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Posted: 10/29/2010 11:21:30 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/29/2010 11:23:50 AM EDT
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What I am talking about is our current situation that is clearly way beyond the capabilitis of our current leader.
If the US would be under attack, and if the POTUS was not acting in the best interest of the nation, how and when could the military over-ride him and take control? |
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Posted: 10/29/2010 11:23:51 AM EDT
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what are you talking about Exactly what you think he is... To the OP...it doesnt work that way here. We arent Sudan, Zimbabwe, or any other 3rd world shithole where military coup's take place. |
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Posted: 10/29/2010 11:24:48 AM EDT
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what are you talking about Exactly what you think he is... To the OP...it doesnt work that way here. We arent Sudan, Zimbabwe, or any other 3rd world shithole where military coup's take place. I'm not talking about a coup, at all. I'm talking about the security of the US in the event of an attack and the in-action of a sitting president. Hypothetical. |
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Posted: 10/29/2010 11:26:33 AM EDT
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I'm going to be an ignorant brit and chime in the only way I know how - by referencing episodes of 24!  Don't they (Mil) have to get Congress and all that lot to sanction it? |
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Posted: 10/29/2010 11:27:14 AM EDT
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The military would not take control. There's too much bureaucracy involved for them to do that. If anything, it would be informal militias consisting of troops, LEO's and/or citizens.
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Posted: 10/29/2010 11:29:24 AM EDT
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what are you talking about Exactly what you think he is... To the OP...it doesnt work that way here. We arent Sudan, Zimbabwe, or any other 3rd world shithole where military coup's take place. I'm not talking about a coup, at all. I'm talking about the security of the US in the event of an attack and the in-action of a sitting president. Hypothetical. No, you actually are talking about a coup. ETA: from Dictionary.com: A quick and decisive seizure of governmental power by a strong military or political group.
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Posted: 10/29/2010 11:30:17 AM EDT
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yes, you are talking about a coup. Do realize that there is a COC for just such things?
If the president is deemed incapable at any time then command goes to the VP, then down to the speaker of the house, then the President pro tempore of the Senate, then SOS, and so on and so forth. Secretary of defense isnt untill #6 on the list and Secretary of homeland defense is dead last. Weve got a few people to go through... |
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Posted: 10/29/2010 11:31:35 AM EDT
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what are you talking about Exactly what you think he is... To the OP...it doesnt work that way here. We arent Sudan, Zimbabwe, or any other 3rd world shithole where military coup's take place. I'm not talking about a coup, at all. I'm talking about the security of the US in the event of an attack and the in-action of a sitting president. Hypothetical. Well, if he is HYPOTHETICALLY overcome by events a determination will probably be made once he has been evacuated to the undisclosed location. In the event that, "the Russians" have launched an overwhelming Airborne/Airmobile Assault into the Northeast / Mid Atlantic states and are threatening to overwhelm local defensive formations. Now, if you are asking, what the procedure is in the event that he refuses to take action........ |
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Posted: 10/29/2010 11:33:18 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: what are you talking about Exactly what you think he is... To the OP...it doesnt work that way here. We arent Sudan, Zimbabwe, or any other 3rd world shithole where military coup's take place. I'm not talking about a coup, at all. I'm talking about the security of the US in the event of an attack and the in-action of a sitting president. Hypothetical. I can not sit here even for a minute and think that our military would do nothing to protect us no matter what BHO did. |
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Posted: 10/29/2010 11:34:34 AM EDT
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The military would not take control. There's too much bureaucracy involved for them to do that. If anything, it would be informal militias consisting of troops, fat ass ARFCOM mall ninjas, LEO's and/or citizens. Fixed for you. |
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Posted: 10/29/2010 11:34:49 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/29/2010 11:34:58 AM EDT
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I'm going to be an ignorant brit and chime in the only way I know how - by referencing episodes of 24!
Don't they (Mil) have to get Congress and all that lot to sanction it?
