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Posted: 1/27/2014 11:35:09 PM EDT
Were/are her ideas spot on? Did she go full special? What do you guys and gals think of her?

I will probably throw up a poll soon.
Link Posted: 1/27/2014 11:35:56 PM EDT
I think she's dead.
Link Posted: 1/27/2014 11:37:29 PM EDT
Would not smash.
Link Posted: 1/27/2014 11:37:58 PM EDT
Guilty
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Individual
rights are not subject to a public vote; a majority has no right to
vote away the rights of a minority; the political function of rights is
precisely to protect minorities from oppression by majorities (and the
smallest minority on earth is the individual).




Ayn Rand
 
Link Posted: 1/27/2014 11:44:31 PM EDT
agree with damn near every bit of her philosophy . her grasp of human nature is spot on.
Link Posted: 1/27/2014 11:44:52 PM EDT


Verbose.

Link Posted: 1/27/2014 11:45:49 PM EDT
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Individual rights are not subject to a public vote; a majority has no right to vote away the rights of a minority; the political function of rights is precisely to protect minorities from oppression by majorities (and the smallest minority on earth is the individual).
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TML nails, errrr... pegs it once again!



Link Posted: 1/27/2014 11:46:19 PM EDT
She needed an editor. Textbook case of James Michener syndrome. Why write one word, when ten will do....
Link Posted: 1/27/2014 11:47:02 PM EDT

Some good, some herp.
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Originally Posted By TacticalMOLONLABE:

Individual rights are not subject to a public vote; a majority has no right to vote away the rights of a minority; the political function of rights is precisely to protect minorities from oppression by majorities (and the smallest minority on earth is the individual).

Ayn Rand





 




TML nails, errrr... pegs it once again!







http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VcswhBy9tk
LoL



She is one of my heros...



 
Link Posted: 1/28/2014 12:21:09 AM EDT
She warned us about Obama and his minions she is a prophet. Tax the rich! Income inequality!  She wrote about them years before and how this would destroy are nation.
Wesley Mouch would fit in well in the Obama administration.
Link Posted: 1/28/2014 12:25:17 AM EDT
She was beautiful ....
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She was beautiful ....
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Note To Self: Never post a response of "Pics?" in a TML thread.

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Verbose.
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That.

Her books could be 1/3 the length and be just as powerful IMO.
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Originally Posted By TacticalMOLONLABE:


She was beautiful ....






Note To Self: Never post a response of "Pics?" in a TML thread.





Potentially,
a government is the most dangerous threat to man's rights: it holds a
legal monopoly on the use of physical force against legally disarmed
victims.





Tell me that isn't beautiful...
 
Link Posted: 1/28/2014 12:45:47 AM EDT
her ideas on politics, agree for the most parts. other ideas, yeah she was a little, well. out there.
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Potentially, a government is the most dangerous threat to man's rights: it holds a legal monopoly on the use of physical force against legally disarmed victims.

Tell me that isn't beautiful...




 
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Originally Posted By Mech2007:
Originally Posted By TacticalMOLONLABE:
She was beautiful ....


Note To Self: Never post a response of "Pics?" in a TML thread.

Potentially, a government is the most dangerous threat to man's rights: it holds a legal monopoly on the use of physical force against legally disarmed victims.

Tell me that isn't beautiful...




 


fify
Link Posted: 1/28/2014 12:47:53 AM EDT
Overall, she was largely correct in her outlook and I think what we are seeing happening today under Obama is what she warned us about..(the portraying of the "haves", and the contributors to society as evil, selfish and greedy.

When I was younger I read several of her books 2 or 3 times...Glad I did it than because I don't think I have the attention span to read them today..
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Originally Posted By TacticalMOLONLABE:


Originally Posted By Mech2007:


Originally Posted By TacticalMOLONLABE:

She was beautiful ....




Note To Self: Never post a response of "Pics?" in a TML thread.



Potentially, a government is the most dangerous threat to man's rights: it holds a legal monopoly on the use of physical force against legally disarmed victims.



Tell me that isn't beautiful...
 




fify
Truth



 
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Originally Posted By grognard1:
She needed an editor. Textbook case of James Michener syndrome. Why write one word, when ten will do....
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This. Her books would have actually had more impact as shorter reads for the masses.

But yeah, she had it figured out.

FBHO.
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Originally Posted By TacticalMOLONLABE:


Individual rights are not subject to a public vote; a majority has no right to vote away the rights of a minority; the political function of rights is precisely to protect minorities from oppression by majorities (and the smallest minority on earth is the individual).

Ayn Rand





 
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Does this mean it's ok for public housing residents to smoke tobacco? Sure sounds like it



 
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Link Posted: 1/28/2014 3:51:53 AM EDT
Your poll is broken.

Should have been:
-I didn't read her. Hate her.
-Read her, didn't understand, hate her.
-She is right, still hate her.

Link Posted: 1/28/2014 3:55:41 AM EDT
Boorish, aspie, over the top.  Her entire public persona was to challenge people and get them to think.  But her ideals were ideals and shouldn't be any more
Than pure communism is to a European democratic socialist.
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And she was also a little bit wordy.
Link Posted: 1/28/2014 4:05:51 AM EDT
I wonder what the result of her and Milton Friedman having a kid. it would be ugly as hell but pretty damn smart.
Link Posted: 1/28/2014 4:11:43 AM EDT
I've concluded that one should not be overly dogmatic because one really should not agree with someone 100% of the time, and really, there's about 5-10% with Rand that I really don't agree with, and based on her whole belief system, I think that's a healthy bit of disagreement.  Though, I find her to be a wonderful woman who knew what hard work was, and honored it as best as she could.
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I share in this belief.
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She needed an editor. Textbook case of James Michener syndrome. Why write one word, when ten will do....

