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Posted: 11/19/2003 7:21:04 AM EST
For your weapon, that is. There seems to be some dissatifaction with CLP going around, so do you stick to the brand names, or do you use lesser-known lubes?
Link Posted: 11/19/2003 7:29:57 AM EST
A good pard of mine from Alabama gave me a spray can of Ballistol about a year and a half ago. It works good on black powder guns because it's not petrolum based but it also works very well on modern guns as well. From what I understand it was developed by the Germans durring WW I to use on their weapons. It kills corossive effects of primers and black powder/pyrodex so it's great if you want to use cheaper corossive ammo in your surplus mauser and it'll mix with water so you can use it like "moose milk" for lubing patches or cleaning hard to reach areas. I love the stuff, it's bio degradeable, heck you could eat it and it wouldn't hurt you. You can also spray it on cuts to disinfect them. I gave up on CLP and Rem Oil, all I use any more is good ol' Ballistol.
Link Posted: 11/19/2003 7:31:15 AM EST
Militec-1 is what I use.
Link Posted: 11/19/2003 7:33:13 AM EST
Weapon? Nevermind.
Link Posted: 11/19/2003 7:33:19 AM EST
I use any good gun oil, Hoppes most of the time. 3 in one oil is not gun oil.
Link Posted: 11/19/2003 7:33:22 AM EST
I use Mobil One 5W-30 synthetic motor oil for
general firearms lubrication, one quart lasts me for years.

Link Posted: 11/19/2003 7:35:31 AM EST
FP-10 works good enough for me and smells decent to boot.
Link Posted: 11/19/2003 7:37:15 AM EST

Originally Posted By StariVojnik:
Militec-1 is what I use.



Ditto! +1

BigDozer66
Link Posted: 11/19/2003 7:38:08 AM EST
Tetra products.


Great stuff
Link Posted: 11/19/2003 7:41:24 AM EST
I use CLP, but only because I've got a good supply of it.

I've never tried MiliTec. Should I?
Link Posted: 11/19/2003 7:42:04 AM EST

Originally Posted By BigDozer66:

Originally Posted By StariVojnik:
Militec-1 is what I use.



Ditto! +1

BigDozer66



+2
Link Posted: 11/19/2003 7:43:38 AM EST

Originally Posted By Q3131A:

Originally Posted By BigDozer66:

Originally Posted By StariVojnik:
Militec-1 is what I use.



Ditto! +1

BigDozer66



+2



+3
Link Posted: 11/19/2003 7:43:53 AM EST
Tetra lube, cleaner, & grease. And of course Hoppe's for cleaning, solvent, & brake cleaner.

I've also used MP Pro-7 for lube applications. MP Pro-7 seems to attract a lot less dust than Tetra-lube.
Link Posted: 11/19/2003 7:50:34 AM EST
[Last Edit: 11/19/2003 7:54:52 AM EST by Alien]
I've just always used Break-Free CLP for everything but use a solvent that alludes my name atm for the barrel. I use it for other stuff too like oiling fans and other house hold items and it works good. Is there any reason I shouldn't? I've never had a jam in my AR in probably over 3500 rounds.
Link Posted: 11/19/2003 7:53:02 AM EST
Astro Glide

NsB
Link Posted: 11/19/2003 7:56:48 AM EST

Originally Posted By Zaphod:
I use CLP, but only because I've got a good supply of it.

I've never tried MiliTec. Should I?




