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Posted: 9/22/2005 4:58:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/22/2005 4:58:16 PM EDT by Templar]
What countries military could give the US military the hardest time in a war.
What country is the US militaries greatest nightmare.

The only term of this match is that no WMD could be used. Either side can adopt whatever other means possible to win the war.

My bet would be a war agaisnt China for Taiwan
Link Posted: 9/22/2005 4:49:11 PM EDT
China. We'll see here in a few years, I think.
Link Posted: 9/22/2005 4:49:13 PM EDT
Mods please move this to general discussion thanks I screwed up
Link Posted: 9/22/2005 4:52:37 PM EDT
Israel has one tough ass military. Anyone crazy enough to go nuclear or biological on us. But I think the days of traditional "war" are over. The one possibility to prove me wrong would be China. Or canada.
Link Posted: 9/22/2005 5:19:18 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/22/2005 5:19:52 PM EDT by lu380]
China and a militarily unified European Union. Worse yet, China AND a unified EU. A "United States of Europe" will eventually happen, and it won't be good for us. They'll kill us with treaties designed to weaken us if the Dems get back into power, and the Dems will be eager to sign them. An actual war won't even be necessary for them.
Link Posted: 9/22/2005 5:21:28 PM EDT
Are we not on good terms with China?
Link Posted: 9/22/2005 5:22:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/22/2005 5:22:52 PM EDT by double_wielder]
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Link Posted: 9/22/2005 5:23:50 PM EDT
North Korea would be the number one hardest country to fight, it would be virtually impossible to go into the country and fight them. I would have to give China a close second, and the fact that half of the stuff bought in america is made in china, therefore funding our number one enemy. So were pretty much buying the guns that are going to be used against our children when we go to war with China.
Link Posted: 9/22/2005 5:25:17 PM EDT
Finland.

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Link Posted: 9/22/2005 5:27:16 PM EDT
The Shanghai Cooperative Association.

The SCA includes China, Russia, Iran, the 'stans, Cuba and Venezuela.

That's our competitor, and that's who we'll face eventually, with very little help from our friends.
Link Posted: 9/22/2005 5:27:55 PM EDT
China.
Link Posted: 9/22/2005 5:29:52 PM EDT

Originally Posted By lu380:
A "United States of Europe" will eventually happen, and it won't be good for us.



I don't think so. The whole EU thing has reached it's zenith and is on the downside now IMHO. I think we'll see seperate currencies on some level once again within a decade or so, just as an example.

So far as conventional military threats, I think North Korea would give us the biggest problem. We would cream them ultimately, but those people are fanatics. Number two would be the Chinese.
Link Posted: 9/22/2005 5:33:34 PM EDT
Russia right now.

However you look at it, they have trained and prepared to fight us for 60 years. They'd still pack a serious punch anywhere in Eurasia.

China will be tough in 10 years, not right now.
Link Posted: 9/22/2005 5:33:42 PM EDT
NONE if we use our entire arsenal.
Link Posted: 9/22/2005 5:38:23 PM EDT
France!

Link Posted: 9/22/2005 5:40:40 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 762bodydropper:
North Korea would be the number one hardest country to fight, it would be virtually impossible to go into the country and fight them. I would have to give China a close second, and the fact that half of the stuff bought in america is made in china, therefore funding our number one enemy. So were pretty much buying the guns that are going to be used against our children when we go to war with China.



You are being sarcastic right?
Link Posted: 9/22/2005 5:42:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/22/2005 5:42:53 PM EDT by motown_steve]
China, Russia, and in the case of an invasion Iran (that's why I think we should bomb the shit out of them ).
Link Posted: 9/22/2005 5:42:25 PM EDT
Ourselves.
Link Posted: 9/22/2005 5:45:49 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 762bodydropper:
North Korea would be the number one hardest country to fight, it would be virtually impossible to go into the country and fight them.



We ran them in to China back in 1950 with little trouble using WWII technology. They are really no more powerful now than they were then. This nuke business is nonsense. They can talk all they want but they don't have nukes. And if they did, they couldn't reach the U.S. We can definetly reach them. NK on their own would be a pushover.
Link Posted: 9/22/2005 5:46:14 PM EDT

Originally Posted By lu380:
China and a militarily unified European Union. Worse yet, China AND a unified EU. A "United States of Europe" will eventually happen, and it won't be good for us. They'll kill us with treaties designed to weaken us if the Dems get back into power, and the Dems will be eager to sign them. An actual war won't even be necessary for them.



Old Europe is in a demographic death spiral. In a generation they will be complete economic and military non-entities Currently they have a barely credible military. In a few years, not even that.