Hey, being 50 miles outside Chicago, thanks to your island Sir. England could have very well saved my family's life today. |
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Posted: 10/29/2010 11:35:44 AM EDT
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what are you talking about Exactly what you think he is... To the OP...it doesnt work that way here. We arent Sudan, Zimbabwe, or any other 3rd world shithole where military coup's take place. I'm not talking about a coup, at all. I'm talking about the security of the US in the event of an attack and the in-action of a sitting president. Hypothetical. I can not sit here even for a minute and think that our military would do nothing to protect us no matter what BHO did. Yes. Local commanders will immediately take appropriate measures to defend their local areas, facilitate the evacuation of civilians, and "hold the line" until issued orders from National Command Authority at the Pentagon. |
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Posted: 10/29/2010 11:35:59 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/29/2010 11:36:16 AM EDT
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So, Barry knew about this last night and birds have been landing all day. Now fighters are in the air. Legit question, what powers if any does the military have in situations where national security is at stake to over ride the POTUS? Fuck you Barry. Fuck you very much. What has he done or failed to do that you don't approve of? |
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Posted: 10/29/2010 11:37:51 AM EDT
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what are you talking about Exactly what you think he is... To the OP...it doesnt work that way here. We arent Sudan, Zimbabwe, or any other 3rd world shithole where military coup's take place. I'm not talking about a coup, at all. I'm talking about the security of the US in the event of an attack and the in-action of a sitting president. Hypothetical. I can not sit here even for a minute and think that our military would do nothing to protect us no matter what BHO did. Yes. Local commanders will immediately take appropriate measures to defend their local areas, facilitate the evacuation of civilians, and "hold the line" until issued orders from National Command Authority at the Pentagon. So then, it could happen? I'm not endorsing any sort of anti-constitutional action. But given the fact I am not in the military, nor have I ever been, I am asking for some input from actual military people. I am asking a legit question. I'm not asking for the opinions of idealists, but military folks or those whom actually know. |
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Posted: 10/29/2010 11:38:30 AM EDT
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So, Barry knew about this last night and birds have been landing all day. Now fighters are in the air. Legit question, what powers if any does the military have in situations where national security is at stake to over ride the POTUS? Fuck you Barry. Fuck you very much. What has he done or failed to do that you don't approve of? I approve of nothing he does. Pehaps you do. I don't. |
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Posted: 10/29/2010 11:38:31 AM EDT
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what are you talking about Exactly what you think he is... To the OP...it doesnt work that way here. We arent Sudan, Zimbabwe, or any other 3rd world shithole where military coup's take place. I'm not talking about a coup, at all. I'm talking about the security of the US in the event of an attack and the in-action of a sitting president. Hypothetical. I can not sit here even for a minute and think that our military would do nothing to protect us no matter what BHO did. I would think though that CnC comes very much from the top. If POTUS is sitting on his hands doing nothing for whatever reason, I am sure any US military assets with knowledge of an attack would react, but how effective could they be without coordination from the top? |
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Posted: 10/29/2010 11:39:36 AM EDT
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If it walks like a coup, and it quacks like a coup, then it's a coup.
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Posted: 10/29/2010 11:39:42 AM EDT
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So, Barry knew about this last night and birds have been landing all day. Now fighters are in the air. Legit question, what powers if any does the military have in situations where national security is at stake to over ride the POTUS? Fuck you Barry. Fuck you very much. What has he done or failed to do that you don't approve of? Secure our border against the many foreign nationals that come across everyday and kill US citizens for a start? |
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Posted: 10/29/2010 11:39:53 AM EDT
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So, Barry knew about this last night and birds have been landing all day. Now fighters are in the air. Legit question, what powers if any does the military have in situations where national security is at stake to over ride the POTUS? Fuck you Barry. Fuck you very much. What has he done or failed to do that ou don't approve of? I approve of nothing he does. Pehaps you do. I don't. I generally don't approve of anything the President does either, but it seems like everything is being handled pretty well today so far. By allowing these planes to land and quarantine them, a more thorough investigation can be conducted. If we held them off outside the US, they run the risk of losing valuable evidence. |
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Posted: 10/29/2010 11:40:16 AM EDT
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More people think our current leader is doing OK than thought our last leader was, especially by the end of his presidency. The military has NO power to satisfy your partisan yearnings by circumventing our constitution and overthrowing the government, thank God. Vote. It's the American way. If you can't handle that, emigrate.