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This.
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Originally Posted By TacticalMOLONLABE:
Individual rights are not subject to a public vote; a majority has no right to vote away the rights of a minority; the political function of rights is precisely to protect minorities from oppression by majorities (and the smallest minority on earth is the individual).
Ayn Rand


 

Does this mean it's ok for public housing residents to smoke tobacco? Sure sounds like it
 


She wouldn't stand for public housing, your argument is invalid.
Link Posted: 1/28/2014 5:45:09 AM EDT
I have both Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged in my "to read" pile. Which should I read first? Anything to keep in mind while reading or themes to look for?
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She wouldn't stand for public housing, your argument is invalid.
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Originally Posted By AssaultRifler:


Originally Posted By TacticalMOLONLABE:

Individual rights are not subject to a public vote; a majority has no right to vote away the rights of a minority; the political function of rights is precisely to protect minorities from oppression by majorities (and the smallest minority on earth is the individual).

Ayn Rand





 


Does this mean it's ok for public housing residents to smoke tobacco? Sure sounds like it

 




She wouldn't stand for public housing, your argument is invalid.




 
Link Posted: 1/28/2014 6:26:01 AM EDT
"The smallest minority on earth is the individual. Those who deny individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities."

I love this quote from her as its inherent truth completely destroys the Liberal myth that they are for minority rights.
Link Posted: 1/28/2014 6:27:07 AM EDT
Ayn Rand? If I were single, I'd do her if she made me. But only if she made me.
Link Posted: 1/28/2014 6:31:50 AM EDT
Very keen sense of some parts of how reality might work.



While, completely missing what actually happens in the real world.




No different than any other philosopher, sometimes it's useful to "look at things that way" but taking it too far is often... well taking it too far.




I have one real use that has come from her works; spotting stupid assholes.  The people that bring Rand up in casual conversations not talking specifically about Rand are without a doubt, stupid, or assholes, or both in my experience.




It's sort of like an early warning system for fuckheads for me.
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That.

Her books could be 1/3 the length and be just as powerful IMO.
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Verbose.


That.

Her books could be 1/3 the length and be just as powerful IMO.

She has shorter ones, like Anthem and We the Living.
I like We The Living the most, then Atlas Shrugged, but could never get into The Fountainhead.
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I would start with Atlas Shrugged.
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Cliff's Notes for both

As it has been said, her writing is very, very verbose and redundant. I don't think I was able to finish Atlas Shrugged. John Galt's famous speech was dull and drawn out way too long.
Link Posted: 1/28/2014 7:27:11 AM EDT
Her ideas on individual liberty, economics, and politics are spot-on and her prediction of a collectivist takeover of the US using weaselly "for your own good" excuses is like a crystal ball.
Link Posted: 1/28/2014 7:30:20 AM EDT
From what I know of her ideas, I generally agree with them.  I hate that she spawned this Objectivist thing, which seems like a religion with "be an annoying asshole" as its one commandment.  
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As an author, excruciating.

She did give folks a lot of good ideas to think  about, though. That's always a good thing.
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. I've had the same thought on occasion.
Link Posted: 1/28/2014 7:35:56 AM EDT
Would-be cult leader, writer of turgid prose.  There are thousands upon thousands of books that are good, entertaining, or both.  Why read hers, which are neither?
Link Posted: 1/28/2014 7:41:55 AM EDT
Wrote some of the shittiest novels ever.

Her characters seemed like they were written by an angst-ridden 14-year-old; either heroes beyond reproach, or complete scum.
Link Posted: 1/28/2014 7:52:06 AM EDT
She was 100% correct that Communism was rooted in philosophical collecitvist poison, and thus needed a philosophically rooted opposition - not just one coming from religous folks, business folks, landowners, or what not.

She then makes the same mistake as Marx, though, in shoddily applying a philosophical view to the complexities of human society, to the point of eerily paralleling Marx in using that as afilter by which not only to view human history, but human future.

Atlas Shrugged then become her answer to the Communist Manifesto, complete with a call for revolution of the productive forces of society, and an idealized future in which the state whithers away.
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Wrote some of the shittiest novels ever.

Her characters seemed like they were written by an angst-ridden 14-year-old; either heroes beyond reproach, or complete scum.
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Definitely very flat characters...
Link Posted: 1/28/2014 8:18:00 AM EDT
Her ideas are pretty much spot on.  However, she ruins it by babbling on and on and on and on and on................................................................
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Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam:
She was 100% correct that Communism was rooted in philosophical collecitvist poison, and thus needed a philosophically rooted opposition - not just one coming from religous folks, business folks, landowners, or what not.

She then makes the same mistake as Marx, though, in shoddily applying a philosophical view to the complexities of human society, to the point of eerily paralleling Marx in using that as afilter by which not only to view human history, but human future.

Atlas Shrugged then become her answer to the Communist Manifesto, complete with a call for revolution of the productive forces of society, and an idealized future in which the state whithers away.
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This.
Rand's dichotomy of productive class vs non-productive class is rehashed Marxism, plain and simple.

The productive class for Marx was the 'worthy' proletariat. The non-productive classes were the exploiters (bourgeoisie) and the parasites (lumpenproletariat).
Not much different from Ayn Rand.
Link Posted: 1/28/2014 8:32:18 AM EDT
I had to skip a few pages of Galt's speech.
Link Posted: 1/28/2014 8:33:29 AM EDT
Never read her
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