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Posted: 10/25/2004 3:41:43 AM EST
Why spend the extra cash is my question.
I'm jones-ing for an SL8 to convert myself conversion
figure the whole package would run me 1500?

Why go for it?
Link Posted: 10/25/2004 3:44:17 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/25/2004 3:44:59 AM EST by mjohn3006]
Why the heck is there a gap between the handguard and the frontsight/rail???



1) it looks stupid
2) um....walking in the woods that gap would snag every twig and vine it got near.
Link Posted: 10/25/2004 3:46:13 AM EST
Get a RobArms M96
Link Posted: 10/25/2004 3:46:38 AM EST
Sortage of (expensive) parts and a dependable mag well for 10 round mags and that's about it.
Link Posted: 10/25/2004 3:47:12 AM EST

Originally Posted By dpmmn:
Get a RobArms M96



BINGO!
Link Posted: 10/25/2004 3:48:39 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/25/2004 3:51:00 AM EST by chapperjoe]
M96 doesn't have a PERCENTAGE point of cool factor on the g36 conversion.

and 1599 new plus dealer/transfer fee is PAINFUL price
Link Posted: 10/25/2004 3:51:55 AM EST
Maybe not, but it's a hell of a lot cheaper and more useful...
Link Posted: 10/25/2004 3:56:07 AM EST
cheaper. ???? sl8 = 900-110 in 98% condition. conversion is 600.

Same price.
Link Posted: 10/25/2004 3:58:00 AM EST

Originally Posted By chapperjoe:
M96 doesn't have a PERCENTAGE point of cool factor on the g36 conversion.

and 1599 new plus dealer/transfer fee is PAINFUL price




There is one in the EE right now for $1300.00

Offer him $1250.00 shipped for it
Link Posted: 10/25/2004 3:59:08 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/25/2004 4:00:09 AM EST by thelibertarian]
Purchase gray NIB SL-8 , $1000
Purchase folding stock conversion from a complete asshole named Todd Bailey $300?
Magwell conversion to accept double-stack AR mags $500? (don't know, but Todd is involved, so it is expensive and you will be unhappy)
Have gun dyed black (no idea, how expensive) $200?
Purchase correct carry handle and sights, again, what $800?

My figures could be way off, but I'm certain you're not getting out of it for less than $2,000, that's for sure. If someone is selling one for $1200 someplace, it must have PROBLEMS.

You're talking some serious coin to build up a rifle that only roughly approximates a G36 for no explicable reason other than it looks like the ones the JBTs carry. $2K buys a top of the line AR, maybe two of them.

Add to that the problem of the receivers cracking, what have you got? A safe queen? A coolness factor for someone who doesn't shoot much?

Go buy an AK for $450 and spend the rest of the money on ammo and mags and go shoot for crissakes.


Wait for someone to come out with a real G36 clone. Sheesh.
Link Posted: 10/25/2004 4:03:34 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/25/2004 4:05:34 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/25/2004 4:06:26 AM EST by Zaphod]

Originally Posted By chapperjoe:
cheaper. ???? sl8 = 900-110 in 98% condition. conversion is 600.

Same price.



Hmmmm...... I thought the SL8 was more expensive than that.

Oops!




Go buy an AK for $450 and spend the rest of the money on ammo and mags and go shoot for crissakes.



Good advice!
Link Posted: 10/25/2004 4:06:05 AM EST
I love these comments


Go buy an AK for $450 and spend the rest of the money on ammo and mags and go shoot for crissakes.
Wait for someone to come out with a real G36 clone. Sheesh.



OK, why would I woant a fourth AK??
And why would I want a G36?

I never said I want a G36.
I said I want an sl8 with the linked convsrion, which is only the mag conversion.
Once the m96 was brought up, I countered with the g36 for PG reasons. But I would never do the full conversion.
That's kinda useless.
Link Posted: 10/25/2004 4:07:43 AM EST

Originally Posted By chapperjoe:
OK, why would I woant a fourth AK??
And why would I want a G36?



What are you, a Liberal?

You should know better than to ask that type of question!
Link Posted: 10/25/2004 4:16:55 AM EST
Why anybody would still be willing to deal with Todd Bailey and his minions after all these years of bad press is beyond me.

Link Posted: 10/25/2004 4:33:28 AM EST
does anyone else offer mag conversion kit.???
Hell, even without the conversion... is it more accurate than AR? easier to clean?
I know how they work and all that crap, but why go for sl8?
Link Posted: 10/25/2004 7:13:10 AM EST
First, Rabbi Krustofski , I wouldn't put 2 cents in the pocket of that Toady. Second, what is your purpose in such a conversion?