UK excepted of course.
Link Posted: 9/22/2005 5:47:07 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/22/2005 5:53:03 PM EDT by DienBienPhu54]




Link Posted: 9/22/2005 5:49:48 PM EDT
Cananda.


they have mooses man.


MOOSES!
Link Posted: 9/22/2005 5:50:00 PM EDT

Originally Posted By PAEBR332:

Originally Posted By lu380:
China and a militarily unified European Union. Worse yet, China AND a unified EU. A "United States of Europe" will eventually happen, and it won't be good for us. They'll kill us with treaties designed to weaken us if the Dems get back into power, and the Dems will be eager to sign them. An actual war won't even be necessary for them.



Old Europe is in a demographic death spiral. In a generation they will be complete economic and military non-entities Currently they have a barely credible military. In a few years, not even that.

UK excepted of course.



Maybe true for now, but you can't deny that the motive behind their unification efforts is to undermine and weaken the US.
Link Posted: 9/22/2005 5:52:05 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DOW:

Originally Posted By lu380:
A "United States of Europe" will eventually happen, and it won't be good for us.



I don't think so. The whole EU thing has reached it's zenith and is on the downside now IMHO. I think we'll see seperate currencies on some level once again within a decade or so, just as an example.

So far as conventional military threats, I think North Korea would give us the biggest problem. We would cream them ultimately, but those people are fanatics. Number two would be the Chinese.



Yes, but the whole EU thing is like gun control: They will keep on trying until it passes.
Link Posted: 9/22/2005 5:52:19 PM EDT

Originally Posted By SirDrinksAlot:
Cananda.


they have mooses man.


MOOSES!



Shit! I always wondered what those things were.
Link Posted: 9/22/2005 5:58:20 PM EDT

Originally Posted By drjarhead:
Russia right now.

However you look at it, they have trained and prepared to fight us for 60 years. They'd still pack a serious punch anywhere in Eurasia.

China will be tough in 10 years, not right now.



+1
Link Posted: 9/22/2005 5:59:56 PM EDT
Right now, China

After Prez Hitlery gets ahold of our armed forces and nerfs them, we'd have a hard time against the Boy Scouts....
Link Posted: 9/22/2005 6:09:19 PM EDT
Your questions are rather broad in nature so I'll do the best I can.

I have to agree with you and Combat_Jack. The thing is, if China were to ever followed through on attaking Taiwan, too hold it, they would almost certainly have to take Japan, the Phillipines and South Korea when they did it. It would almost have to be a combined assault on all four targets with the assistance of North Korea and perhaps Vietnam. This would no doubt turn into WWIII not to mention the fact that we would almost certainly know it was about to happen at almost the same time the Chinese knew it was about to happen due to our survelance. This would quickly turn into WWIII.

China would be able to take Taiwan in a conventioal war but it would not be able to hold Taiwan if they didn't take Japan, South Korea and the Philipines in a conventional war. The USA would either take it back or we'd turn the entire island into rubble.

The consequences of China attacking Taiwan would cripple the Chinese economy.

The biggest nightmare for the USA would be an unpresidented invasion of the lower 48's. Not even China is up to that.

Link Posted: 9/22/2005 6:20:37 PM EDT

Originally Posted By drjarhead:
Russia right now.



No,.... You must be confused. What is left of the USSR is still in dis-array. The Eastern Block Maffia runs the show in the former USSR. They are too busy fucking each other to fuck the USA.
Link Posted: 9/22/2005 6:21:49 PM EDT
the mexicans seem to be doing a fine job of invading the lower 48.
Link Posted: 9/22/2005 6:22:45 PM EDT
In a conventional war we could not defeat and occupy either Russia or China, no matter how hard we tried. We could defeat and occupy N Korea but only with massive casualties. A unitified Europe? Hard to say, I think we might be able to do it.
Link Posted: 9/22/2005 6:22:55 PM EDT
No country. Right now we are in a period of ascendancy. Yes we have much to overcome...but no nation can hold a candle to the United States.

Our biggest enemies are our own crazy liberals/progressives/socialists. THEY are the only ones who can really destroy America.

We, the capitalist, [relatively] rich, [mostly] Christian nation stand in the way of the Left's brainless utopia. Even though the Soviet Union is gone...they flatly refuse to accept the crystal clear FACT that communism is and shall remain a failed religion. THAT is why they HATE all things Reagan...Bush...and conservative.

Link Posted: 9/22/2005 6:24:38 PM EDT
I too agree that it would be about a decade before any one country could be considered a real threat. However the chinese would be that threat.
Link Posted: 9/22/2005 6:28:30 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Stove_Pipe:

Originally Posted By 762bodydropper:
North Korea would be the number one hardest country to fight, it would be virtually impossible to go into the country and fight them. I would have to give China a close second, and the fact that half of the stuff bought in america is made in china, therefore funding our number one enemy. So were pretty much buying the guns that are going to be used against our children when we go to war with China.



