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Posted: 10/29/2004 6:06:52 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/29/2004 6:09:49 PM EST by clean_cut]
This may be the best value in swords today.





CRISWELL CUSTOM WAKIZASHI 14" AND 20"

Featured in Blade Magazine, and highly acclaimed, Rob Criswell offers another line of his custom swords. Each Sword Sold Separately.

FEATURES:
• All Swords are Individually Hand Made
• Full Tang Construction of A2 Steel
• Differentially Vacuum Heat Treated to Hardness
of 60-61RC on Edge, 56-58RC on Back
• Hand Ground - Hollow Ground Blade
• Stainless Steel Tsuba
• 550 Para Cord Handle Wrap
• Stainless Steel and G10 End Cap
• Scabbard is Constructed of G-10

MEASUREMENTS:
14" WAKIZASHI
• Blade Length: 14"
• Handle Length: 6 1/2""
• Overall Length: 21"
• Blade Width: 1 1/4" Tapered
• Blade Thickness: 1/4"

20" WAKIZASHI
• Blade Length: 20"
• Handle Length: 7 1/2"
• Overall Length: 27"
• Blade Width: 1 1/2" Tapered
• Blade Thickness: 1/4"

A2 is GREAT steel. Very hard and easy to get razor sharp.
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 6:08:49 PM EST
Wow, that 20" model would make a good zombie whacker! I have to have one now.
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 6:09:51 PM EST
pointy!!!
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 6:10:56 PM EST
How much $$ ?
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 6:13:54 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 6:15:25 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 6:15:26 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/29/2004 6:15:39 PM EST by GhostShooter]
Nice sword bro, shitty grip though
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 6:17:57 PM EST
Why would you want TWO short swords? Why not a wakizashi short sword and a regular-length katana?


Link Posted: 10/29/2004 6:19:02 PM EST
I am replacing my auto (lost in the line off duty) with one from 888 knives. Seem to be very good prices.

Hunter out...
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 6:19:26 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/29/2004 6:19:41 PM EST by out-a-ammo]
Kewl kitchen knives




Link Posted: 10/29/2004 6:21:50 PM EST


Link Posted: 10/29/2004 6:22:07 PM EST

This may be the best value in swords today.




Uh, how much do they cost doofus?

Great value, your post I mean.
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 6:23:16 PM EST

Originally Posted By out-a-ammo:
Kewl kitchen knives







They DO look like freakishly long kitchen knives with something wrapped around the handle. (the curve on the "longer" one doesn't look quite right either).

clean_cut - you might try searching under "iaido swords" or "iaido supplies" to find some nice wakizashi/katana swords
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 6:23:55 PM EST

Originally Posted By clean_cut:
img65.exs.cx/img65/452/azumi_big4.jpg





That's sooooo cool !!!!
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 6:24:38 PM EST

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:

Originally Posted By clean_cut:
img65.exs.cx/img65/452/azumi_big4.jpg





That's sooooo cool !!!!




It was a good movie.
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 6:25:27 PM EST

Originally Posted By clean_cut:

It was a good movie.





Don't get me wrong - it looks like a movie I might enjoy!
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 6:26:30 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/29/2004 6:30:26 PM EST by clean_cut]

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:

Originally Posted By clean_cut:

It was a good movie.





Don't get me wrong - it looks like a movie I might enjoy!




Not easy to find to rent.


Here is the movie. The sequel is coming Spring 2005. The Last Samurai this is not.

Link Posted: 10/29/2004 6:30:09 PM EST
From the picture it looks like 1 long peice of steel and a rubber cover for the grip with the crossgaurd welded on.
Not a bad setup by any means, but I wonder how well the grip fits into the hand.
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 6:31:44 PM EST

Originally Posted By Specop_007:
From the picture it looks like 1 long peice of steel and a rubber cover for the grip with the crossgaurd welded on.
Not a bad setup by any means, but I wonder how well the grip fits into the hand.




Paracord wrapped grip. You can change it to suit you.
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 6:33:43 PM EST
Those knives rock, dude. I saw a guy on TV cut a package of frozen brussel sprouts clean in half with one. I think they are supposed to come with a set of steak knives too, so don't let 'em fuck you out of them when you cut the deal.
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 6:34:26 PM EST

Originally Posted By Rip_Roarin_Wacko:
Those knives rock, dude. I saw a guy on TV cut a package of frozen brussel sprouts clean in half with one. I think they are supposed to come with a set of steak knives too, so don't let 'em fuck you out of them when you cut the deal.




