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Posted: 4/21/2016 5:18:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/21/2016 5:21:42 PM EDT by Rogue_UK]
Some people were recently convicted of trying to smuggle in a boatload (literally) of guns. The BBC has the following picture of what it describes as "AK-47-style assault rifles". I'm genuinely intrigued if anyone can give a more definitive identification?


Two men found guilty over UK gun smuggling

The guns - 22 assault rifles similar to AK-47s, and nine Skorpion sub-machine guns - were brought into the UK from Boulogne on a 38ft (12m) cruiser, the MV Albernina, the court heard.



Caption: "More than 20 AK-47-style assault rifles were also in the haul"

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Link Posted: 4/21/2016 5:19:46 PM EDT
VZ58
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Originally Posted By Rogue_UK:
Some people were recently convicted of trying to smuggle in a boatload (literally) of guns. The BBC has the following picture of what it describes as "AK-47-style assault rifles". I'm genuinely intrigued if anyone can give a more definitive identification?


Two men found guilty over UK gun smuggling

The guns - 22 assault rifles similar to AK-47s, and nine Skorpion sub-machine guns - were brought into the UK from Boulogne on a 38ft (12m) cruiser, the MV Albernina, the court heard.

http://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/11A62/production/_88509227_88505906.jpg

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Looks like CZs
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 5:20:55 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/21/2016 5:22:17 PM EDT by Aikibiker]
VZ 58

Seeing more and more of these on the black market these days since the Czechs are replacing them with the CZ 805 and we bought a bunch of them for the Afghanis, who didn't want them since they are not AK's.
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 5:21:18 PM EDT
VZ58
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I've been meaning to get a VZ58, and after seeing that pic, it should be an SBR.
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 5:22:17 PM EDT
Awesome! Once again, thank you Arfcom!
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 5:22:33 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By fatcat4620:
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Which are damn nice guns too.
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 5:23:01 PM EDT
Yup
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I'd give my left nut for a pair of fun-switch Scorpions.

Those short barreled VZ58's are also pretty sexy.
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Look like VZ58s to me
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 5:24:17 PM EDT
AK-47 sounds scarier than VZ-58
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 5:25:33 PM EDT
I won't lie, I would probably own one over an AK if they used AK magazines.

But they don't, so... trashcan gun it is for my 7.62x39 bullet launcher.
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 5:27:39 PM EDT
Dirty fucking heathens!
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 5:28:43 PM EDT
They don't share a single part with any AK variant AFAIK.
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 5:30:08 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By JBski:
I won't lie, I would probably own one over an AK if they used AK magazines.

But they don't, so... trashcan gun it is for my 7.62x39 bullet launcher.
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We all make mistakes. Someday I hope you atone for your sins.
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Originally Posted By Sputnik556:
They don't share a single part with any AK variant AFAIK.
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Yup.

Vaguely similar cosmetically and chambered in the same caliber, other than that they are a totally different rifle.
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 5:48:19 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By retgarr:

We all make mistakes. Someday I hope you atone for your sins.
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Originally Posted By retgarr:
Originally Posted By JBski:
I won't lie, I would probably own one over an AK if they used AK magazines.

But they don't, so... trashcan gun it is for my 7.62x39 bullet launcher.

We all make mistakes. Someday I hope you atone for your sins.


Well, when somebody comes up with a magazine adaptor to use AK mags with the VZ, that day may come, but I don't really see that happening, as I can't see how you would adapt the rifle to use the more plentiful mags. I don't really see CZ making a version that takes AK magazines, either, considering the Bren is the new hotness.

If I ever wind up with a 5.56 AK for any reason, it will have an AR 15 magazine adaptor, for the same reasons.

I've got an SP-01 though, that thing is awesome.
Link Posted: 4/22/2016 1:49:21 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Aikibiker:
VZ 58

Seeing more and more of these on the black market these days since the Czechs are replacing them with the CZ 805 and we bought a bunch of them for the Afghanis, who didn't want them since they are not AK's.
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Did we tell them to goat-fuck off?
Link Posted: 4/22/2016 1:54:20 PM EDT
The media description is surprisingly accurate. I believe those are Czech VZ58s. I'm not even sure if they accept standard pattern AK mags.
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Originally Posted By L_JE:
The media description is surprisingly accurate. I believe those are Czech VZ58s. I'm not even sure if they accept standard pattern AK mags.
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No they don't accept AK mags.
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Originally Posted By Sputnik556:
They don't share a single part with any AK variant AFAIK.
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None.

Similar design but better executed. I think they were the only Eastern Bloc country that did not adopt the AK series.
Link Posted: 4/22/2016 2:36:49 PM EDT
Without clicking the article I wonder where these guns were going. Possible Paris style attack planned for London?
Link Posted: 4/22/2016 2:53:36 PM EDT
Supposedly they are 11 times deadlier than an AK
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Originally Posted By -Apocalypto-:
No they don't accept AK mags.
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Originally Posted By -Apocalypto-:
Originally Posted By L_JE:
The media description is surprisingly accurate. I believe those are Czech VZ58s. I'm not even sure if they accept standard pattern AK mags.
No they don't accept AK mags.

But they have a BHO
Link Posted: 4/22/2016 2:55:03 PM EDT
These are as AK as a Lamborghini Murcelago is to a Chevrolet Suburban.
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Originally Posted By Fidel_Cashflow:


None.

Similar design but better executed. I think they were the only Eastern Bloc country that did not adopt the AK series.
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Originally Posted By Fidel_Cashflow:
Originally Posted By Sputnik556:
They don't share a single part with any AK variant AFAIK.


