Went by the store about an hour ago.  They had flags and beating tom toms.  It was ornamental writing on the flags.  Idiots in the snow and rain.[img]www.ar15.com/members/albums/1GUNRUNNER%2Fmarch%2Ejpg[/img]

They are diminishing evil spirits.

I can make a hat, or a brooch...

Hmmmmm.

That looks like a G-store I've never been to!

Hehe

How bout some coffee Johnny??

What are the gun laws relevant to reservations??

So, if these guys were black would you say that he needs to tell them that they are giving away free watermelon at the local KFC?

Me thinks that [b]GUN[/b] sign needs to be much bigger.

As you well know, [b]1GUNRUNNER[/b], if that store were located in Texas, that would be the morning crowd lined up to get in when the store opened!

Eric The(Right?)Hun[>]:)]

Brrrrr, looks cold out there

Well two of the three listed above don't grow 'round these parts.

Marchers bring Hiroshima flame to Lewis County

By Brian Mittge
The Chronicle

Carrying a reminder of the atomic flames that burned over two Japanese cities 57 years ago, about 35 marchers walked and camped in Lewis County over the weekend as part of a nationwide spiritual pilgrimage for world peace.

Japanese Buddhists chanting prayers for peace and an African-American from Tacoma carrying a sign reading "One people, one Earth" are leading the group on a five-month walk and bus ride to nuclear research sites and American Indian nations from Bainbridge Island to New York.

Bernie Meyer, a Catholic Worker at Bethlehem Farm in Chehalis, said the group is trying to point out what it sees as the destructive effects of nuclear weapons and waste on all nations.

"They're very loving, good people who don't want us to destroy ourselves through this kind of stuff," he said.

Erich Brudehl, Chehalis, is a German who emigrated to America in 1958. He came to see the group in Centralia as a member of the local Fellowship of Reconciliation.

"I subscribe to their idea of a peaceful world, that war is no solution to any problems. It creates more problems than it solves," he said.

The marchers woke up before dawn Saturday to walk into Centralia from Tenino through snow and icy road conditions.

They stopped at the downtown Centralia mural honoring Wesley Everest, the radical unionist who killed at least one veteran in a 1919 parade and was in turn lynched for his part in the "Centralia Massacre."

They also observed panels on Centralia College's clock tower devoted to local American Indians, firebrand union-defending attorney Elmer Smith, and international peace and environmental activist Floyd Schmoe.

They had lunch at the Centralia First United Methodist Church, and offered thanks for the meal with Buddhist chants and an exuberant cry of "one people, one Earth!"

Don Meek, a member of the church, offered a prayer for the group.

"God, people from many nations have come together for world peace," he prayed. "Please bless them."

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The marchers camped at Bethlehem Catholic Worker Farm in Chehalis Saturday night, then walked to St. Francis Mission near Toledo Sunday.

They carry an oil lamp and two small oil handwarmers with a flame lit, they say, from a flame in Japan that was itself lit by embers from the atomic blast at Hiroshima in 1945.

That bomb, and another three days later that destroyed part of the city of Nagasaki, led Japan to quickly offer unconditional surrender, ending World War II and preventing a full-scale American invasion.

Members of the Hiroshima Flame Interfaith Pilgrimage said nuclear weapons now are hundreds of times more powerful than the 1945 weapons, and have taken war beyond the tribe-to-tribe level it occupied for most of human history.

"Now one bombing finish all planet. Not 'one people survive, one people finish(ed)' -- is not possible with this kind of weapon," said Jun Yasuda, one of the Buddhist nuns on the walk. Originally from Japan, she now lives in New York state.

She said nuclear weapons began killing American Indians before either bomb was dropped on Japan, because of testing and mining in the deserts where many tribes live.

The marchers will bury the flame in Arizona, where the uranium for the Hiroshima bomb was mined.

"This flame's homeland is there," Yasuda said.

