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Posted: 6/12/2007 10:17:16 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/12/2007 10:19:50 AM EDT by sfc_acid]
Hey guys, I'm looking for some inexpensive firearms that are cheap to shoot, but still good ones. I'll be 18 this september and would like to own a few of my own for when I go shooting with my friend. I'm still a new shooter and still need to learn a bit. So this is where good beginer rifles and etc come in. So far I'm looking at a MN 91/30 (shot a m44 before it was fun and cheap to shoot), a .22 of sorts (10/22 or something similar (doesn't have to be mag fed) and a 12 gauge (870) eventualy.

Basicly what I'm asking for is any inexpensive firearms for a pretty new shooter.
CA friendly is prefered for now.

Any help would be appreiated, thanks very much
Link Posted: 6/12/2007 10:25:56 AM EDT
I don't know if CA laws will let you get a SKS, but if you can they are lots of fun.
Link Posted: 6/12/2007 10:25:57 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/12/2007 10:30:57 AM EDT by Primos]
10/22, or an AR.
You can buy/build an AR for under $600.


Please, don't do the "SKS and a 12 gauge" route.

ETA: sorry, didn't see that you're in CA, at first.
Link Posted: 6/12/2007 10:26:51 AM EDT
I built my first AR for $450, had a Colt upper and an Eagle lower.
Link Posted: 6/12/2007 10:27:12 AM EDT
An SKS (fixed mag only) is fine in California last I knew, and plenty of fun. An M1 Garand is VERY cool, and still one of the best deals in rifles going (even if you can't get them from the CMP right now). Those Keltec SU-16 rifles are a hoot, and legal in California. A Mini-14 ain't so bad, and you can pick them up cheap.

For REALLY cheap stuff (like $50 - $60), head over to your local Big 5 and pick up one of the many C&R rifles they always seem to have.

For "cheap to shoot", you can't go wrong with a .22. You could always build a fixed mag (bullet button equipped ) off-list AR-15, and throw a .22 upper on it. Maybe even consider a 9mm upper, since 9mm is still reasonably priced, all things considered.
Link Posted: 6/12/2007 10:29:00 AM EDT

Originally Posted By SubnetMask:
An SKS (fixed mag only) is fine in California last I knew, and plenty of fun. An M1 Garand is VERY cool, and still one of the best deals in rifles going (even if you can't get them from the CMP right now). Those Keltec SU-16 rifles are a hoot, and legal in California. A Mini-14 ain't so bad, and you can pick them up cheap.

For REALLY cheap stuff (like $50 - $60), head over to your local Big 5 and pick up one of the many C&R rifles they always seem to have.

For "cheap to shoot", you can't go wrong with a .22. You could always build a fixed mag (bullet button equipped ) off-list AR-15, and throw a .22 upper on it. Maybe even consider a 9mm upper, since 9mm is still reasonably priced, all things considered.



that shit was $15 at wal mart yesterday...reasonably priced my ass...


to the original poster: Go SKS, 10/22 or some kind of surplus rifle/ammo combo.
Link Posted: 6/12/2007 10:30:28 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/12/2007 10:37:52 AM EDT by operatorerror]
The bolt action Nagant is a good choice for cheap, shoulder bruising, fireball spitting fun. Some ranges will not allow steel jacketed/magnet attracting ammunition due to fire hazards, so ammo should be checked before taking it to the range.

No argument with the 870 for a pump shotgun. Buy a great shotgun once. It will cost a little bit more than a Mossberg 500 but you will never need or want to replace it. can't always say the same about the Mossberg.

A 10/22 is an excellent choice but can be pricey compared to other .22s out there. A Marlin model 60 has a 17 round tube magazine (yes, it's CA legal) and is about half of the price of a Ruger.

