what privledges you are given.... I'd say let them keep free speech, press & religeon, but search & siezure, arms, and so on... gone...



Would you mind justifying how any of this is a good idea? I'd really like to hear your reasoning, I was
fairly sure most folks on this board prefered freedom over the alternatives. It seems like you'd prefer a everything-forbidden-unless-explicitly-allowed law, which while simpler is.. err, not fun.
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 1:03:39 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Marte:
How about walking on railroad tracks. Walking on railroad or the rail road right of way(8 feet to each side of the tracks) in Oregon is Criminal Traspass in the First Degree, Felony.



Wow!

CPC 555 here. a non bookable cite & realease misdemeanor handled as an infraction in traffic court here.
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 1:07:31 PM EDT
I know of at least one state university which encompasses a downtown area that has a law against possesion of weapons, even if they are in your vehicle. Guess what- it's a felony.
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 1:09:22 PM EDT
Child-Support non payment
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 1:11:57 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Zippy_The_Wonderdog:
As long as a gentleman complies with The Rule of Thumb, administering corrections to one's ladyfriend, when necessary, should not only be pardoned but encouraged as well.


You are in favor of guys beating women eh? Never mind all that eupemistic "rule of thumb" stuff, thats exactly what you just said. Neandrethal.
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 1:12:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/25/2006 1:14:08 PM EDT by AR15fan]

Originally Posted By Hylton:
Child-Support non payment



Civil issue here.
Starting to sound like Cali is a lot more free than the rest of the nation when it comes to "criminals" loosing gun rights.

Things that are civil, infractions, or misdemeanors here are allegedly felonies in some states.
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 1:12:35 PM EDT

Originally Posted By jblachly:
"Felon in possession" gun laws


You are in favor of criminals having firearms?
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 1:13:20 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/25/2006 1:18:52 PM EDT by clement]
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Link Posted: 3/25/2006 1:28:19 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
I know of at least one state university which encompasses a downtown area that has a law against possesion of weapons, even if they are in your vehicle. Guess what- it's a felony.



I believe the same federal law than banned the new manufacture of MGs would protect someone who was simply travelling through the campus.

As for students on campus, that's a tough one. with all the drug and alcohol experimentation going on, and complete lack of privacy and security, its probably a good ide to prohibit firearms on campus.
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 1:46:53 PM EDT

Originally Posted By AR15fan:

Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
I know of at least one state university which encompasses a downtown area that has a law against possesion of weapons, even if they are in your vehicle. Guess what- it's a felony.



I believe the same federal law than banned the new manufacture of MGs would protect someone who was simply travelling through the campus.

As for students on campus, that's a tough one. with all the drug and alcohol experimentation going on, and complete lack of privacy and security, its probably a good ide to prohibit firearms on campus.



Certainly a legitimate point but what message does that send to these impressionable dimwits?

That your rights can be infringed upon if those in power deem it necessary for your safety. More socialist utopia nanny state crap.
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 4:40:42 PM EDT

Originally Posted By drjarhead:

Originally Posted By AR15fan:

Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
I know of at least one state university which encompasses a downtown area that has a law against possesion of weapons, even if they are in your vehicle. Guess what- it's a felony.



I believe the same federal law than banned the new manufacture of MGs would protect someone who was simply travelling through the campus.

As for students on campus, that's a tough one. with all the drug and alcohol experimentation going on, and complete lack of privacy and security, its probably a good ide to prohibit firearms on campus.



Certainly a legitimate point but what message does that send to these impressionable dimwits?



That drugs and guns dont belong on public school grounds?
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 4:45:09 PM EDT

Originally Posted By gardenWeasel:
www.home.earthlink.net/~thegardenweasel/warning.jpg



Winner, IMHO.

Link Posted: 3/25/2006 4:46:38 PM EDT

Originally Posted By AR15fan:

Originally Posted By drjarhead:

Originally Posted By AR15fan:

Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
I know of at least one state university which encompasses a downtown area that has a law against possesion of weapons, even if they are in your vehicle. Guess what- it's a felony.



I believe the same federal law than banned the new manufacture of MGs would protect someone who was simply travelling through the campus.

As for students on campus, that's a tough one. with all the drug and alcohol experimentation going on, and complete lack of privacy and security, its probably a good ide to prohibit firearms on campus.



Certainly a legitimate point but what message does that send to these impressionable dimwits?



That drugs and guns dont belong on public school grounds?



Why should firearms be illegal in a school? Does this not deny a Second Ammendment right?
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 4:47:49 PM EDT

Originally Posted By AR15fan:

Originally Posted By drjarhead:

Originally Posted By AR15fan:

Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
I know of at least one state university which encompasses a downtown area that has a law against possesion of weapons, even if they are in your vehicle. Guess what- it's a felony.



I believe the same federal law than banned the new manufacture of MGs would protect someone who was simply travelling through the campus.

As for students on campus, that's a tough one. with all the drug and alcohol experimentation going on, and complete lack of privacy and security, its probably a good ide to prohibit firearms on campus.



Certainly a legitimate point but what message does that send to these impressionable dimwits?



That drugs and guns dont belong on public school grounds?



It is not an elementary school.
It is a university and they are adults.
Further, being gov't property it is exactly what the US and State Constitutions cover.
Drugs don't belong on Universities Bwahahahahahahahah!

What is does do is convince them utopia is a gun free area. Let's remember that for these nitwits, they are living free and largely for free. Gov't subsidizes them or it is the Fraternity of Mama-Papa-Sister. So they have virtually no responsibilities and all of their needs are provided. If you consider all of the Socialist ideology that is involved in this last paragraph you will see my point. And that is without even considering the socialist brainwashing they get everyday. I remember it well.
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 4:48:18 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Hylton:
Child-Support non payment



Well, I suppose to those of us supporting kids that the parents refuse to support, see that a tad differently.

I say castrate the men and rip out the plumbing of the women who don't support their kids. Can't pay? Don't play.
YMMV
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 4:52:00 PM EDT
Things that should NOT be felonies, and should NOT be illegal in any way, shape or form:

-Posession of any type of firearm, in any place, in any manner.

-Carrying of any type of firearm, in any place, in any manner.

-Resisting arrest (for people who are not guilty of any other crime)

I can't think of any others right now....but I would bet that probably ~50% of all things that are classified as felonies shouldn't be considered crimes at all.
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