Members of the walk had different answers when asked if they thought the U.S. should have mounted a land invasion of Japan -- which, historians say, would have been long and deadly -- instead of deploying the two atomic bombs at Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Meyer of Chehalis said Japan was willing to surrender, but would not agree to American demands that its emperor step down. The nuclear blasts were about that single issue, because Japan had made peace overtures, he said.

"We need to examine the nuclear weapon issue now," he said. "We can learn from the past, but the question is what to do with them now."

Dave Harrison of Seattle, the organizer for the Washington leg of the walk, agreed.

"Japan didn't want their emperor to be disgraced, but the U.S. insisted," Harrison said. "Was it worth killing 200,000 people to force a people to denounce their emperor?"

Then he offered what he called a cynical interpretation.

"We had the weapons and we needed to know if they would work," he said.

Yasuda didn't offer an opinion about whether the bombings were right or wrong, but said nuclear weapons are much more powerful today. All human life will be destroyed if they are ever used in war again, she said.

When asked about Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor that propelled America into the war, Yasuda wondered why Japan was punished for attacking Hawaii, but America wasn't punished for taking over the islands from native Hawaiians 50 years before.

"Why only Japanese people punish(ed)?" she asked.
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Built by lazy American workers, and tested in Japan.

Ernest Hollings is a dick, but that was the funniest thing I ever heard a pol say.

Jay

That Hiroshima nuke surely did leave a nice afterglow...

I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue.

Thats what it feels like when you go on R&R!
Singapore,June,1968.

If Ms. Yasuda truly believes that, she should take her leftist "peace" parade to Pakistan.  I'm sure the authorities there would be very sympathetic. [BD]

And shouldn't the Japanese be the ones treated to the "One people, one earth" slogan?  They might change their minds and start accepting some of the refugees who keep coming to the United States.

HOLY SHIT THATS FRIKIN FUNNY!

And it looks like I picked the wrong week to stop doing coke.

No Thanks.

Does anybody else think it a bit funny (and paradoxical) that the people shouting about how bad war is and how evil nuclear weapons are started WWII?  I guess the Chinese, Vietnamese, Indonesians, Burmese, and Polynesians and the Jews, Gypsies, Slavs, and Russians would have a thing or two to say about "peace and love" messages coming from the same folks who brutally slaughtered millions only 50 years ago.  But I guess the opinions of the victims aren't very important.

And I really loved the way that Jap bitch called us hypocrites for "invading" Hawaii and annexing it.

Fuck Japan.  We should have slaughtered them all, or better yet, let the Chinese invade and exact whatever punishment they thought appropriate.

Fuck Germany.  They are still a bunch of socialist/Nazi racist douchebags.  They have benefitted politically and economically from having huge American bases in their country to protect them.

Lesson to you foreigners:  [size=4][b]You start a war with us and kill thousands of our people, don't be surprised if we use any means neccessary kick the living shit out of you.[/size=4][/b]

Damn, Redman. Don't hold back, let us know exactly how you feel about it!

I would think the Jappenese would be the best example of people who know how destructive war is.

Did they commit atrocities during WW2? Yes they did. They also suffered 2 atomic blasts (rightfully so).

I would think that would teach them a lesson: peace at all costs.

Oh, and Redmanfms, you can kiss my ass. My family came from Germany and Poland before and after WW2. They taught me to accept people for who they are, and not make general comments about a nationality or race. Not all Germans were Nazis, or belived in the Nazi party.

Av.

That's nice.  I knew a Pole who was a WWII vet.  He was a good guy.  I knew more than my fair share of Germans when I lived there (born in Ft. Huachuca, AZ, lived in Ulm, Koblenz, and briefly in West Berlin until finally settling in VA 6 years ago), some of them were ok.  Most every German I've met is a consummate racist.  Neo-Nazi activism is extremely high in Germany.  I've met Germans who say that the Holocaust was a myth cooked up by the Jews to make Germany beholden to them (ironically, Germany was never made to atone fully to the Jews).  The policies of their government(s) in the 20th Century cannot be seperated from the minds and wills of the people.  They are racists.  You don't like that fact, tough titty.