HK envy?


Are you a user or a collector?
Link Posted: 10/25/2004 8:09:27 AM EST
this would be for a collection, not really use
Link Posted: 10/25/2004 8:13:24 AM EST
I had an SL8-1. I traded it in for an AR. An SL8 is a good gun, especially for people in states where there is an AWB.

I however, would never even consider doing one of those SL8-1 to "G36" conversions! You could get an AR for less money, and the conversion voids the warranty! Plus, the really cool reddot/scope/carry handle optic for the SL8-1 costs $750!

Get an AR and an Aimpoint!
Link Posted: 10/25/2004 9:59:02 AM EST
I love my clone. It's like anything, you do it just because you want to.

Link Posted: 10/25/2004 10:05:57 AM EST
If I was that far off on the prices, I stand corrected. If you can do this for the price of a high-end AR, then I guess it makes more sense. But when I was following these conversion "plots" about a year ago, it seemed damned expensive to me.

Plus, I just know if there is a demand, someone will come out with a G36 semi within the next couple of years. Hell, if Vector can make money on HK53 clones and DSA is going to do an AUG clone, it's a no-brainer.


Link Posted: 10/25/2004 10:12:32 AM EST

Originally Posted By chapperjoe:
does anyone else offer mag conversion kit.???
Hell, even without the conversion... is it more accurate than AR? easier to clean?
I know how they work and all that crap, but why go for sl8?



It is about 2x LESS accurate than the AR...

In any given price range, the AR is the most accurate semiauto rifle made. PERIOD.

There is no concievable reason to go for a HK system gun, unless you're one of those 'polished-turd-with-HK-insignia' worshippers...
Link Posted: 10/25/2004 10:15:19 AM EST
It's less accurate! that's all i needed to hear. period.
I don't need a less accurate rifle than my AR's.

F that!

Link Posted: 10/25/2004 10:16:18 AM EST
I really like mine. I have a gray SL8-1, with a G36 bi pod. It shoots really nice, is very accurate, and is MUCH easier to clean than an AR. I couldn't care less about the 10 round mag, very few targets shoot back. The conversion is a total waste of $$$ IMHO. Plus, they're a little different (LIKE ME!!)....
Link Posted: 10/25/2004 10:18:08 AM EST

MUCH easier to clean than an AR. I couldn't care less about the 10 round mag, very few targets shoot back. The conversion is a total waste of $$$ IMHO. Plus, they're a little different (LIKE ME!!)....


check on that......... but less accurate than AR>!>!>!>!>????
Link Posted: 10/25/2004 10:18:34 AM EST
The SL8 offers infinitely more geekage. To put your question a different way "I can get a new Denali for about $35,000.00 or a '64 Rambler station wagon for a few thousand more. I'm torn. What should I do?"
Link Posted: 10/25/2004 10:20:38 AM EST
nononononono - I would definitely be into an expensive toy, but a less accurate than AR toy?!?!?!
Link Posted: 10/25/2004 10:39:04 AM EST
you get a a newer style rifle

and the HK logo

and less money in your wallet
Link Posted: 10/25/2004 10:53:00 AM EST

Originally Posted By chapperjoe:
nononononono - I would definitely be into an expensive toy, but a less accurate than AR toy?!?!?!



If you want a cool, new, SCI-FI looking "toy" get a CX4 or a NEOS.

They should both be NY compliant.
Link Posted: 10/25/2004 10:59:24 AM EST

Originally Posted By chapperjoe:
nononononono - I would definitely be into an expensive toy, but a less accurate than AR toy?!?!?!



IMHO, the "2x less accurate" comment is just foolish. Hey, I can appreciate it if you just plan hate HK, they're a spineless company. That's fine. But the weapons aren't garbage. I think the world is big enough for HKs and ARs. I've had NO TROUBLE with my HK.

I love my UMP Clone too!


But I love my ARs as much!
Link Posted: 10/25/2004 11:14:52 AM EST

Originally Posted By hepcat85:

Originally Posted By chapperjoe:
nononononono - I would definitely be into an expensive toy, but a less accurate than AR toy?!?!?!



IMHO, the "2x less accurate" comment is just foolish. Hey, I can appreciate it if you just plan hate HK, they're a spineless company. That's fine. But the weapons aren't garbage. I think the world is big enough for HKs and ARs. I've had NO TROUBLE with my HK.