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Posted: 10/29/2010 11:40:22 AM EDT
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If it walks like a coup, and it quacks like a coup, then it's a coup. I dont think that is what he was getting at though. |
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Posted: 10/29/2010 11:41:03 AM EDT
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what are you talking about Exactly what you think he is... To the OP...it doesnt work that way here. We arent Sudan, Zimbabwe, or any other 3rd world shithole where military coup's take place. I'm not talking about a coup, at all. I'm talking about the security of the US in the event of an attack and the in-action of a sitting president. Hypothetical. I can not sit here even for a minute and think that our military would do nothing to protect us no matter what BHO did. I would think though that CnC comes very much from the top. If POTUS is sitting on his hands doing nothing for whatever reason, I am sure any US military assets with knowledge of an attack would react, but how effective could they be without coordination from the top? What if a sitting pres refused to act in the event of attack? |
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Posted: 10/29/2010 11:41:11 AM EDT
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So, Barry knew about this last night and birds have been landing all day. Now fighters are in the air. Legit question, what powers if any does the military have in situations where national security is at stake to over ride the POTUS? Fuck you Barry. Fuck you very much. What has he done or failed to do that you don't approve of? I approve of nothing he does. Pehaps you do. I don't. What specific thing Barry did knew about last night that has you so pissed? |
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Posted: 10/29/2010 11:41:49 AM EDT
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More people think our current leader is doing OK than thought our last leader was, especially by the end of his presidency. The military has NO power to satisfy your partisan yearnings by circumventing our constitution and overthrowing the government, thank God. Vote. It's the American way. If you can't handle that, emigrate. Again, pretty sure thats not where the OP was comming from, but at least you were able to share with us your love for obama so your post was not a total waste of fucking bandwidth. |
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Posted: 10/29/2010 11:43:03 AM EDT
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What I am talking about is our current situation that is clearly way beyond the capabilitis of our current leader. If the US would be under attack, and if the POTUS was not acting in the best interest of the nation, how and when could the military over-ride him and take control? Funny how you claim in much of the thread to be looking for a simple assessment of a military response in a leadership vacuum, while here, clearly, you describe a military coup. Do you think you're fooling anyone? |
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Posted: 10/29/2010 11:43:22 AM EDT
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Is that an HP/Agilent instrument being finger-fucked in the pic? Brian |
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Posted: 10/29/2010 11:43:39 AM EDT
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If it walks like a coup, and it quacks like a coup, then it's a coup. I dont think that is what he was getting at though. It's not at all but leave it to people here to draw their own assinine conclusions. I thought I asked a pretty reasonable question. |
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Posted: 10/29/2010 11:43:39 AM EDT
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More people think our current leader is doing OK than thought our last leader was, especially by the end of his presidency. The military has NO power to satisfy your partisan yearnings by circumventing our constitution and overthrowing the government, thank God. Vote. It's the American way. If you can't handle that, emigrate. Again, pretty sure thats not where the OP was comming from, but at least you were able to share with us your love for obama so your post was not a total waste of fucking bandwidth. Read the next post, or the thread, if you'd like to have a prayer of knowing what the fuck you're talking about. |
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Posted: 10/29/2010 11:44:29 AM EDT
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what are you talking about Exactly what you think he is... To the OP...it doesnt work that way here. We arent Sudan, Zimbabwe, or any other 3rd world shithole where military coup's take place. I'm not talking about a coup, at all. I'm talking about the security of the US in the event of an attack and the in-action of a sitting president. Hypothetical. I can not sit here even for a minute and think that our military would do nothing to protect us no matter what BHO did. I would think though that CnC comes very much from the top. If POTUS is sitting on his hands doing nothing for whatever reason, I am sure any US military assets with knowledge of an attack would react, but how effective could they be without coordination from the top? What if a sitting pres refused to act in the event of attack? Again, at some point I am sure the military would respond, and if POTUS ordered them not to most would consider than an illegal order, my question would be how effective would the response be though? Our military strength comes from intel, combined arms, coordinated action, that starts at the top. A POTUS that wanted to impeded that could do a lot to do so IMO. |