You have made some good, solid choices to start with.


eta Keep in mind the cost of ammunition for the rifles you choose, especially with the C&R rifles. The K31 and Enfields are great rifles BUT price .303 British and 7.5x55 Swiss and you won't do much shooting on a budget.
Link Posted: 6/12/2007 10:31:15 AM EDT
Mosins are awesome, as you already know, Also Swiss K31, Mauser K98 are great and relatively cheap. Can't go wrong with a shotgun either, mossberg 500, remy 870, or Winnie 1300 will do and are cheap.
Link Posted: 6/12/2007 10:31:55 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/12/2007 10:32:21 AM EDT by GOBLIN1]
Get a Savage for your first hunting rifle.They're inexpensive and rock-solid! Orrrrr, a Marlin lever gun in 30/30.
Link Posted: 6/12/2007 10:33:23 AM EDT
870
SKS
10/22
Mosin
AR
AK
Hi Point Carbine!!

Any of those would make for a great plinker!
Link Posted: 6/12/2007 10:33:41 AM EDT
How old do you have to be to get a C&R? I'm guessing 21 (I didn't worry about it because I'm twice that age )

There are a lot of C&R options that I would consider both good and inexpensive (K-31rifle, CZ-52 pistol, etc.)

You can build ARs inexpensively if you shop carefully/use the EE.

CZ-452s (.22 bolt guns) are great rifles for the money. I absolutely love mine.

A 10/22 is a must have
Link Posted: 6/12/2007 10:34:32 AM EDT


Gew. 98 Mauser, SMLE No.4Mk.I*, Mosin-Nagant 91/30
(From left to right)
Link Posted: 6/12/2007 10:35:58 AM EDT
Definitely get a 10/22. I was going to tell you to get a .22 pistol through a private sale, but you're in California so that's a no-go. I'd definitely get an SKS if I lived there.
Link Posted: 6/12/2007 10:36:14 AM EDT
If I was turning 18 in California tomorow the first thing I would get would be a Mosberg 500 or 590. Put a side saddle on it and have fun.

The second thing I would get would be a 10/22. Then I would think about getting an SKS or tricking out a Mini14.
Link Posted: 6/12/2007 10:39:33 AM EDT



Kel-tecs. I love my SUB 2000 in 9mm Glock and I loved my P3AT until I sold it.

I look forward to getting the PF9.

Link Posted: 6/12/2007 10:41:44 AM EDT
CZ 452 Trainer. These are perfect to learn marskmanship on. They are about as accurate out of the box as anything you can buy. Don't get sucked into high capacity mags for 22s they are fun for a little while but, nothing beats a good bolt action. After buying my CZ, I keep the 10/22s in the closet.

If you get a Nagant, spend some time researching and get yourself a Finnish Nagant like an M27 or M39.



Link Posted: 6/12/2007 10:41:57 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/12/2007 10:42:48 AM EDT by SIGNAL4L]
Buy a Marlin .357 mag Lever gun. Then purchase a Dillon Square Deal press. Load ammo and proceed accordingly. The friendly looking "cowboy gun" should be ok in Kalifornia. It is also a little beast when you stuff it full of Gold Dot magnums. (125 gr @ 2000 + fps)
Link Posted: 6/12/2007 10:43:46 AM EDT
Ruger Mark III pistol.
Link Posted: 6/12/2007 10:44:32 AM EDT
SKS
Reminton 870
Ruger 10/22
maybe a Savge rifle you you want a hunting rifle
Link Posted: 6/12/2007 10:48:49 AM EDT

Originally Posted By thedoctors308:
i10.photobucket.com/albums/a103/thedoctors308/myfirearms/gew98022.jpg

Gew. 98 Mauser, SMLE No.4Mk.I*, Mosin-Nagant 91/30
(From left to right)


Your order is a little mixed up there ;-)
Link Posted: 6/12/2007 10:51:27 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/12/2007 11:11:12 AM EDT by Paveway_]
Mini-14.

They are common enough on the internet sales sights.

Cut the barrel to 16" or whatever CA min is, and add a muzzel brake at the same time. This is to improve the mini's notorious accuracy. These are relatively cheap gunsmithing jobs. If you want RDS optics, add a ultimak cout rail, but those are another 100 each. Skip any type of magified optics for the mini platform.

Buy a ciener 22 kit for the Mini-14.