I love my UMP Clone too!
img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/hepcat85/UMP1red.jpg

But I love my ARs as much!



neato!! UMP clone!? where can I get one and how much!?
Link Posted: 10/25/2004 11:23:11 AM EST
"Geekage?" must be a new word not in my dictionary. The H&K is at least as accurate, if not more so than an AR. Either is far more accurate than the person pulling the trigger..
Link Posted: 10/25/2004 11:40:42 AM EST

Originally Posted By mmsig229:
"Geekage?" must be a new word not in my dictionary. The H&K is at least as accurate, if not more so than an AR. Either is far more accurate than the person pulling the trigger..



Yes, it's a neologism. It means "the quality or appearance of a geek." The SL8 is a gratuitously ugly weapon, however well it shoots.
Link Posted: 10/25/2004 11:49:49 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/25/2004 11:53:18 AM EST by NEPAshooter]
The claim that the SL8 is less accurate is myth.

ALOT of shooters that pick up an SL8 attempt to duplicate AR shooting results, and quickly dismiss the inaccuracy as the weapon. They eagerly shove 55grain M193 or the like into the action, and hope for the best.

The SL8 has a chrome lined 1/7 twist barrel, measuring out at 18.5".

It was designed for match ammo, leaning towards 68 gr FGMM type loads. Even an AR with 1/7 twist will have slightly erratic flyers with 55 grain factory ammo due to the excessive spin forces.

I have friends that repeatedly shoot sub MOA (.5 - .75) with their SL8 with 68+ grain handloads.

I know that this can be done with an AR also, so I'm not saying it's 'better'.

Just not '2x less' like is being perpertrated.

Yes, the gun in Gray is fugly. A quick Dye job solves that.



Yes, I know the irons are worthless in general on a match type gun, and even more so at that short sight radius. I threw them back on so there was 'something' since I'm not including my glass with it.

In case you care, I'm selling mine to make room for an SP89. That's the ONLY reason I'm selling it. Shootabilitywise (new fake word of the day) it's a very smooth and clean gun to shoot match style. (bench, prone, etc)

I will refrain from linking the ad since I don't want this to be a total plug for me selling the gun. LOL.

E.
Link Posted: 10/25/2004 1:40:06 PM EST
umm I can't find your ad And I'm interested in your rifle EMAIL SENT.
Link Posted: 10/25/2004 3:46:19 PM EST
SL-8 out of the box, with a G36K forearm added...


Partially de-fuglified SL8 with stock conversion and mag conversion...still has the original sight rail



Final version (well, not quite...I plan on adding a G36 magwell)



SL8: $1000
G36K forearm: $125
Stock/magwell conversion: $600
Aluminum (non-HK) rail: $125
EOTECH 512: $299
Link Posted: 10/25/2004 3:50:38 PM EST
Blatherman, where did you get that aluminium raiL?

Link Posted: 10/25/2004 3:54:47 PM EST

I love my UMP Clone too!
img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/hepcat85/UMP1red.jpg



I'd rip both of my nipples off with rusty vise grips to get one of these in 10mm and a collapsable stock rather than the folder.

Now back to your regularly scheduled thread...
Link Posted: 10/25/2004 3:57:14 PM EST

Originally Posted By blatherman:
SL8: $1000
G36K forearm: $125
Stock/magwell conversion: $600
Aluminum (non-HK) rail: $125
EOTECH 512: $299



$1000 + +125 + 600 + 125 + $299 = $2149

RRA AR15A4 = $750
EOTECH 512 = $299
___________________
Grand total = $1049

Left over for ammo = $1100
Link Posted: 10/25/2004 4:00:57 PM EST
so top notch is a jack ass.
Anyone else do the mag mod?
Link Posted: 10/25/2004 4:07:18 PM EST

Originally Posted By ChuckJaxFL:

I love my UMP Clone too!
img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/hepcat85/UMP1red.jpg



I'd rip both of my nipples off with rusty vise grips to get one of these in 10mm and a collapsable stock rather than the folder.

Now back to your regularly scheduled thread...



"good god, Ted, a person's nipples don't just "come off!"

"Not true, honey. It depends entirely on what kind of pliers you use."
Link Posted: 10/25/2004 4:37:43 PM EST
Guy by the name of Docrak over on HKPro. He made three variants, each with a different percentage of the rail ribbed. I got the one with the entire rail ribbed. He also made (makes) milled aluminum baseplate for the USP...I can post pics if interested.
The rail is the schniznit. The fit and finish make the big companies look amateurish. He only made small runs, so his QC was very, very high. Unfortunately (for us), his work got picked up for some LE/Mil contracts, so he hasn't made much recently.


Originally Posted By Armed_Scientist:
Blatherman, where did you get that aluminium raiL?


Link Posted: 10/25/2004 4:53:45 PM EST
That would be assuming I either
a) don't already have an M4 or
b) want one

Yes, it't more (almost twice) than an AR15, but I really don't care. I got what I wanted, and it shoots great.


