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Posted: 11/22/2008 6:00:10 AM EDT
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left winged bull shit
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Posted: 11/22/2008 6:00:47 AM EDT
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10 rounds good 12 rounds bad, yea make a lot of sense right ? because of the mag dump people do when they protect their self.
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Posted: 11/22/2008 6:02:25 AM EDT
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The mag dump thing is a training problem rather than a hardware issue.
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Posted: 11/22/2008 6:03:32 AM EDT
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Tell ya what there Col. Supenski, I say that YOU and your guys only "need" 6-10 rounds available to you. How's that?
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Posted: 11/22/2008 6:04:45 AM EDT
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Ask him if his officers have 10 round mags in their duty guns. Then ask him if his officers possess a higher level of citizenship than others. Then ask him if his officer's lives are worth more than others.
Edit: Police departments have Colonels now? 
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Posted: 11/22/2008 6:06:13 AM EDT
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Just laying the ground work.....
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Posted: 11/22/2008 6:07:30 AM EDT
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then his police dept. should have no problem with 10 round mags, it's only self defense against "bad guys" right. a well trained officer should have no use for more than a 10 round mag
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Posted: 11/22/2008 6:07:38 AM EDT
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Tell ya what there Col. Supenski, I say that YOU and your guys only "need" 6-10 rounds available to you. How's that? QFT. I wonder how many rounds it actually takes to put a BG down reliably... how many times were the shooters in the LA Bank Robbery hit before they finally ate it? |
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Posted: 11/22/2008 6:08:00 AM EDT
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His facts are correct, from what I understand.
IIRC, the typical gunfight is 3 rounds at under 14 feet. But facts are irrelavent when feelings are involved. |
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Posted: 11/22/2008 6:08:18 AM EDT
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Hey let them lead the way by having all of the police agencies carry revolvers and swat carry bolt action rifles.
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Posted: 11/22/2008 6:08:47 AM EDT
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Tell ya what there Col. Supenski, I say that YOU and your guys only "need" 6-10 rounds available to you. How's that? QFT. I wonder how many rounds it actually takes to put a BG down reliably... how many times were the shooters in the LA Bank Robbery hit before they finally ate it? Well, there WAS that whole body-armor thing........ |
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Posted: 11/22/2008 6:10:48 AM EDT
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His facts are correct, from what I understand. IIRC, the typical gunfight is 3 rounds at under 14 feet. But facts are irrelavent when feelings are involved. Average of 3 rounds exchanged in total, at under 21 feet (about 7 yards/meters). |
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Posted: 11/22/2008 6:11:41 AM EDT
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The mag dump thing is a training problem rather than a hardware issue. Facts don't matter to leftists. |
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Posted: 11/22/2008 6:12:58 AM EDT
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If i was the defense lawyer in this case, i would just ask him how many rounds his departments duty guns carry, and if any of his officers are issued "assault rifles".
Doesn't matter because you see, they have more of a need to self defense than average citizens
Remember, some are more equal than others 
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Posted: 11/22/2008 6:13:20 AM EDT
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Had I been standing on Concord's North Bridge on April 19th 1775 I would have wanted as large a capacity magazine as reliably possible. That is my standard for "what would be useful in a self defense situation."
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Posted: 11/22/2008 6:14:32 AM EDT
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The ten round limit was arbitrarily decided by anti-gunners. Don't let them define the language when it comes to your constitutional rights. Don't ever use the term "high capacity magazine." |
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Posted: 11/22/2008 6:15:20 AM EDT
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which ass are you pulling this "self defense" shit out of?, the one you sit on or the one you speak out of?