Check w/MiliTec they were giving 1/8 oz samples a while ago. The forer owner of my house left a pint bottle of it-I'm probably good for life.
Link Posted: 11/19/2003 8:05:23 AM EST
3 In 1 might not be gun oil but it worked on my BB gun 45 years ago and it worked on my AR yesterday. I think I'll stick with it.
Link Posted: 11/19/2003 8:06:23 AM EST
KY, but if I'm in a real bind butter works.
Link Posted: 11/19/2003 8:07:17 AM EST
Vaso... Ooops! Nevermind...
Link Posted: 11/19/2003 8:08:38 AM EST
[Last Edit: 11/19/2003 8:21:12 AM EST by AR_Rifle]
Link Posted: 11/19/2003 8:09:27 AM EST
Link Posted: 11/19/2003 8:14:38 AM EST
I use a mix of Militec-1 and Fp-10. When that runs out I think Im gonna stick with the FP-10.
Link Posted: 11/19/2003 8:14:55 AM EST
Below is an EXCERPT from ArmaLite's Technical Note 29 written April 10, 1999.
(Please go to www.armalite.com for the full text of Technical Note 29.)

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Some time ago, the military switched to CLP (Cleaner, Lubricant, and Preservative) as a do-all small arms maintenance product. That’s nice for logisticians, who now need only provide a single product. CLP is commercially sold under the brand name Break Free ®.

Unfortunately, CLP is a compromise product, and does nothing especially well.
Some of the most experienced of the government’s small arms engineers have concluded that the old combination of RBC (Rifle Bore Cleaner) and LSA (Lubricant, Semifluid, Automatic Weapons) is the best combination of materials for ArmaLite® family arms. We agree with the RBC/LSA combination as a starting point, with other later products judiciously used if available

(continued)

Link Posted: 11/19/2003 8:15:42 AM EST

Originally Posted By Older_Crow:
Vaso... Ooops! Nevermind...


Were you going to say Vasoline? Please! You need to step in to the present and use KY Liquid like the rest of us. Vasoline is just disgusting.
Link Posted: 11/19/2003 8:19:02 AM EST

Originally Posted By SteyrAUG:
Never had a problem with CLP.

What is the complaint?



From: "Weapons Lube Issued by Army May be Costing Lives in Iraq"


www.jobrelatedstuff.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=215909


Link Posted: 11/19/2003 8:23:08 AM EST

Originally Posted By darealickt:

Originally Posted By Older_Crow:
Vaso... Ooops! Nevermind...


Were you going to say Vasoline? Please! You need to step in to the present and use KY Liquid like the rest of us. Vasoline is just disgusting.



Marlon Brando use Butter in "Last Tango in Paris"
Link Posted: 11/19/2003 8:26:29 AM EST

Originally Posted By darealickt:

Originally Posted By Older_Crow:
Vaso... Ooops! Nevermind...


Were you going to say Vasoline? Please! You need to step in to the present and use KY Liquid like the rest of us. Vasoline is just disgusting.



Militec-1 for the rifle
K-Y for the gun

Ever tried the new warming K-Y Liquid?

Link Posted: 11/19/2003 8:26:50 AM EST
Tried Breakfree, Tetra, Remoil, Miltec, and FP-10, and FP-10 seems the best of the lot for long-term, no-bs lubrication. Anything that will keep a 90 year old Enfield gliding like it was new through 72 hours or so of reenacting makes me a happy camper, and FP was the only one that fit the bill.
Link Posted: 11/19/2003 8:30:10 AM EST
Link Posted: 11/19/2003 8:38:58 AM EST
Tetra for the AR and pistolas.
Sand for the AK. It seems to like it.
Link Posted: 11/19/2003 8:39:29 AM EST
It's crap, I took the free sample bottle of Miltec-1 with me to Iraq. I also took a butt load of other "dry" and less wet lubes too (TW-25B, FP10, Teflon, graphite, etc), none really worked any better than the others in that enviroment.
Link Posted: 11/19/2003 8:42:03 AM EST
FP-10.
Link Posted: 11/19/2003 8:44:17 AM EST
FUNNIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
Link Posted: 11/19/2003 8:45:49 AM EST

Originally Posted By FLGreg:

Originally Posted By darealickt:

Originally Posted By Older_Crow:
Vaso... Ooops! Nevermind...


Were you going to say Vasoline? Please! You need to step in to the present and use KY Liquid like the rest of us. Vasoline is just disgusting.



Militec-1 for the rifle
K-Y for the gun

Ever tried the new warming K-Y Liquid?