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Posted: 10/29/2010 11:44:43 AM EDT
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what are you talking about Exactly what you think he is... To the OP...it doesnt work that way here. We arent Sudan, Zimbabwe, or any other 3rd world shithole where military coup's take place. I'm not talking about a coup, at all. I'm talking about the security of the US in the event of an attack and the in-action of a sitting president. Hypothetical. I can not sit here even for a minute and think that our military would do nothing to protect us no matter what BHO did. I would think though that CnC comes very much from the top. If POTUS is sitting on his hands doing nothing for whatever reason, I am sure any US military assets with knowledge of an attack would react, but how effective could they be without coordination from the top? Reacting to a threat and taking over the country are 2 entirley different things. If the POTUS sat on his hand during an imminent disaster he would be overridden by THE GOVERNMENT not the military. He would be declared as being incompetent and the command would be given to Joe Biden in this case |
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Posted: 10/29/2010 11:44:44 AM EDT
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So, Barry knew about this last night and birds have been landing all day. Now fighters are in the air. Legit question, what powers if any does the military have in situations where national security is at stake to over ride the POTUS? Fuck you Barry. Fuck you very much. What has he done or failed to do that you don't approve of? Secure our border against the many foreign nationals that come across everyday and kill US citizens for a start? Guess you don't approve of any of our presidents then......... Brian |
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Posted: 10/29/2010 11:45:25 AM EDT
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So, Barry knew about this last night and birds have been landing all day. Now fighters are in the air. Legit question, what powers if any does the military have in situations where national security is at stake to over ride the POTUS? Fuck you Barry. Fuck you very much. What makes you think the military hasn't taken over already? |
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Posted: 10/29/2010 11:46:14 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/29/2010 11:47:50 AM EDT
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What if a sitting pres refused to act in the event of attack? Refused to knee-jerk immediately or never reacted? Brian Never reacted or acted in a way that was weak or an inappropriate response to an attack. I am not talking about a retaliation, but a response to an attack. This was just a question, and yes I see through your sarcasm. |
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Posted: 10/29/2010 11:48:00 AM EDT
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So, Barry knew about this last night and birds have been landing all day. Now fighters are in the air. Legit question, what powers if any does the military have in situations where national security is at stake to over ride the POTUS? Fuck you Barry. Fuck you very much. What makes you think the military hasn't taken over already? Alright, now we're cooking! Rebuttal? |
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Posted: 10/29/2010 11:48:09 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/29/2010 11:48:46 AM EDT
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So, Barry knew about this last night and birds have been landing all day. Now fighters are in the air. Legit question, what powers if any does the military have in situations where national security is at stake to over ride the POTUS? Fuck you Barry. Fuck you very much. What has he done or failed to do that you don't approve of? I approve of nothing he does. Pehaps you do. I don't. What specific thing Barry did knew about last night that has you so pissed? http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39911024/ns/us_news-airliner_security/ |
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Posted: 10/29/2010 11:49:44 AM EDT
