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Posted: 11/2/2009 8:25:10 AM EST
CLARKSVILLE, Tenn. (AP) –– Federal, state and military officials are investigating the discovery of about 100 pounds of explosives in Montgomery County.

Ted Denny, a Montgomery County Sheriff's spokesman, said two hunters discovered the C-4, a plastic explosive, on residential property out in the county late Sunday evening.

Denny said it appears the explosives are military ordnance, so officials from nearby Fort Campbell as well as the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives were also investigating.

Denny said authorities are talking to a person of interest in the case but no arrests have been made yet.

Lon Santis, manager of technical services for the Institute of Makers of Explosives, the safety and security association of the commercial explosives industry, said most C-4 explosives are used by the military, but it does have limited commercial use, such as demolition.


Link Posted: 11/2/2009 8:28:09 AM EST
Is it even legal to get C-4?
Link Posted: 11/2/2009 8:33:44 AM EST
Originally Posted By CRC:
Is it even legal to get C-4?


Tag for potential stump clearing
Link Posted: 11/2/2009 8:35:18 AM EST

Originally Posted By CRC:
Is it even legal to get C-4?

Probably have to have a special license to be able to buy and possess it.
Link Posted: 11/2/2009 8:35:54 AM EST
If I thought that I could legally obtain some C-4, I'm almost positive I could find some stumps that need to be cleared in the back yard......


Link Posted: 11/2/2009 8:36:08 AM EST
Tag for potential group buy.
Link Posted: 11/2/2009 8:37:40 AM EST
Was probably 200 lbs before they called in the feds...
Link Posted: 11/2/2009 8:43:01 AM EST
Man, I was wondering where I left that
Link Posted: 11/2/2009 8:45:10 AM EST
100 lbs... pshawww

Thats panty weight.
Link Posted: 11/2/2009 8:45:42 AM EST
Originally Posted By arowneragain:
If I thought that I could legally obtain some C-4, I'm almost positive I could find some stumps that need to be cleared in the back yard......




I'd plant some trees just to buy it.
Link Posted: 11/2/2009 9:22:06 AM EST
[Last Edit: 11/2/2009 9:23:24 AM EST by HardShell]
Link Posted: 11/2/2009 9:31:02 AM EST
The "person of interest" is an Army soldier.

Linky
Link Posted: 11/2/2009 9:32:37 AM EST
Originally Posted By HardShell:

Originally Posted By Harvster:
CLARKSVILLE, Tenn. (AP) –– ....





Take the last train to Clarksville
and I'll meet you at the station
with 100 pounds of C4 all
prepared for detonation.

Don't be slow.

Oh oh oh oh.




Very nice.
Link Posted: 11/2/2009 9:37:48 AM EST
[Last Edit: 11/2/2009 9:39:50 AM EST by mhall8811]
Originally Posted By capnrob97:

Originally Posted By CRC:
Is it even legal to get C-4?

Probably have to have a special license to be able to buy and possess it.


You must have a Federal Explosives (Manuf. or User) license to get it. You have to explain what type of explosives you plan on using and for what purpose they are intended before the BATFE will grant your license.
C-4 in it's military form is utilized in demolition (as the article stated) but not very often, anymore.

Sounds like someone in the nearby military had it stashed.
Bad storm to follow...

ETA: Most PETN utilized in the commercial field is in PrimaCord (DetCord) form.
Fun stuff!
Link Posted: 11/2/2009 9:40:11 AM EST
Cook up a lot of coffee with that much.
Link Posted: 11/2/2009 9:43:05 AM EST
Originally Posted By 0699TeufelHnd:
Cook up a lot of coffee with that much.


Just don't try and stomp it out.
Link Posted: 11/2/2009 9:43:30 AM EST
Originally Posted By HardShell:

Originally Posted By Harvster:
CLARKSVILLE, Tenn. (AP) –– ....





Take the last train to Clarksville
and I'll meet you at the station
with 100 pounds of C4 all
prepared for detonation.

Don't be slow.

Oh oh oh oh.




Good one
Link Posted: 11/2/2009 9:43:59 AM EST
[Last Edit: 11/2/2009 9:44:16 AM EST by kno3sc3h40]
They have now made an arrest. I made a post about it. It is a Special Forces person.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=950040
Link Posted: 11/2/2009 9:44:08 AM EST
Originally Posted By 0699TeufelHnd:
Cook up a lot of coffee with that much.


just don't stomp it out
Link Posted: 11/2/2009 9:53:42 AM EST
What a dumbass.