FU
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 6:34:42 PM EST

Originally Posted By clean_cut:

Originally Posted By Specop_007:
From the picture it looks like 1 long peice of steel and a rubber cover for the grip with the crossgaurd welded on.
Not a bad setup by any means, but I wonder how well the grip fits into the hand.




Paracord wrapped grip. You can change it to suit you.




I'm still not quite sure what you are looking for, but if it a japanes "sword" like a katana, it's probably going to have a blade at least 27" long - and the handle needs to be long enough to hold comfortably with BOTH hands - that paracord wrapped thing in the picture doesn't look like it covers enough room on the handle for both hands. (The wakisashi is fine, since you only hold it with one hand). Normally, you'd also want to be able to take the tsuba and tsuka (guard and handle) off, not have it be one pice or welded on.
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 6:35:40 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 6:36:11 PM EST
I like the one on the left!!
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 6:36:24 PM EST
This is what you REALLY need.

http://www.angelsword.com/photos/oriental/as013-156a.JPG

Weight: 3 pounds, 12 ounces
POB: 6 inches
LOA: 36 5/8 inches
LOB: 27 inches
Steel: Folded-steel with 320,000 layers
Finish: High polish with hamon
Blade Width - Hilt: 1 inch, Tip: 3/16 inches
Blade Thickness: 1/4 inches
Handle: Stingray skin, silk wrap, with minuki and carnelian
Guard: Traditional tsuba
Scabbard: Tulipwood and ebony laminate

Link Posted: 10/29/2004 6:36:35 PM EST

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:

Originally Posted By clean_cut:

Originally Posted By Specop_007:
From the picture it looks like 1 long peice of steel and a rubber cover for the grip with the crossgaurd welded on.
Not a bad setup by any means, but I wonder how well the grip fits into the hand.




Paracord wrapped grip. You can change it to suit you.




I'm still not quite sure what you are looking for, but if it a japanes "sword" like a katana, it's probably going to have a blade at least 27" long - and the handle needs to be long enough to hold comfortably with BOTH hands - that paracord wrapped thing in the picture doesn't look like it covers enough room on the handle for both hands. (The wakisashi is fine, since you only hold it with one hand). Normally, you'd also want to be able to take the tsuba and tsuka (guard and handle) off, not have it be one pice or welded on.




Look, this thing is less than $500. It's not a $5000+ sword, so I ain't going to ask a lot of it. You get what you pay for. But the steel is good.

I have a knife in A2, and it is so sharp the edge will bite.
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 6:45:54 PM EST
LOLOL I forgot about that video!
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 6:46:07 PM EST

Originally Posted By clean_cut:

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:

I'm still not quite sure what you are looking for, but if it a japanes "sword" like a katana, it's probably going to have a blade at least 27" long - and the handle needs to be long enough to hold comfortably with BOTH hands - that paracord wrapped thing in the picture doesn't look like it covers enough room on the handle for both hands. (The wakisashi is fine, since you only hold it with one hand). Normally, you'd also want to be able to take the tsuba and tsuka (guard and handle) off, not have it be one pice or welded on.




Look, this thing is less than $500. It's not a $5000+ sword, so I ain't going to ask a lot of it. You get what you pay for. But the steel is good.

I have a knife in A2, and it is so sharp the edge will bite.




I understand, and I'm not trying to bust your balls or anything - but it seems like you really like the LOOK as well as the FEEL of a more traditional japanese sword, and you can definitely get iaido sets and other types of swords that look "authentic" but are not obscenely priced.

Keep in mind that I'm NOT an expert on iaido at all (I'm more of a kendo person), and some iaido swords are designed for katas only (often the cheaper ones), while others are designed for cutting actual things. But I'd definitely look at some of those if I were you - because I get the impression that some of that stuff can also be had for $500.

swordstore.com/cgi-bin/htmlos.cgi/02nav/1jpsword.html

www.e-bogu.com/Iai_s/59.htm

www.mantisswords.com/practical_katanas.htm

I don't know much about steel quality, etc - but some of these don't look too pricey.
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 6:59:42 PM EST
Any instance where a use of one of these swords would be effective in home defense?

They make an excellent CQC weapon, no?
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 7:06:30 PM EST

Originally Posted By clean_cut:
Any instance where a use of one of these swords would be effective in home defense?

They make an excellent CQC weapon, no?