None.

Similar design but better executed. I think they were the only Eastern Bloc country that did not adopt the AK series.

Nothing about the design is similar except they both have barrels
Link Posted: 4/22/2016 2:56:21 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Fidel_Cashflow:
Without clicking the article I wonder where these guns were going. Possible Paris style attack planned for London?
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CZs are for killing Muslims
Link Posted: 4/22/2016 2:56:36 PM EDT
Well they're Ak-47-ish. Kinda. Sorta. From a distance.
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Muh Klobbs
Link Posted: 4/22/2016 3:04:22 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Fidel_Cashflow:


None.

Similar design but better executed. I think they were the only Eastern Bloc country that did not adopt the AK series.
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Originally Posted By Fidel_Cashflow:
Originally Posted By Sputnik556:
They don't share a single part with any AK variant AFAIK.


None.

Similar design but better executed. I think they were the only Eastern Bloc country that did not adopt the AK series.


Similar design but better executed would be the Finnish RK rifles, the CZ only looks like an AK from a distance, to a layman.
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Originally Posted By TacticalHeater:
These are as AK as a Lamborghini Murcelago is to a Chevrolet Suburban.
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Yep. Extremely smooth shooting rifles. Former boss in FL has a post May sample that is very sweet shooting.
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Originally Posted By TacticalHeater:
These are as AK as a Lamborghini Murcelago is to a Chevrolet Suburban.
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But they look like an AK, which is the scary bad guy gun.
Link Posted: 4/22/2016 4:45:00 PM EDT
lol
Link Posted: 4/22/2016 5:05:55 PM EDT
Looks French.
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Originally Posted By Aikibiker:
VZ 58

Seeing more and more of these on the black market these days since the Czechs are replacing them with the CZ 805 and we bought a bunch of them for the Afghanis, who didn't want them since they are not AK's.
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Leave it to a goat fucker to prefer an AK to a beautiful VZ-58.
Link Posted: 4/22/2016 5:08:45 PM EDT
IRA getting edgy again?
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Originally Posted By JBski:


Well, when somebody comes up with a magazine adaptor to use AK mags with the VZ, that day may come, but I don't really see that happening, as I can't see how you would adapt the rifle to use the more plentiful mags. I don't really see CZ making a version that takes AK magazines, either, considering the Bren is the new hotness.

If I ever wind up with a 5.56 AK for any reason, it will have an AR 15 magazine adaptor, for the same reasons.

I've got an SP-01 though, that thing is awesome.
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Originally Posted By JBski:
Originally Posted By retgarr:
Originally Posted By JBski:
I won't lie, I would probably own one over an AK if they used AK magazines.

But they don't, so... trashcan gun it is for my 7.62x39 bullet launcher.

We all make mistakes. Someday I hope you atone for your sins.


Well, when somebody comes up with a magazine adaptor to use AK mags with the VZ, that day may come, but I don't really see that happening, as I can't see how you would adapt the rifle to use the more plentiful mags. I don't really see CZ making a version that takes AK magazines, either, considering the Bren is the new hotness.

If I ever wind up with a 5.56 AK for any reason, it will have an AR 15 magazine adaptor, for the same reasons.

I've got an SP-01 though, that thing is awesome.


The VZ mags are aluminum and better than AK mags. Unissued and factory wrapped mags were available for $15 just a few years ago.
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Originally Posted By Rogue_UK:
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They've been imported here for years, so it's not like we're real smart or anything.

The Skorpions I'm guessing are VZ-61's.

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Cool. That's what I figured. I have a couple of those in SBR form. Great little gun.

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Link Posted: 4/22/2016 5:22:40 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Strela:
I've been meaning to get a VZ58, and after seeing that pic, it should be an SBR.
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That barrel hanging out there is so mini 14
Link Posted: 4/22/2016 5:52:13 PM EDT
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That barrel hanging out there is so mini 14
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Originally Posted By filthyphil:
Originally Posted By Strela:
I've been meaning to get a VZ58, and after seeing that pic, it should be an SBR.

That barrel hanging out there is so mini 14


Up in Canada they sell some really cool super short VZ58 carbines:

Link Posted: 4/22/2016 5:56:36 PM EDT
It's the gun the female sniper used in the movie Full Metal Jacket

- Clint
Link Posted: 4/22/2016 6:07:01 PM EDT
I prefer the VZs over the AK.

Just some of the cool features are; last round BHO, striker fired, huge ejection port, much more ergonomic safety, a milled receiver, and its still a pound lighter than the stamped AKM.

Fun rifle.
Link Posted: 4/22/2016 6:14:14 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By mak0:


Up in Canada they sell some really cool super short VZ58 carbines:

http://i.imgur.com/Admf6LW.png
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Originally Posted By mak0:
Originally Posted By filthyphil:
Originally Posted By Strela:
I've been meaning to get a VZ58, and after seeing that pic, it should be an SBR.

That barrel hanging out there is so mini 14


Up in Canada they sell some really cool super short VZ58 carbines:

http://i.imgur.com/Admf6LW.png
We can get the pistols and sbr them:

https://www.czechpoint-usa.com/sa-vz58-pistols
Link Posted: 4/22/2016 6:17:23 PM EDT
The VZ58 also shows up in the last Bond movie. One hanging on a wall, and more that Bond takes from bad guys and uses to pick off more bad guys at impressive range.
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Originally Posted By Ledfingers:
The VZ58 also shows up in the last Bond movie. One hanging on a wall, and more that Bond takes from bad guys and uses to pick off more bad guys at impressive range.
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It also showed up in an older Bond flick, "Octopussy."

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