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Posted: 11/22/2008 6:15:21 AM EDT
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The mag dump thing is a training problem rather than a hardware issue. Facts don't matter to leftists. Unless your a gay male with the desire to have sex with more than ten men. Or a crack whore that wants to have more than ten abortions. |
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Posted: 11/22/2008 6:15:35 AM EDT
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His facts are correct, from what I understand. IIRC, the typical gunfight is 3 rounds at under 14 feet. But facts are irrelavent when feelings are involved. Average of 3 rounds exchanged in total, at under 21 feet (about 7 yards/meters). it is not about feelings it is about life... and that statistic is an "average" some gun fights are only one round fired...some are more....and there is always an exception to the rule so I would rather have it and not need it....then need it and take a bullet to the back of my head...... |
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Posted: 11/22/2008 6:17:24 AM EDT
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Tell ya what there Col. Supenski, I say that YOU and your guys only "need" 6-10 rounds available to you. How's that? QFT. I wonder how many rounds it actually takes to put a BG down reliably... how many times were the shooters in the LA Bank Robbery hit before they finally ate it? Well, there WAS that whole body-armor thing........ If I was going to make a living doing home invasions, I know I would sure as shit invest in some.
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Posted: 11/22/2008 6:17:47 AM EDT
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His facts are correct, from what I understand. IIRC, the typical gunfight is 3 rounds at under 14 feet. But facts are irrelavent when feelings are involved. Average of 3 rounds exchanged in total, at under 21 feet (about 7 yards/meters). it is not about feelings it is about life... and that statistic is an "average" some gun fights are only one round fired...some are more....and there is always an exception to the rule so I would rather have it and not need it....then need it and take a bullet to the back of my head...... Agreed on all points. |
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Posted: 11/22/2008 6:18:32 AM EDT
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His facts are correct, from what I understand. IIRC, the typical gunfight is 3 rounds at under 14 feet. But facts are irrelavent when feelings are involved. While pretty much true, are you willing to bet that the one and only gunfight you will ever be in will be "typical." Morover are you willing to bet the lives of YOUR FAMILY? And what incenses me about this article are this guy, and all the people that support a magazine capacity ban (or any type of ban) are willing to bet the lives of MY FAMILY that any gunfight I might find myself in will be "typical." |
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Posted: 11/22/2008 6:19:10 AM EDT
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once again....... you dont need it, but we police people do. its not good/effective for a civilian, but for us highly trained police types its perfect.
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Posted: 11/22/2008 6:21:46 AM EDT
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His facts are correct, from what I understand. IIRC, the typical gunfight is 3 rounds at under 14 feet. But facts are irrelavent when feelings are involved. Average of 3 rounds exchanged in total, at under 21 feet (about 7 yards/meters). those numbers are misleading, they were compiled by the FBI for officer involved shootings and involved officer suicides during the 1980's and have been floating around every since. |
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Posted: 11/22/2008 6:23:46 AM EDT
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His facts are correct, from what I understand. IIRC, the typical gunfight is 3 rounds at under 14 feet. But facts are irrelavent when feelings are involved. Average of 3 rounds exchanged in total, at under 21 feet (about 7 yards/meters). those numbers are misleading, they were compiled by the FBI for officer involved shootings and involved officer suicides during the 1980's and have been floating around every since. Is there a better source of information that would apply to non-LE defensive shootings ? |
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Posted: 11/22/2008 6:24:42 AM EDT
[#26]
Fuck you if you try to tell me what I need to defend myself.
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Posted: 11/22/2008 6:25:34 AM EDT
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I question the mag dump claim. I'm not buying it.
I hear plenty of stories of officers firing an excessive number of times, but I can not recall a self defense story that involved firing more than 3 or 4 times. |
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Posted: 11/22/2008 6:27:08 AM EDT
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"Too much is always better than not enough!"
- J.R. "Bob" Dobbs |
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Posted: 11/22/2008 6:29:31 AM EDT
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looks like most people are ignoring the fact it's baltimore county.