You are being sarcastic right?



Nope the sheer numbers of thier military would be a force to rekon with let alone the training these guys do is amazing and they train all day, they are highly efficient in hand to hand as well as fire and maneuver tactics. But dont believe me, I am a fat white kid thats never been out of mableton ga.
Link Posted: 9/22/2005 6:35:11 PM EDT
Texas
Link Posted: 9/22/2005 6:39:29 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Bostonterrier97:
Texas



California is doing a pretty good damn job of dragging us down.........
Link Posted: 9/22/2005 6:42:03 PM EDT
We already lost to The Duchy of Grand Fenwick.





Link Posted: 9/22/2005 6:44:16 PM EDT
Well keeping things in perspective in a "conventional" war I say Iran would be the hardest. Why? Because while China I feel is the overall biggest threat Iran has no nukes. If we ended up in a war with China nukes would be used so it would no longer be conventional. If the whole Taiwan thing was to go down and we ended up at war with China I think Russia would actually stay out of it.
I really dont think any country can even come remotely close to the U.S. in a conventional war in fact I would dare to say that we could probably take on every major military at the same time with an activr draft and civilian armed groups and not lose a war.(probably not win either though)
But if we attacked China im sure they would react with nukes.
Link Posted: 9/22/2005 6:45:20 PM EDT
Mexico. Too hard to hit them without incurring terrific casualties from friendly fire.
Link Posted: 9/22/2005 6:47:37 PM EDT

Originally Posted By BigB1129:
Are we not on good terms with China?




Link Posted: 9/22/2005 8:01:38 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/22/2005 8:12:20 PM EDT
Non-nuke
China
England
North Korea
Finland
Switzerland

With nukes, nobody wins.
Link Posted: 9/22/2005 8:14:18 PM EDT
China will become our greatest threat in the next decade or so. They depend greatly on the US dollar for their military money now, ironically enough. You'd have to be pretty dense not to see that CHina is working on its domination of Asia and the Pacific.

North Korea is just a little puppet of China. They're nowhere near the threat of China and their military is a joke compared to China's. Their soldiers do not compare to ours. China and North Korea rely on tactics of numbers. Our soldiers are a far superior product whereas the Chinese and NK use troops like cannon fodder. They just keep swarming until they overrun. In ten years, if there's a war with China, you bet I'll be ready to kill me some reds.
Link Posted: 9/22/2005 8:16:30 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/22/2005 8:17:54 PM EDT by MachinegunManiac]

Originally Posted By AMZ:
Non-nuke
China
England
North Korea
Finland
Switzerland

With nukes, nobody wins.


That's why we keep our own nukes for a deterrent of the use of nuclear weapons. England is and will always be our ally. Finland and the Swiss have no beef with us nor will they in the future. They are pretty neutral for the most part.

Finland and Switzerland would be defeated in a matter of days by our military.
Link Posted: 9/22/2005 8:22:12 PM EDT
Mexico, half thier Army is already behind enemy lines.
Link Posted: 9/22/2005 8:24:36 PM EDT
Russia is not a direct threat to us. If war broke out between us and China, they Ruskies might underhandedly give support to the chinamen. Then when it's not looking so good for the chinamen, they might decide to switch to the winner's side.
Link Posted: 9/22/2005 8:26:18 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/22/2005 8:27:06 PM EDT by OBird]
Right now, either China or Russia. A unified EU will not attack the US in the forseeable future. North Korea is so short on food we could probably just starve them into partial submission with hard core blockades/moving everyone out of their artillery range. China has some old technology, but A *LOT* of troops and is only getting stronger. Russia is kinda the opposite - some not-too-shabby technology and a good military but they are only getting worse for the most part.

But if you include illegal immigration as a weapon, Mexico is the most immediate threat.
Link Posted: 9/22/2005 8:29:29 PM EDT

Originally Posted By BigB1129:
Are we not on good terms with China?




Yes!
Link Posted: 9/22/2005 8:34:13 PM EDT
IRAN

They are doing a number on us already in Iraq. It is they who are keeping the insurgency alive.

And...if we went to war openly with them, very, very soon it would involve ALL of Islam (the Iranian mullahs would see to that)...and then ALL BETS ARE OFF...

Because there are BILLIONS of Muslims out there just waiting to fight the Great Satan.

Hundreds of thousands of them are now living within our borders and are "Americans"...
Link Posted: 9/22/2005 8:48:01 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
China. We'll see here in a few years, I think.



I sure hope not!!
Link Posted: 9/22/2005 8:48:51 PM EDT
Andorra.
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