Coming to Arizona? I'll be sure to arrange a special "21gun salute" to greet them.[;)]

Seriously, this is such a crock.  That the flame  was lit by the orginal Hiroshima expolosion! What we have here is severe group delusion.

And as far as Buddhists being involved in carrying flames, they had better be very careful, Buddhist monks have a nasty tendency to intiate autocombustion for publicity sake. [flame]

Redman, are you sure you're not a closet liberal?  Atonement?  Give me a goddamn break!  Go drink your invigoration tea and take a time out for such absurd crap.  The japs, chinese and other races believe in a society of their own people, but yet the Germans aren't allowed to think that also?  Why?  Because its wrong for white people to want their own society and not have it bastardized like the French and their Algerians?  

Don't get me wrong, i'm no white supremacist, I can atleast understand that it isn't just as simple as racism.

I love this part.

[b]ANSWER:[/b]  Auuh....We won,....both fights?

I'm sure the Japanese would have treated us just as humanely as the rest of the peoples they had conquered, say like Nanking, had they emerged victoriously.

I have to agree with Redmanfms on this.

The Japanese Emperor has had little power for centuries.  The emperor wanted to stop the war but feared he would be killed by the Japanese Army - and he was almost killed before he could radio address the nation and ask the Japanese people to "accept the unacceptable...."

1)  Probably the Atomic bombs had little if anything to do with Japan's surrender.  The leaders of the Japanese military were perfectly willing to accept losses in the millions to at least stale-mate an allied invasion.
Saving the Emperor had not one damn thing to do with it.
The Emperor's palace was never bombed during the entire war.  So who was after the emperor ?
Not us.
(McArthur in a stunning display of cultural understanding never sent for the emperor after the surrender.  He simply waited and the emperor came to him - in time.)

2)  True.  The Japanese had made overtures of peace - to the SOVIETS.  Prince xxxx was sent to seek an audience with Stalin.  A member of the Royal Family was selected because Stalin could not avoid meeting with a member of the royal family and an emissary of the Emperor.

Unfortunately Stalin didn't know he was forced to meet and skillfully avoided any meeting.

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About two weeks before the surrender the Soviets broke their non-aggression pact with Japan. (I believe there were two years remaining on the agreement.)

The non-aggression pact was broken in typical Stalin fashion.  He declared war on Japan !!

Japan understood the post-war implications if the Soviets were a part of the conquering coalition.  At a minimum from Hokkaido (sp?) north would go to the Soviets - as did East Germany, Poland, etc., in the European theater.

The Japanese surrendered, their home islands were kept intact and the rest is history. (Maybe !)

Didn't we want the Emperor alive to be a figurehead for the people rather than the army brass?

Weren't more lives and property lost through the incendiary raids on Tokyo and other cities?

Besides saving lives from an invasion, weren't the bombs intended to demoralize the people to the point that surrender was the only option and there would be no defense offered by the army or guerillas?

God, long time since History Class..

IF THERE HAD NOT BEEN A PEARL HARBOR, THERE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN A HIROSHIMA & NAGASAKI!!

We did want the emperor to be alive and for the purpose you state.
Plus he had to be alive to end the war.  Easy to forget the emperor's voice had never before been heard by the Japanese people until the surrender message was broadcast.  He spoke in an ancient court-language that had to be translated so the people understood his message.  (As I recall)

More lives were lost in the fire-bombings of just Tokyo than in the two Atomic bombings. (As I recall)

Probably the primary reasons for dropping the bombs were as you stated.  However, the US certainly wanted to avoid Soviet involvement if possible.

Has to be the local chapter of my favorite Dallas Eco-Wackos "Drums Not Guns".  [url]www.drums.org/dng/[/url]
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And Leo is getting LARGER...