Shotguns? I'd skip them unless you hunt or shoot skeet. Just not a shotgun fan, and as a range gun they are not all that much fun once the novelty wears off. They are relatively cheap if you go want one. Get a common type that has lots of aftermarket accessories. 870 or mossberg for example.

My buy list:
2 Mini-14's used (450 ea)
-shorten barrels and add muzzel brakes (75 ea)
-buy a ciener mini-14 22 kit for cheap shooting (140) (35ea for extra mag)
-14 mags (10 ea)
-1 extra 22 mag

2 Ishapor Enfield (these are indian Lee Enfields made in 308/762 NATO(275 ea)
-unless you are collecting, a cheapo ATI sporter stock (60 ea) (makes them much more comfortable to shoot) (longer pull)

Total:
$1,365 for 2x mini-14's (16" bbl and brake), 1x 22 bolt with 14 10 round 556 mags, and 2 10 round 22cal mags
$670 for 2x Ishapor Enfield 2A's with sporter stock
----
$2,035 for 4 guns, 2 556 capable , 2 308 capable and 1 22 conversion - not bad at all

Buy two of each, two is one. The Keltech SU-16 is a nice CA rifle, but there is no 22 kit for it which is why I don't recommend it, and its more expensive than a used Mini-14 which have been around forever. Note a new in box price of a mini-14 is NOT worth the money. 450 is a fair price for a used mini, and add 75 bucks for a barrel cut and brake added.

If you have lots of money get M1A's for your 308 guns.

Edit:
If you just want to get into shooting, get a single mini-14 and a 22 kit which would cost you $770 for a used mini-14 with cut barrel/brake job, 7 ten round mags, a 22 kit with 2 mags.
Link Posted: 6/12/2007 10:53:28 AM EDT
Any 22 rifle is fun to shoot and so cheap to keep loaded. Also just for a fun plinker a SKS is always good since 7.62X39 can be had pretty cheap compared to other ammo.
Link Posted: 6/12/2007 10:54:34 AM EDT
Look for a Garand, or if you have money buy an M1a. Those are the only Cali legal firearms I would consider.
Link Posted: 6/12/2007 10:54:41 AM EDT

For a newbie I would say:

1. Ruger 10/22 - get a basic light barrel model at the pawn shop or gun show. If you get the Williams sight set from Brownells that contains a peep rear and correct height front sight to match it you will be good to go. Part number 962-602-130

2. Ruger Mark II Standard Auto pistol - get the basic model with 4" barrel. They are
cheapest and will shoot very sell if you master the basics

3. Marlin 336 - a super carbine that can be bought cheap used. You can set it up with a peep rear sight, scout scope, or conventional scope. The 30-30 round it fires is good for all but the largest North American game out to 200 yards. The ammo is cheap and on sale even cheaper after the hunting season. People make fun of the 30-30 but it is no joke. Another good thing about them is lever people tend to be easy going and if you go to www.leverguns.com you will be in good company.

Any of these guns are about as cheap as you can find but are quality. Other choices are used Smith and Wesson or Ruger 38's. You can shoot commercial reloads pretty economically and they give you the ability to load 4 live 2 empty to check for flinching. A lot of people never shoot enough to be good because of time constraints and ammo costs and now ammo is even higher.
The main thing you need as a newbie is an experienced guy to get you started and keep you from getting screwed on stuff. If you can find such a person he can help you locate good used guns among the people he knows and make sure you don't fall prey to gun sharks.



Link Posted: 6/12/2007 10:58:33 AM EDT
+1 on the Ruger 10/22

+1 on the KelTec sub rifle. I got out the door for just under $300 with the SR 2000. It takes my 9mm Glock mags, and 9mm is stil reasonably inexpensive (around here). The 9mm can double as a home defense cal.
Link Posted: 6/12/2007 11:03:20 AM EDT
Ruger 10/22

OR



Originally Posted By thedoctors308:
i10.photobucket.com/albums/a103/thedoctors308/myfirearms/gew98022.jpg

Gew. 98 Mauser, SMLE No.4Mk.I*, Mosin-Nagant 91/30
(From left to right)


Link Posted: 6/12/2007 11:04:20 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/12/2007 11:05:55 AM EDT by sfc_acid]
AR's are a bit much right now for the time being.
Looking for 300 or so or less for now. Most likely wont be working for a while as I have a medical condition I have to work to getting managable.
SKS might be a future gun, but not on top of the list
The Keltec SU-16 looks fun but is a bit much, unless I could find it for cheaper?
Cost of ammo is why I'm looking at .22's and rifles with relativly cheap (remeber I said "relativly") ammo/surplus ammo.
Are the Keltec Sub-2k's CA friendly?