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More people think our current leader is doing OK than thought our last leader was, especially by the end of his presidency. The military has NO power to satisfy your partisan yearnings by circumventing our constitution and overthrowing the government, thank God. Vote. It's the American way. If you can't handle that, emigrate. Again, pretty sure thats not where the OP was comming from, but at least you were able to share with us your love for obama so your post was not a total waste of fucking bandwidth. Read the next post, or the thread, if you'd like to have a prayer of knowing what the fuck you're talking about. I think I got the gist of where the OP was comming from. Take your beloved kenyan out of it for a moment, the OP was asking what would the response be of the US military to an attack on our homeland if the POTUS, any POTUS, were to sit on their hands. I know he used the kenyan usurper as an example, but say for the sake of argument it was Sara Palin. How would US military assets here react to such an event if POTUS couldnt give a shit. |
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Posted: 10/29/2010 11:49:54 AM EDT
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what are you talking about Exactly what you think he is... To the OP...it doesnt work that way here. We arent Sudan, Zimbabwe, or any other 3rd world shithole where military coup's take place. I'm not talking about a coup, at all. I'm talking about the security of the US in the event of an attack and the in-action of a sitting president. Hypothetical. I can not sit here even for a minute and think that our military would do nothing to protect us no matter what BHO did. I would think though that CnC comes very much from the top. If POTUS is sitting on his hands doing nothing for whatever reason, I am sure any US military assets with knowledge of an attack would react, but how effective could they be without coordination from the top? Reacting to a threat and taking over the country are 2 entirley different things. If the POTUS sat on his hand during an imminent disaster he would be overridden by THE GOVERNMENT not the military. He would be declared as being incompetent and the command would be given to Joe Biden in this case Who would over ride him? Biden? Pelosi? |
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Posted: 10/29/2010 11:50:42 AM EDT
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what are you talking about Exactly what you think he is... To the OP...it doesnt work that way here. We arent Sudan, Zimbabwe, or any other 3rd world shithole where military coup's take place. I'm not talking about a coup, at all. I'm talking about the security of the US in the event of an attack and the in-action of a sitting president. Hypothetical. I can not sit here even for a minute and think that our military would do nothing to protect us no matter what BHO did. Yes. Local commanders will immediately take appropriate measures to defend their local areas, facilitate the evacuation of civilians, and "hold the line" until issued orders from National Command Authority at the Pentagon. So then, it could happen? I'm not endorsing any sort of anti-constitutional action. But given the fact I am not in the military, nor have I ever been, I am asking for some input from actual military people. I am asking a legit question. I'm not asking for the opinions of idealists, but military folks or those whom actually know. If caught almost completely by surprise and under a coordinated assault without instructions from higher, individual unit commanders would mobalize and conduct a defense of the areas in the immediate vicinity of their command. For example: 10th Mountain at Ft Drum would punch out a perimeter around the Watertown, NY area, secure as many airstrips in the vicinity as they could, and keep as much of I-81 open as possible. Mainly defensive operations that would facilitate evacuation of non-combatants and provide the ability to quickly counter attack once given authorization and coordination. But those orders and coordinating instructions would have to be passed via the NCA at the Pentagon. Understand. Thanks. |
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Posted: 10/29/2010 11:51:12 AM EDT
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More people think our current leader is doing OK than thought our last leader was, especially by the end of his presidency. The military has NO power to satisfy your partisan yearnings by circumventing our constitution and overthrowing the government, thank God. Vote. It's the American way. If you can't handle that, emigrate. Again, pretty sure thats not where the OP was comming from, but at least you were able to share with us your love for obama so your post was not a total waste of fucking bandwidth. Read the next post, or the thread, if you'd like to have a prayer of knowing what the fuck you're talking about. I think I got the gist of where the OP was comming from. Take your beloved kenyan out of it for a moment, the OP was asking what would the response be of the US military to an attack on our homeland if the POTUS, any POTUS, were to sit on their hands. I know he used the kenyan usurper as an example, but say for the sake of argument it was Sara Palin. How would US military assets here react to such an event if POTUS couldnt give a shit. Yes |
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Posted: 10/29/2010 11:51:39 AM EDT
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If the President were to do nothing in the face of an all-out offensive war against the US homeland I would think that the Cabinet would remove him under the 25th Amendment.