Originally Posted By SWO_daddy:

Originally Posted By blatherman:
SL8: $1000
G36K forearm: $125
Stock/magwell conversion: $600
Aluminum (non-HK) rail: $125
EOTECH 512: $299



$1000 + +125 + 600 + 125 + $299 = $2149

RRA AR15A4 = $750
EOTECH 512 = $299
___________________
Grand total = $1049

Left over for ammo = $1100

Link Posted: 10/25/2004 5:00:52 PM EST

Originally Posted By FLAL1A:
The SL8 offers infinitely more geekage.



I couldn't have said it any better myself!
Link Posted: 10/25/2004 5:05:52 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/25/2004 5:12:10 PM EST by Dave_A]

Originally Posted By NEPAshooter:
The claim that the SL8 is less accurate is myth.

ALOT of shooters that pick up an SL8 attempt to duplicate AR shooting results, and quickly dismiss the inaccuracy as the weapon. They eagerly shove 55grain M193 or the like into the action, and hope for the best.

The SL8 has a chrome lined 1/7 twist barrel, measuring out at 18.5".

It was designed for match ammo, leaning towards 68 gr FGMM type loads. Even an AR with 1/7 twist will have slightly erratic flyers with 55 grain factory ammo due to the excessive spin forces.

I have friends that repeatedly shoot sub MOA (.5 - .75) with their SL8 with 68+ grain handloads.

I know that this can be done with an AR also, so I'm not saying it's 'better'.

Just not '2x less' like is being perpertrated.

Yes, the gun in Gray is fugly. A quick Dye job solves that.

www.epix.net/~elmosaurus/fssl8.jpg

Yes, I know the irons are worthless in general on a match type gun, and even more so at that short sight radius. I threw them back on so there was 'something' since I'm not including my glass with it.

In case you care, I'm selling mine to make room for an SP89. That's the ONLY reason I'm selling it. Shootabilitywise (new fake word of the day) it's a very smooth and clean gun to shoot match style. (bench, prone, etc)

I will refrain from linking the ad since I don't want this to be a total plug for me selling the gun. LOL.

E.



1) The SL-8 is in fact, 2x-3x less accurate than the AR, based on results of similar weapons and other shooters

2) 1/7 AR shooters have NO PROBLEM with 'flyers' and 'accuracy loss' using 55gr ammo...

Marines qualify on a 500yd course using 62gr ammo.

3) The SL-8 is nowhere near a 'match' gun. The barrel is formed with the wrong process, from the wrong material, and on top of all that, it's chrome lined...

4) .75MOA is possible with an AR and factory ammo. An AR costing the same amount as a SL-8 will shoot .5MOA with 62gr M855 easily.


5) Irons are hardly worthless on a match-type gun, as in the vast majority of matches, OPTICS ARE FORBIDDEN.

That's right, in most NRA rifle matches you MUST use iron sights...

The fact is, that when you put them side-by-side, any SL-8 configuration will be outshot by an AR of the same price-range...
Link Posted: 10/25/2004 5:09:26 PM EST
nothing
Link Posted: 10/25/2004 5:10:30 PM EST

Originally Posted By hepcat85:

Originally Posted By chapperjoe:
nononononono - I would definitely be into an expensive toy, but a less accurate than AR toy?!?!?!



IMHO, the "2x less accurate" comment is just foolish. Hey, I can appreciate it if you just plan hate HK, they're a spineless company. That's fine. But the weapons aren't garbage. I think the world is big enough for HKs and ARs. I've had NO TROUBLE with my HK.

I love my UMP Clone too!
img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/hepcat85/UMP1red.jpg

But I love my ARs as much!



I never claimed that HK products were 'Garbage' - I'd rather have a G36/SL-8/XM8 than an AK any day...

However, to claim that they can even approach the accuracy level of a similarly priced AR is just proposterous, as has been observed by anyone who's shot one...

$1500 will buy you a custom NRA match-grade AR, with 20" barrel, free-float tube, excellent match-grade iron sights, and a finely tuned trigger... Said gun will function from the factory with proper capacity magazines, and you won't need to ship it off to The Toad to make it look like the gun it was designed to be...

That gun will also wipe out any SL-8 configuration you can think of, accuracy wise....


HK is OK, but the AR system is better...
Link Posted: 10/25/2004 5:16:27 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/25/2004 5:23:01 PM EST by Rem700PSS]

Originally Posted By Dave_A:

Originally Posted By chapperjoe:
does anyone else offer mag conversion kit.???
Hell, even without the conversion... is it more accurate than AR? easier to clean?
I know how they work and all that crap, but why go for sl8?