Not very bad. Not very good. Can't figure out why they call it "warming".
Link Posted: 11/19/2003 8:46:46 AM EST
Link Posted: 11/19/2003 8:47:50 AM EST
To further Steyr's sound argument, its not the lube but how much you use.

The "lubricating" effects of an oil are SLIGHT in ANY rifle. Slight as there is no pressurized lubrication system and there are no rolling element bearings. Its all sliding friction on rough fitting parts and oil is not going to make a big difference over completely dry, clean metal.

Lubrication of such surfaces is by boundar lubrication ONLY and any oil more than what is required to give the surface a change in color is more than adequate. You can get this maximum effect by wiping the metal with a thin film of the oil and then using a clean rag, completely wipe as much of the oil off the metal. You will not see any oil as a sheen.

All liquid lubricants will have problems with sand, silt and clay.

Link Posted: 11/19/2003 8:48:00 AM EST
Maybe you haven't put it on the 'right' gun?
Link Posted: 11/19/2003 9:00:51 AM EST
Militec sucks. It doesn't protect from corrosion worth a shit, and doesn't lubricate any better than CLP.

I've been testing TW-25B and MC2500 grease the last couple of months. My AR recently went 1000 rounds without cleaning or lubrication without a hitch, after proper clean and lube with TW25B. Don't know about the corrosion resistance yet.. no problems yet though.
Link Posted: 11/19/2003 9:02:56 AM EST
I like TW-25B from Milcomm.

It's a teclon based dry lube and has absolutely no smell. Works great for concealed carry.

Ed
Link Posted: 11/19/2003 9:05:09 AM EST

Originally Posted By AR_Rifle:

Originally Posted By darealickt:

Originally Posted By Older_Crow:
Vaso... Ooops! Nevermind...


Were you going to say Vasoline? Please! You need to step in to the present and use KY Liquid like the rest of us. Vasoline is just disgusting.



Marlon Brando use Butter in "Last Tango in Paris"


Butter isn't anywhere near as disgusting as Vasoline.
Link Posted: 11/19/2003 9:06:07 AM EST
[Last Edit: 11/19/2003 6:36:46 PM EST by Gunzilla]
I am helping out with testing a new lube specifically for firearms -- the name is sort of goofey, but the product is the best I have ever used. If anyone is interested in getting a bottle to try out (and willing to give feedback), message me... I will mail out some to the first dozen or so that are interested.

The lube is a petrolium and synthetic blend that has amazing lubrication properties.

Anyway, if anyone is interested lmk

GOT PLENTY OF TAKERS... THAT IS ALL
Link Posted: 11/19/2003 9:10:09 AM EST
CLP
Link Posted: 11/19/2003 9:10:16 AM EST
WD40

CLP, LSA, Hoppes No.9, Remington TFE

Depends on the gun.

Tj
Link Posted: 11/19/2003 9:29:54 AM EST

Originally Posted By darealickt:

Originally Posted By Older_Crow:
Vaso... Ooops! Nevermind...


Were you going to say Vasoline? Please! You need to step in to the present and use KY Liquid like the rest of us. Vasoline is just disgusting.


Hey, wait a minute! I'm not throwing out that 1.2 oz jar that I purchased in '65 until it's empty. Besides I don't live near Kentucky.
Link Posted: 11/19/2003 9:34:16 AM EST
spit always works for me.

as for firearm lubricant:

"Superlube"spray on grease for the M1/M1A/M1 Carbine/Mini-14(or military rifle grease in the little pots)
"Superlube" "DRY-FILM" teflon spray on everything else.

for general cleaning I use .99 cent aerosol brake cleaner.

for the barrel I use(depends on the ammo):

Hot water(w/soap sometimes)
hoppes nitro-solvent
CLP
copper fouling remover

THEN I give the bore a thick coating of DRY-FILM.