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Posted: 10/29/2010 11:53:34 AM EDT
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what are you talking about Exactly what you think he is... To the OP...it doesnt work that way here. We arent Sudan, Zimbabwe, or any other 3rd world shithole where military coup's take place. I'm not talking about a coup, at all. I'm talking about the security of the US in the event of an attack and the in-action of a sitting president. Hypothetical. I can not sit here even for a minute and think that our military would do nothing to protect us no matter what BHO did. I would think though that CnC comes very much from the top. If POTUS is sitting on his hands doing nothing for whatever reason, I am sure any US military assets with knowledge of an attack would react, but how effective could they be without coordination from the top? Reacting to a threat and taking over the country are 2 entirley different things. If the POTUS sat on his hand during an imminent disaster he would be overridden by THE GOVERNMENT not the military. He would be declared as being incompetent and the command would be given to Joe Biden in this case Who would over ride him? Biden? Pelosi? He would be deemed incompetent. But this is all retarded anyways, as NO president would sit back after an attack and not do anything. The media and the populace would be livid. Congress would be holding some serious meetings and there would be lots of heads rolling. Death of the entire political party. This topic really isn't even worth considering, as there is NO way it would happen. And it sure as fuck wouldn't be a military coup. |
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what are you talking about Exactly what you think he is... To the OP...it doesnt work that way here. We arent Sudan, Zimbabwe, or any other 3rd world shithole where military coup's take place. I'm not talking about a coup, at all. I'm talking about the security of the US in the event of an attack and the in-action of a sitting president. Hypothetical. I can not sit here even for a minute and think that our military would do nothing to protect us no matter what BHO did. I would think though that CnC comes very much from the top. If POTUS is sitting on his hands doing nothing for whatever reason, I am sure any US military assets with knowledge of an attack would react, but how effective could they be without coordination from the top? Reacting to a threat and taking over the country are 2 entirley different things. If the POTUS sat on his hand during an imminent disaster he would be overridden by THE GOVERNMENT not the military. He would be declared as being incompetent and the command would be given to Joe Biden in this case Who would over ride him? Biden? Pelosi? The 25th amendment He would be replaced by Biden. If Biden was declared incompetent then Pelosi. Go google "presidential line of sucession" There are 17 other people in line. |
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Posted: 10/29/2010 11:54:44 AM EDT
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If the President were to do nothing in the face of an all-out offensive war against the US homeland I would think that the Cabinet would remove him under the 25th Amendment. Indeed they would. And it would happen a lot earlier than when parachutes were falling out of the sky in central Colorado or Washington D.C. |
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Posted: 10/29/2010 11:55:56 AM EDT
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So, Barry knew about this last night and birds have been landing all day. Now fighters are in the air. Legit question, what powers if any does the military have in situations where national security is at stake to over ride the POTUS? Fuck you Barry. Fuck you very much. What has he done or failed to do that you don't approve of? Secure our border against the many foreign nationals that come across everyday and kill US citizens for a start? Guess you don't approve of any of our presidents then......... Brian I wouldnt say that, but the problem has gotten worse under bush and now obama. Carter fucked up the economy to the point no one wanted to sneak in, Reagan was busy with the cold war, Bush Sr with finishing off the USSR, clinton had other concerns as we all know, and he actually stepped up deportations under his watch. But the fact we dont have real security on our southern border, one we share with a failed narco state on the verge of civil war, well that belongs to the nice kenyan fellow. |
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Posted: 10/29/2010 11:57:17 AM EDT
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If the President were to do nothing in the face of an all-out offensive war against the US homeland I would think that the Cabinet would remove him under the 25th Amendment. Indeed they would. And it would happen a lot earlier than when parachutes were falling out of the sky in central Colorado or Washington D.C. I'd think we'd have some cold war provisions that are in place to handle this kind of thing. Understand I am not a military man, nor a national security expert, just a carpenter asking questions to people who know. |
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