It is about 2x LESS accurate than the AR...

In any given price range, the AR is the most accurate semiauto rifle made. PERIOD.

There is no concievable reason to go for a HK system gun, unless you're one of those 'polished-turd-with-HK-insignia' worshippers...



There you go with that BS again...I'll give the fact that the AR is probably a little more accurate than the SL8, but the G36 and the M16 go hand in hand. The M16's grouping may be .1 or .2 MOA better than the G36 but there are more important things to an assualt rifle. My SL8 shoots 1" groups all day long at 100yds. So find me a basic, unmodded AR that'll shoot .5 or below and I'll accept it. You are just pissed off that the XM8 is taking over so you are going to every extreme to bad mouth it and that includes making up un-sourced BS about its accruacy...for god sakes is that pathetic...


Purchase gray NIB SL-8 , $1000
Purchase folding stock conversion from a complete asshole named Todd Bailey $300?
Magwell conversion to accept double-stack AR mags $500? (don't know, but Todd is involved, so it is expensive and you will be unhappy)
Have gun dyed black (no idea, how expensive) $200?
Purchase correct carry handle and sights, again, what $800?



Those prices are so over exaggerated, it makes me sick.
Sl8, yeah $1000. Folding stock...I find them on ebay numerous times for $50. Magwell converion, $300. Dye it black, $50 TOPS!. Proper optics, $300. About half of what you are saying.

Also, the M16 has had 40 years to gain accessories. The G36 has had what, 6-7 (if you consider it was first deployed in small numbers, as testing, in 1997)? And it has all the same accessories as an AR.
Link Posted: 10/25/2004 5:22:13 PM EST
well I have to admit, this debate is actually directly responding to my question....
I think this is a first ever for me!
Link Posted: 10/25/2004 5:25:35 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/25/2004 6:08:35 PM EST by NEPAshooter]

Originally Posted By Dave_A:

1) The SL-8 is in fact, 2x-3x less accurate than the AR, based on results of similar weapons and other shooters

2) 1/7 AR shooters have NO PROBLEM with 'flyers' and 'accuracy loss' using 55gr ammo...

Marines qualify on a 500yd course using 62gr ammo.

3) The SL-8 is nowhere near a 'match' gun. The barrel is formed with the wrong process, from the wrong material, and on top of all that, it's chrome lined...

4) .75MOA is possible with an AR and factory ammo. An AR costing the same amount as a SL-8 will shoot .5MOA with 62gr M855 easily.


5) Irons are hardly worthless on a match-type gun, as in the vast majority of matches, OPTICS ARE FORBIDDEN.

That's right, in most NRA rifle matches you MUST use iron sights...

The fact is, that when you put them side-by-side, any SL-8 configuration will be outshot by an AR of the same price-range...



Dave, all due respect, and I'm not looking to get into an arguement. You need to read what I wrote more carefully.

I did not SAY the SL8 was A MATCH GRADE gun. I said it was a MATCH TYPE gun. And when I said 'the irons' I meant specifically the SL8 IRONS. They are KNOWN to be TOO course, and poorly adjusted. (no MOA clicks of any sort, just allen head screw movement) The SL8 was designed from the get go to take glass.

And in fact, alot of shooters I know around my parts DO have flyers at 200-300 with the 55 grain handloads out of a 1/7 twist, that suddenly go away when they use 62gr+ handloads. I'll give that it may be they're idiots at handloading, but common denominator says if they screw up 55 grain loads, they'd probably be screwing up their 62 gr just the same. Due to this, I can't say you're right on this, or I'm right this, so we'll leave that as that. I was just stating my experiences personally.

And to close, you're getting defensive over something I tried to state CLEARLY.

I NEVER said that it was a better rifle, or even EQUAL of a rifle (bang for buck) to an AR. I'm just stating it is NOT as inaccurate as people wildly claim, even though most have NEVER SHOT ONE, let alone OWNED ONE.

This is a COMMON issue with HK weaponsystems; people balk at the high price, insist they'll never pay it, and therefore, form an opinion before ever having had real field/bench testing time with said firearm.

I hope that you do have trigger time on an SL8 and are not forming your opinion based on ideals.

Bottom line, the SL8 is a GOOD gun for the money. Is it a GREAT gun for the money? For you, Hell no. Does that mean that some others won't be willing to plunk down the cash just to play with one?

Think about it. ....what defines 'great'?

E.
Link Posted: 10/25/2004 5:44:17 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/25/2004 5:45:09 PM EST by Gr8Santini]

neato!! UMP clone!? where can I get one and how much!?



www.hdps.org/prod03.htm

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