Again - please don't feel like I'm picking on you or anything - I'm just bored and surfing arfcom, but because I practice kendo, I do know something about this.


I would NEVER reach for a sword for self-defense. And my sensei considers me a shodan (black belt) in kendo (this is after YEARS of training). I'd think you'd have to be extremely proficient with a sword to be any good in a CQ situation with it, and it is somewhat unwieldy, and can get stuck in stuff (like people) - and you are immediately screwed as soon as the opponent has ANY kind of long-range weapon. The term "bringing a knife to a gun-fight" springs to mind - not a good situation to be a the wrong end of.

I will reach for a handgun EVERY TIME I'm in need of home defense. From my infantry experience, a submachine-gun is the BEST CQ weapon, probably followed by handgun or a short-barrelled shotgun, followed by a select-fire rifle, followed by a semi rifle. Until you asked this question, I woudl never even seriously have thought of a sword as an CQ weapon.


Just my OPINION, nothing more - not trying to pick on you.


Link Posted: 10/29/2004 7:09:21 PM EST

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:

Originally Posted By clean_cut:
Any instance where a use of one of these swords would be effective in home defense?

They make an excellent CQC weapon, no?



Again - please don't feel like I'm picking on you or anything - I'm just bored and surfing arfcom, but because I practice kendo, I do know something about this.


I would NEVER reach for a sword for self-defense. And my sensei considers me a shodan (black belt) in kendo (this is after YEARS of training). I'd think you'd have to be extremely proficient with a sword to be any good in a CQ situation with it, and it is somewhat unwieldy, and can get stuck in stuff (like people) - and you are immediately screwed as soon as the opponent has ANY kind of long-range weapon. The term "bringing a knife to a gun-fight" springs to mind - not a good situation to be a the wrong end of.

I will reach for a handgun EVERY TIME I'm in need of home defense. From my infantry experience, a submachine-gun is the BEST CQ weapon, probably followed by handgun or a short-barrelled shotgun, followed by a select-fire rifle, followed by a semi rifle. Until you asked this question, I woudl never even seriously have thought of a sword as an CQ weapon.


Just my OPINION, nothing more - not trying to pick on you.






Well, the sword is good for maybe certain situations only.

You would need the element of surprise with you. And the first stroke has to be the killing or incapacitating stroke. And only with a single intruder. Just musing as I have no martial arts experience.
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 7:22:06 PM EST

Originally Posted By clean_cut:

Well, the sword is good for maybe certain situations only.

You would need the element of surprise with you. And the first stroke has to be the killing or incapacitating stroke. And only with a single intruder. Just musing as I have no martial arts experience.



Yeah - but the element of surprise might make a "self-defense" argument in court tougher to sell


"Your honor, I hid behind the door, and then I chopped his head off from behind"
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 7:25:27 PM EST

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:

Originally Posted By clean_cut:

Well, the sword is good for maybe certain situations only.

You would need the element of surprise with you. And the first stroke has to be the killing or incapacitating stroke. And only with a single intruder. Just musing as I have no martial arts experience.



Yeah - but the element of surprise might make a "self-defense" argument in court tougher to sell


"Your honor, I hid behind the door, and then I chopped his head off from behind"




A gun in hand or drugs in the blood stream would clear the sword wielder. Of course he should be identified first as a hostile before the death blow.

Anyway, but that is academic.

I looked at the Iaito swords. Many of them have blades that made of aluminum/zinc alloy - strictly for practice and decor and not for cutting. At least the ones I am willing to pay for.
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 7:28:38 PM EST

Originally Posted By clean_cut:
I looked at the Iaito swords. Many of them have blades that made of aluminum/zinc alloy - strictly for practice and decor and not for cutting. At least the ones I am willing to pay for.




Yeah - you definitely do not want any of the ones that are meant just for katas, if you want to be able to cut stuff with them. The aluminum/zinc ones are not even sharpened.

But I thought some of the ones I saw on some of those sites were solid steel and sharpened, and were still jsut around the $500 range for a katana/wakisashi set.


Either way - good luck with whatever you get! It's always fun to get into new things, whether guns, or swords or knives - or cars or whatever!!

Link Posted: 10/29/2004 7:29:16 PM EST
Wow those sure are nice and shiney!!!
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 8:02:39 PM EST
A2 at that hardness becomes brittle. It would probably snap if you accidentaly hit something hard with it.
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 8:05:02 PM EST

Originally Posted By Sydwaiz:
A2 at that hardness becomes brittle. It would probably snap if you accidentaly hit something hard with it.