Link Posted: 11/19/2003 10:12:43 AM EST
buckministerfullerine----buckyballs!!!
Link Posted: 11/19/2003 10:16:04 AM EST
Always used Breakfree CLP.
Link Posted: 11/19/2003 11:24:21 AM EST
For those who missed any of the previous regular attempts to market Militec on the backs of dead Americans, here is the relevant technical information from Naval Surface Warfare Center, Crane (listed as a "satisfied customer" by Militec)

Corrosion Protection

"4. The Militec product's ability to prevent corrosion on "gun steel" was evaluated. Test pieces were coated with lubricant and heated at 160 degrees F prior to being placed in the salt fog chamber in accordance with ASTM B117. Two different tests were conducted:

a) A bolt assembly from an M-16 rifle was disassembled and the phosphated parts, including the bolt, the bolt carrier, the cam pin, and the chrome-plated firing pin were treated with Militec and placed in the salt fog cabinet.

@5 hours: rust spots evident on firing pin
@26 hours: rust spots evident on bolt carrier
@101 hours: rust occured from about 30-50% over significant areas of test pieces

b) A bolt carrier from an M-16 rifle was stripped of its phosphate coating by grit blasting and treated with Militec and placed in the salt fog cabinet. After 17 hours the bolt carrier was severely rusted (>90% of significant area)."

Dust Environment Lubricant Test (Militec is Brand E)

"Dust tests with exposure times of one hour, three hours, six hours, seven hours and eight hours were conducted with military and commercially available lubricants applied to M16A1 rifles. CLP provided the best overall performance with one stoppage in five dust tests. VV-L-800 finished second with three stoppages in five dust tests. Other top finishers were Brand D with three stoppages in four dusts tests, Brand C with seven stoppages in five dust tests and Brand E (Militec) with eight stoppages in five dust tests. The three top finishers were liquid lubricants. Although it appeared that more dust accumulated on the exposed exterior surfaces of bolt carriers with liquid lubricants than on bolt carriers with dry film lubricants, the liquid lubricants had more success overcoming friction caused by dust intrusion.

3.1.5 CLP QPL-63460-13
Test Sequence #1: MRBS=NA, all 90 rounds fired successfully
Test Sequence #2: MRBS=60/1=60

The lubricant used in this test was CLP liquid. In test sequence #1, rifle #4783144 did not have any malfunctions in the one-hour, three-hour, and six-hour tests. In test sequence #2, rifle #4813100 fired without any malfunctions in the seven-hour test, but recorded one malfunction in the eight-hour test.

3.1.6 Brand E (Militec)

Test Sequence #1: MRBS=90/3=30
Test Sequence #2: MRBS=60/5=12

In test sequence #1, rifle #4785227 fired without any malfunctions in the one-hour test; but did have one malfunction in the three-hour test and two malfunctions in the six-hour test. In test sequence #2, rifle #5449207 fired without any malfunctions in the seven-hour test, but had five malfunctions in the eight-hour test.

3.1.14 Unlubricated rifle

Test Sequence #1: MRBS=NA, was not tested
Test Sequence #2: MRBS=30/6=5

An unlubricated rifle was placed in test sequence #2 seven-hour test as a baseline to compare to the lubricated rifles. Rifle #4831774 had six malfunctions.
Link Posted: 11/19/2003 11:29:27 AM EST

Originally Posted By STLRN:
It's crap, I took the free sample bottle of Miltec-1 with me to Iraq. I also took a butt load of other "dry" and less wet lubes too (TW-25B, FP10, Teflon, graphite, etc), none really worked any better than the others in that enviroment.



So are you saying that any works as well as the others, as long as you keep it clean and properly lubed?

I use CLP exclusively, and after 500 rounds or so, I get an occasional misfeed, but immediate action solves my prob, then when I get a chance, i shoot some more clp in and I'm fine.

TXL
Link Posted: 11/19/2003 11:52:29 AM EST
For the ar15 CLP
For the AK's whatever petrolium based liquid is near.
For everything else REM-OIL
Link Posted: 11/19/2003 12:14:01 PM EST
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