what else would you expect from a place that had record obama turnout this year? |
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Posted: 11/22/2008 6:31:27 AM EDT
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His facts are correct, from what I understand. IIRC, the typical gunfight is 3 rounds at under 14 feet. But facts are irrelavent when feelings are involved. His facts are correct when excluding scenarios that include defending your home from marauding gangs in home invasions and errant government agents "following orders..." Since when do cops tell a free (hint, hint) citizen what he can be armed with? |
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Posted: 11/22/2008 6:33:10 AM EDT
[#31]
Quoted: First, only a fool plans for the "typical," especially when it comes to a lethal attack on yourself or others. I don't know about you, but I plan to equip myself far better then merely "good enough," and then hope that the people trying to kill me play by the "typical" rules.High capacity magazines containing more than 10 rounds, which were also banned as part of the Federal Assault Weapons Act, are also not useful for selfdefense, as former Baltimore County Police Department Colonel Leonard J. Supenski has testified: The typical self-defense scenario in a home does not require more ammunition than is available in a standard 6-shot revolver or 6-10 round semiautomatic pistol. In fact, because of potential harm to others in the household, passersby, and bystanders, too much firepower is a hazard. Indeed, in most self-defense scenarios, the tendency is for defenders to keep firing until all bullets have been expended.96 Second, mag dumps and/or missing their target are problems with the training of the victim, not the weapon itself. Perhaps, instead of supporting a ban on large mags, this cop should be trying to educate people on panic reactions and get them to overcome this obstacle before criminals try to kill them? Maybe that would even have applications outside the realm of self-defense? Like, say, providing a positive influence on their lives regarding self-control during emotionally charged situations? Nahhhh, lets just ban guns. That's the ticket.  Quoted: The quote from that police officer does not support this conclusion. At best, it would support a claim that mags over 10 rounds are not necessary for SD and can be banned accordingly. Of course, SD is not the only function of semi-auto firearms, nor does it take into account scenarios like wildlife attacks or local disasters and the roving gangs that can pop up as a result.Assault weapons were designed for military use. They have no legitimate use as self-defense weapons. |
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Posted: 11/22/2008 6:34:37 AM EDT
[#32]
How many shootouts has the Colonel been in?
If that number is more than zero, did he wish he had less ammunition with him, or more? |
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Posted: 11/22/2008 6:35:08 AM EDT
[#33]
Its "Standard capacity" not "High capacity" remember that.
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Posted: 11/22/2008 6:36:48 AM EDT
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Tell ya what there Col. Supenski, I say that YOU and your guys only "need" 6-10 rounds available to you. How's that? QFT. I wonder how many rounds it actually takes to put a BG down reliably... how many times were the shooters in the LA Bank Robbery hit before they finally ate it? Well, there WAS that whole body-armor thing........ And the whole shots fired to hit ratio was like 40 rounds fired to 1 hit...........
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Posted: 11/22/2008 6:38:14 AM EDT
[#35]
While the fact may be correct, who gives a rosy red rat's ass.
It is my gun, and I can keep as few or as damn many rounds in it as I see fit. What F'ing business is it of yours! |
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Posted: 11/22/2008 6:38:32 AM EDT
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Quoted: And that is why pistols suck. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Tell ya what there Col. Supenski, I say that YOU and your guys only "need" 6-10 rounds available to you. How's that? QFT. I wonder how many rounds it actually takes to put a BG down reliably... how many times were the shooters in the LA Bank Robbery hit before they finally ate it? Well, there WAS that whole body-armor thing........ And the whole shots fired to hit ratio was like 40 rounds fired to 1 hit...........  |
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Posted: 11/22/2008 6:40:55 AM EDT
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Wolves travel in packs.
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Posted: 11/22/2008 6:44:10 AM EDT
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Firing a weapon at someone in self defense is quite an anomaly by itself. I don't doubt that there have been a bunch of incidents where 6 or less rounds of ammunition were all that was neccessary to handle the situation. I know that there have also been incidents where dozens of rounds were neccessary. The statistics say that I will probably never need to fire a gun at another person, but I still carry a gun to defend myself, so why would I limit my ammunition based on some other statistics that say I probably won't need more than 6 shots?
The only incidents I can think of where someone dumped an entire mag at someone who didn't need it involved cops doing it. The final statement about assault weapons having "no legitimate use as self-defense weapons" is stupid. |
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Posted: 11/22/2008 6:49:16 AM EDT
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His facts are correct, from what I understand. IIRC, the typical gunfight is 3 rounds at under 14 feet. But facts are irrelavent when feelings are involved. I have personal seen a man take over a dozen RIFLE rounds and still manage to be a threat. NO self defense shooting will be as cut and dry as some statistic. That kind of logic will get you killed. Anyone save that FBI Autopsy report posted here a couple of months ago? Some thug was hit numerous times and still fought the police during cuffing. |
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Posted: 11/22/2008 6:50:22 AM EDT
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Nobody needs a car that can go faster than 70 mph. Most highway drivings are between 55mph to 70 mph.