Am I stuck waiting until im 21 for a handgun, or is there any way I can purchase them?

So far I'm looking at:
MN 91/30
either a 10/22 or a Marlin 60
870 in 12
Possibly a Keltec sub 2k depending on if they are CA friendly
.22 handgun if I can
CZ-52 if I can also

Sound good to start out?

ETA Shooting isn't a HUGE priority for me at the moment. Just looking for fun stuff to go to the range for fun every now again. Got some other stuff I'd like to have more than several rifles and etc (minus a few)
Link Posted: 6/12/2007 11:07:04 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Currahee:
If I was turning 18 in California tomorow the first thing I would get would be a Mosberg 500 or 590. Put a side saddle on it and have fun.

The second thing I would get would be a 10/22. Then I would think about getting an SKS or tricking out a Mini14.


My thoughts exactly.
Link Posted: 6/12/2007 11:55:37 AM EDT
California I would say WASR 10.
Link Posted: 6/12/2007 12:22:27 PM EDT
First, move out of California...

While a 10/22 is a "must have", I'd recommend a bolt action 22 for the beginner. Patience and the ability actually hit your target on the first shot are virtues. For the money, I think that a Savage Mk II is an excellent rifle. If you must, the 10/22 is an excellent choice. Buy LOTS of 22LR ammo when it's on sale for less than $10 per 500. Buy LOTS of 10/22 hi-cap mags (if can you buy those in CA).

If you don't plan to hunt, a shotgun should be pretty far down the list. The Remington 870 is hard to beat when the time comes.

A Marlin 30-30 levergun is a beautiful thing. There are so many of them out there that you should be able to get one used (not abused) for under $300. The last one I bought was $250, and it came with 2 boxes of shells, a pair of cheap binocs and a nasty old soft case.

Has CA banned all FTF sales? If so, you really do need to move. Strike that smiley at the top.

A 30-06 bolt action of some sort is another "must have", IMO.

At the risk of being branded a blasphemer, I'd say that an AR should not be a high priority for a beginning shooter.

That said, it's your money--do what you will.
Link Posted: 6/12/2007 12:28:13 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TerribleTom:
Has CA banned all FTF sales? If so, you really do need to move. Strike that smiley at the top.


No legal FTF sales since about 1992(?). Not sure of the date.
Link Posted: 6/12/2007 1:18:08 PM EDT
1. Mosin Nagant M38/44
2. Remington 870
3. Ruger 10/22

You pretty much have it down

as far as further down the line:

1. SKS
2. Ruger MKII/III
3. CZ 75
Link Posted: 6/12/2007 5:38:22 PM EDT
Thats sad news there is no face to face .
I might just stick with a .22 and a MN for now.
Thanks for the advice
Link Posted: 6/12/2007 10:19:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/12/2007 10:25:13 PM EDT by Sixgun_Symphony]
Best that you buy an M1 Garand from the CMP while they are still for sale.

Also, consider buying a Marlin 336 chambered in .30-30 Winchester for hunting. You get wild pigs in some parts of California.
Link Posted: 6/12/2007 10:21:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/12/2007 10:22:29 PM EDT by Sixgun_Symphony]
Consider buying a muzzle loading rifle or musket. Check out dixiegun.com/
Link Posted: 6/12/2007 10:23:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/12/2007 10:33:04 PM EDT by blacklisted]
Make sure you check out www.calguns.net and the California Hometown Forum for CA specific info. Most responses in GD will consist of "move to another state" or "everything is illegal." This thread seems to be an exception.