Interesting point.
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 8:06:34 PM EST
I prefer something a bit more "Beefy"


My choice
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 8:08:06 PM EST

Originally Posted By clean_cut:
This may be the best value in swords today.

img95.exs.cx/img95/7591/criswell_wakizashis.jpg



CRISWELL CUSTOM WAKIZASHI 14" AND 20"

Featured in Blade Magazine, and highly acclaimed, Rob Criswell offers another line of his custom swords. Each Sword Sold Separately.

FEATURES:
• All Swords are Individually Hand Made
• Full Tang Construction of A2 Steel
• Differentially Vacuum Heat Treated to Hardness
of 60-61RC on Edge, 56-58RC on Back
• Hand Ground - Hollow Ground Blade
• Stainless Steel Tsuba
• 550 Para Cord Handle Wrap
• Stainless Steel and G10 End Cap
• Scabbard is Constructed of G-10

MEASUREMENTS:
14" WAKIZASHI
• Blade Length: 14"
• Handle Length: 6 1/2""
• Overall Length: 21"
• Blade Width: 1 1/4" Tapered
• Blade Thickness: 1/4"

20" WAKIZASHI
• Blade Length: 20"
• Handle Length: 7 1/2"
• Overall Length: 27"
• Blade Width: 1 1/2" Tapered
• Blade Thickness: 1/4"

A2 is GREAT steel. Very hard and easy to get razor sharp.



Very cool! Are you looking for a sword to fall on?
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 8:08:21 PM EST
Are you made at your boss? If so I know a guy that makes swords.


Sgatr15
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 8:08:55 PM EST

Originally Posted By clean_cut:
img65.exs.cx/img65/452/azumi_big4.jpg



who through coolaid on this girl's face
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 8:10:02 PM EST
You do know that men with a fascination with sword are usually compensating right?



Right?


Oh well..........


sgtar15
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 8:24:10 PM EST

Originally Posted By Archangel6:
I prefer something a bit more "Beefy"


My choice



I have one of those.
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 8:30:53 PM EST

Originally Posted By 444slayer:
Here's a better deal


I love that video, what the bastard gets for selling cheap shit to the public, dam crook.

Haha

Link Posted: 10/29/2004 8:42:01 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/29/2004 8:46:30 PM EST by Rabid_Coyote]
I thought these Nipper swords and associated swordy bullshit went out in 1945.

When I was a kid I had an old crotchety pale alcoholic neighbor (Sempr Fi!!) that had a beautiful samurai sword. It looked handmade by somebody that cared about 900 years ago. 'Course I was a kid, so maybe it was just a garden variety WWII officers sword, but it looked uber cool to me.

Anyway, the point of the story is this: He took it off a dead Jap officer that was killed with weapons, not out of date toys.

M-1 versus Jap sword = dead Jap. I would suspect that AR15 versus imitation Jap sword would end the same.


Edited to add: Before the PCers take me to task, I'd like to quote Harry Truman, August 1945: "Fuck the Japs".

I've spent a lot of time in Japan, I like lots of those folks, but fuck 'em in their Nihonjin necks none the less.
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 9:56:32 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/29/2004 9:57:24 PM EST by RAMBOSKY]

Originally Posted By 444slayer:
Here's a better deal



Link Posted: 10/29/2004 10:01:13 PM EST
but is it a +1 sword?
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 10:04:54 PM EST
In my two years at Scheel's (compare to cabella's but with more guns) I've dealt with alot of "sword collectors" and my conclusion is that you are all a bunch of wierd dudes. I learned more about "real" samuri swords than I will ever need to know in my lifeteime. But oh well, just spent the last few hours having a "few" cocktails and thought I would chip in my 2 cents worth. Oh yeah, I like to type in "quotes" word.
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 10:06:20 PM EST

Originally Posted By Patriot223:
In my two years at Scheel's (compare to cabella's but with more guns) I've dealt with alot of "sword collectors" and my conclusion is that you are all a bunch of wierd dudes. I learned more about "real" samuri swords than I will ever need to know in my lifeteime. But oh well, just spent the last few hours having a "few" cocktails and thought I would chip in my 2 cents worth. Oh yeah, I like to type in "quotes" word.




It's "okay"
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 10:10:48 PM EST
You don't play D&D, do you?
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 10:11:44 PM EST

Originally Posted By USPC40:
You don't play D&D, do you?




No. I just want one to cut my tomatoes.
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