Who needs motorcycles such as "Interceptor" - they can outrun Police Cruisers very easily. Nobody needs that - we all can do with Vespas. Who needs those high powered trucks? Most people don't need to haul anything that heavy. Special permit is needed for those work-horse trucks because they guzzle so much diesel and bad for the environment. Nobody needs high speed internet for communication, after all, we have snail mails and dial up connection is plenty good for writing e-mail / sending pictures. If you need high speed computer and connection, join the press corp. You lowly subjects has no need to gather information in such efficient way - it might conjure up "unpure / dissenting" toughts. And what is this BS about showing "needs"? In a free country, I get what I "want" for any lawful activities that I want to do. PS: The intention of the 2nd amendment is not about hunting ducks and it is not only for the purpose of defending one's life and / or property against miscreants, but it was intended to give us citizens (not subjects) to fight back if the "power to be" is getting out of hand. Hence we need more than just the measly 10 rounders. |
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Posted: 11/22/2008 6:52:42 AM EDT
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People need to have the ability to defend themself against a from the a well armed force.
Do they limit the mags a swat team carries ? It could cost you your life, its just common sence. |
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Posted: 11/22/2008 7:01:00 AM EDT
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While the fact may be correct, who gives a rosy red rat's ass. It is my gun, and I can keep as few or as damn many rounds in it as I see fit. What F'ing business is it of yours! You hit the nail on the head. |
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Posted: 11/22/2008 7:13:08 AM EDT
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Wolves travel in packs. Some wolves also have Kevlar hides. Quoted:
........ too much firepower is a hazard. Properly controlled and applied firepower is what ends fights and wins battles. |
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Posted: 11/22/2008 7:14:44 AM EDT
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........ too much firepower is a hazard. Huh? ETA: Disclaimer: my quote makes it look like CRC said that. In no way do I believe, nor should you, that CRC thinks that too much firepower is a hazard. |
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Posted: 11/22/2008 7:17:38 AM EDT
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If i was the defense lawyer in this case, i would just ask him how many rounds his departments duty guns carry, and if any of his officers are issued "assault rifles". Doesn't matter because you see, they have more of a need to self defense than average citizens
Remember, some are more equal than others Yes, they are fighting zombie citizens and we're just protecting our plasma TVs. |
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Posted: 11/22/2008 7:19:14 AM EDT
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Wow, I missed the "self defense clause" in the 2nd Amendment.
The "authorities" need to remember, the arm protected in the Constitution are the ones capable of defeating THEM. With those kinds of arms specifically protected, the cops need to focus on the behavior of bad guys. |
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Posted: 11/22/2008 7:27:39 AM EDT
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His facts are correct, from what I understand. IIRC, the typical gunfight is 3 rounds at under 14 feet. But facts are irrelavent when feelings are involved. Average of 3 rounds exchanged in total, at under 21 feet (about 7 yards/meters). those numbers are misleading, they were compiled by the FBI for officer involved shootings and involved officer suicides during the 1980's and have been floating around every since. I think that's an average of 3 rounds per dog. |
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Posted: 11/22/2008 7:29:32 AM EDT
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left winged bull shit |
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Posted: 11/22/2008 7:33:42 AM EDT
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then his police dept. should have no problem with 10 round mags, it's only self defense against "bad guys" right. a well trained officer should have no use for more than a 10 round mag Better yet,,,,,NO police officer need be armed at all. It worked in England for a couple hundred years didn't it? Guess the Bobbies are better cops and the US police need added training!!
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Posted: 11/22/2008 7:34:29 AM EDT
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Total and complete sense, I mean who needs more than even one round for self defense? I believe that the same goes for police officers as well.
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