Like others have said, various .22 rifles (Ruger 10/22, Marlin Model 60) and other rifles such as the SKS and Mosin Nagant 91/30 or M44 are all good choices for a budget conscious and/or new shooter. When or if you are ready to get a California legal AR, AK, or FAL, check out calguns. You could build a gripless or MonsterMan grip equipped Romanian AK for around $300 with an NDS receiver, Romanian "G" kit, and a few compliance parts. You'd have to use 10 round magazines if you didn't have any standard capacity ones before the ban, but the only other difference from a free state build is the lack of pistol grip.

My advice would be to stick with more "traditional" firearms until you are VERY familiar with the various lovely gun laws we have here.
Link Posted: 6/12/2007 10:24:48 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Currahee:
If I was turning 18 in California tomorow the first thing I would get would be a Mosberg 500 or 590. Put a side saddle on it and have fun.

The second thing I would get would be a ticket outta that madhouse so I can get an AR.10/22. Then I would think about getting an SKS or tricking out a Mini14.


I give you a big +1 on the Mossy 590, and I fixed the second part.

-Ben
Link Posted: 6/12/2007 10:29:35 PM EDT
M1 Garand
Link Posted: 6/12/2007 10:30:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/12/2007 10:39:03 PM EDT by blacklisted]
I'd also like to add that FTF transfers are legal on long guns over 50 years old. You can easily find a Mosin, Garand, or perhaps a Russian SKS this old.
Link Posted: 6/12/2007 11:01:26 PM EDT
Forget guns for now. Save your money for a bus ticket of that state.



Link Posted: 6/12/2007 11:20:35 PM EDT
10-22 for sure, then maybe mini 14. do not know what a sub2k keltec is, but their .223 carbine is cali legal, but known to be fragile. did not hold up in carbine course, minis and ars did.
no love for the mini here in ar land, but mine does about 2 moa with shimmed stock. cryo for the stringing.
seriouly, if you can move out of this state, you should.
Link Posted: 6/13/2007 1:13:10 AM EDT
Its been years since I had one, but I think I will get myself a nice Norinco SKS when I get home from overseas. It was my first real rifle bought with summer job money in 1988. It got stolen while I was at basic. I have had such crappy luck with AK clones being innacurate or unreliable or out of control expensive (SBR Krink) that this seems like the best way to blast with that caliber and be satisfied with the hardware. I say give the SKS a try!
Link Posted: 6/13/2007 1:32:09 AM EDT
i went with a mossy 500 for my first rifle then a 10/22, sks and then i think my ar was next...

where are you in cali? maybe we can work something out and meet at the range... if your

close by your welcome to come along and try a few out to see what you like... just gotta pitch

in on some ammo
Link Posted: 6/15/2007 10:38:09 AM EDT

Originally Posted By BUDLIGHT906:
i went with a mossy 500 for my first rifle then a 10/22, sks and then i think my ar was next...

where are you in cali? maybe we can work something out and meet at the range... if your

close by your welcome to come along and try a few out to see what you like... just gotta pitch

in on some ammo


I'm in Long Beach for a while longer ( year or so). Do you happen to shoot at burro canyon? Thats where my friend and I go when do (which sadly isnt much at all havnt been sense december).
I'd be willing to throw in a few bucks for some ammo on stuff to try out. That sounds like a good idea to me.

And to everyone who says to leave Cali, I plan to eventualy, just not now. Have college in about a year for 2.5 years then how ever long untill I can get enough to leave. Also depends on if I can find a job in my field there
Link Posted: 6/16/2007 1:38:17 AM EDT
yea i've been there few times... its about 20 mins west of me... we can get out there one of these weekends... maybe check the hometown forum and see when the next group shoot is
Link Posted: 6/16/2007 1:45:07 AM EDT
I'm gonna say Swedish Mauser, 6.5x55

Easily one of the best bolt action rifle you will ever get your hands on.
Link Posted: 6/16/2007 9:22:51 PM EDT

Originally Posted By BUDLIGHT906:
yea i've been there few times... its about 20 mins west of me... we can get out there one of these weekends... maybe check the hometown forum and see when the next group shoot is


I'll see when my shooting buddy can go next and I'll let you know.
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