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Posted: 11/4/2009 5:55:40 AM EST
[Last Edit: 11/4/2009 6:06:23 AM EST by Circle_Cutter]
Whether they are criminals, ex criminals, or simply otherwise law abiding citizens who can't legally carry do to location and laws.

I know many people who are otherwise law abiding citizens who carry for self defense either all the time or under certain circumstances. Going into bad areas. Doing jobs which they've had issues with in the past. One is a woman who was raped in high school and has carried ever since. People move from areas they are used to carrying etc.

On top of those people we have the felons that have served there time. They may have enemies, learned things in prison, want to protect themselves or loved ones, or just realize how the world is a little better.

There are then the current thugs and criminals who carry weapons and tools to rape, plunder, murder, assault, etc.

There is also the population that carries folding knives or other tools they think is legal and is clearly not in many areas from blade length, style, less lethal tools being illegal, etc


What % of the population do you think illegally conceal carry weapons? You can vote multiple times. Please only choose 1 selection for a percentage and then either if you know people who illegally conceal or if you do not know anyone who does.
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 6:01:24 AM EST
87%
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 6:03:16 AM EST
[Last Edit: 11/4/2009 6:05:27 AM EST by Shootist_Jeff]
It's tough to tell because concealed means concealed. I do know people who illegally carry and they're not thugs. They're productive members of society who aren't a part of the "good 'ol boy" network.

As for the amount of people who illegally carry, it's more than most people think. That I'm sure of.
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 6:04:04 AM EST
I'd say 15 to 20
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 6:05:51 AM EST
Before Colorado cleaned up our laws and became shall-issue, I and several friends decided we'd rather be alive with a concealed carry charge than dead without one.

Thankfully it's not such an issue now
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 6:06:02 AM EST
Are we supposed to just guess?
OK, 75%.
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 6:07:05 AM EST
Originally Posted By ApacheScout:
Are we supposed to just guess?
OK, 75%.


I gave some suggestions to be used in your estimate in case some people didn't think of certain things.
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 6:18:25 AM EST
better to be judged by 12 ....
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 6:19:23 AM EST
I don't here in WI but judging by the way people post in WI HTF, many do.
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 6:23:56 AM EST
Here in Illinois it used to be a misdemeanor for illegal carry. That was changed to a felony a few years back. Not worth the risk, just avoid the bad area's.
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 6:28:36 AM EST
I know quite a few people in Cali that CCW without permit.
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 6:34:54 AM EST



i have done it in the past. figured the risk of prosecution is worth being alive...

anyhow, it's not really an issue for me anymore, but i can only assume there are a *few* folks out there like me.


Link Posted: 11/4/2009 6:36:15 AM EST
20 years ago when I lived in california I carried concealed.


Did it in ohio too.


If I felt the need to carry, no law would stop me.
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 6:38:47 AM EST
87%?
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 6:39:44 AM EST
Under 10%
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 6:41:56 AM EST
I would never have broken the law
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 6:53:20 AM EST
I have carried concealed for over 30 years, only have had a permit for the last five I would like to think that there are a lot of other people out there that where in the same circumstances that do the same.
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 6:57:54 AM EST
In Alabama about 20% have permits to carry legally and 30% carry without permits. Never had a problem with either.
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 7:03:16 AM EST
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say at least one person carries illegally.
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 7:19:30 AM EST
Give me a second...........




........Dammit! this thing must be on the fritz again - can't help you.
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 7:36:10 AM EST
I have no idea how many. Wisconsin has no provision for CCW and nobody I know would ever violate the law for any reason. During my 20 years as a Private Investegator I always felt safe and protected by local LEOs so I never carried a firearm in violation of the law. (Cough cough)
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 8:19:43 AM EST
In states where it's illegal?

Less than 1%
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 8:21:34 AM EST
what's this CCW you speak of - the wurkers and phesants in the Peoplz Demokrratic Rupublic ov Illinoiz aren't to be trusted with such things
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 8:33:39 AM EST
Most numbers I've seen put permit holders at or under 1% in legal carry states, I'm sure those that carry illegally are a tiny tiny fraction of that in non-permit states.
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 8:34:06 AM EST
Originally Posted By wtr100:
what's this CCW you speak of - the wurkers and phesants in the Peoplz Demokrratic Rupublic ov Illinoiz aren't to be trusted with such things


I have to go visit my in-laws in Crook Co. on occassion. ssshhhhh......



Link Posted: 11/4/2009 8:36:15 AM EST
Originally Posted By EightySecond:
I'd say 15 to 20


my thoughts.. and if they are not thugs then good for them
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 8:38:49 AM EST
I used to live in a no-carry state..I can honestly tell you in my 18 years there I never knew anyone who even thought of carrying. Though it was impossible to drive through Milwaukee without seeing guns everywhere...though they were all on the 'bad guys'
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 9:05:03 AM EST
Here in IL, I know of several gun group guys who carry conventionally irrespective of the law.

In percentages, probably less than .001% of the population of otherwise "good guys" are carrying.

Me, I carry within the rules.

John
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 9:54:57 AM EST
I know Admiral Ackbar does.

Link Posted: 11/4/2009 10:03:41 AM EST
Originally Posted By bullyforyou:



i have done it in the past. figured the risk of prosecution is worth being alive...

anyhow, it's not really an issue for me anymore, but i can only assume there are a *few* folks out there like me.




One here.
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 10:05:41 AM EST
about 3% of citizens carry legally in free states and I'd guess about 1/10th of that number would do so no matter what.
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 10:07:34 AM EST
Originally Posted By KC-130 FLT ENG:
If I felt the need to carry, no law would stop me.


Exactly. It doesn't stop the bad guys either. Why can't the no-issue states figure that out?
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 10:12:12 AM EST
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 10:18:22 AM EST
[Last Edit: 11/4/2009 10:18:49 AM EST by utahvarminter]
How many rednecks are their in no issue states? How many gang bangers, drug cartels, hit-men, and felons carry? Both questions I don't know.
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 10:19:05 AM EST
Originally Posted By Paul:
In California first time conviction of illegal CCW is $50 IIRC.

Violate the car pool lane and you're looking at $500 after fines and court fees.


I'm not even sure what it is in WI.
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 11:40:29 AM EST
I know one guy, let's all him "Ricky", who does service work where the cops only go in two car patrols after dark. He keeps a .38 in his tool pail and the local shitheads know it but are not the type to invite the pig into their lives. He does his work and everybody is a happy camper.
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 11:44:41 AM EST
Less than 1%
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 11:48:37 AM EST
Originally Posted By Circle_Cutter:
Originally Posted By Paul:
In California first time conviction of illegal CCW is $50 IIRC.

Violate the car pool lane and you're looking at $500 after fines and court fees.


I'm not even sure what it is in WI.


I think maximum is 9 months and 10,000$.

I doubt you would get the max though.
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 11:50:02 AM EST
99.9% of the criminals. The 0.1% criminal is a white collar criminal and has no idea what a gun is.
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 11:55:38 AM EST
What about people who illegally carry in CCW states without a permit?
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 11:56:02 AM EST
I know 1 or more people who do illegally conceals


I find you guilty, Sir, of the crime of murder against the English language!

Link Posted: 11/4/2009 12:01:11 PM EST
I know a few people who used to carry illegally but then the law changed. Now they carry legally. I also know a few people who still carry in places that are not covered by their permits. Myself, I stay legal.
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