He will have plenty of time to contemplate his stupidity in prison.
Link Posted: 11/2/2009 9:56:09 AM EST
[Last Edit: 11/2/2009 9:56:27 AM EST by pbaeod]
I have scoured high and low and haven't even found a company that sells RDX based explosives. I can't really think of anything you would specificly need C-4 explosive wise in the demolition feild. A lot Commercial caps don't even reliably set it off.
Link Posted: 11/2/2009 9:57:06 AM EST
Originally Posted By kno3sc3h40:
They have now made an arrest. I made a post about it. It is a Special Forces person.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=950040


SOP would be cache the package.

Guess he's special SF.
Link Posted: 11/2/2009 9:59:33 AM EST
Originally Posted By California_Kid:
The "person of interest" is an Army soldier.

Linky


Dude is SF and he cannot properly cache something? Sucks to be him. Or is he being set up?
Link Posted: 11/2/2009 10:03:08 AM EST
My uncle use to tell stories about the crazy old lady who you'd go to and buy sticks of dynamite out of her garage. Sounds like good times.
Link Posted: 11/2/2009 10:03:29 AM EST
Link Posted: 11/2/2009 10:10:19 AM EST
[Last Edit: 11/2/2009 10:15:34 AM EST by mhall8811]
Originally Posted By pbaeod:
I have scoured high and low and haven't even found a company that sells RDX based explosives. I can't really think of anything you would specificly need C-4 explosive wise in the demolition feild. A lot Commercial caps don't even reliably set it off.


http://www.dynonobel.com/NR/rdonlyres/8ECE459F-6E7B-41B4-B2BE-D25B151B700A/0/Fireline1780_RDX_LS_XHV.pdf

There you go.

ETA: This is oilfield DetCord.
Standard #8 blasting cap detonates it just fine if it's tied in correctly.
Link Posted: 11/2/2009 10:13:49 AM EST
Ya know, I almost posted it was gonna be some SF guy they were looking at but thought that would be too cliché. It sounds like someone forgot the hole part from the burying illicit explosives handbook.
Link Posted: 11/2/2009 10:17:33 AM EST
Originally Posted By iNuhBaDNayburhood:
Originally Posted By capnrob97:

Originally Posted By CRC:
Is it even legal to get C-4?

Probably have to have a special license to be able to buy and possess it.


+1 Yup. Need special Federal ATF-E license to purchase it, you have to fill out plenty of paperwork, and listed in that paperwork you have to provide documentation that you have a constructed & secured 'Magazine' in which to store said explosives, and blasting caps need to be stored (and purchased, IIRC) separately.

But it IS legal - just extremely rare here in CONUS, IIRC.


The JBT's () have to come out and inspect the mag. before they will issue the license, also.
You pretty much get to know your local agents and inspectors on a first name basis.
(whether you like it or not)
Link Posted: 11/2/2009 10:19:05 AM EST
100 pounds of C-4 sounds a tad excessive
Link Posted: 11/2/2009 10:20:29 AM EST
A lot of fun could be had with 100 lbs of C4 and the proper detonators.
Link Posted: 11/2/2009 10:20:33 AM EST
This sounds familiar.

Is the C4 molded into the shape of bunnies?
Link Posted: 11/2/2009 10:41:10 AM EST
Originally Posted By CRC:
Is it even legal to get C-4?


If so I'm in for a group buy.

Link Posted: 11/2/2009 10:46:12 AM EST
so did the military originally just "call it missing"
Link Posted: 11/2/2009 10:46:33 AM EST
Link Posted: 11/2/2009 10:59:14 AM EST
Originally Posted By mhall8811:
Originally Posted By pbaeod:
I have scoured high and low and haven't even found a company that sells RDX based explosives. I can't really think of anything you would specifically need C-4 explosive wise in the demolition field. A lot Commercial caps don't even reliably set it off.


http://www.dynonobel.com/NR/rdonlyres/8ECE459F-6E7B-41B4-B2BE-D25B151B700A/0/Fireline1780_RDX_LS_XHV.pdf

There you go.

ETA: This is oilfield DetCord.
Standard #8 blasting cap detonates it just fine if it's tied in correctly.



That's the first I have seen of RDX based explosives for sale. The thing with C-4 because of Plasticizers and tagant that goes with it, Lower strength commercial caps seem to snot the crap out of I have learned to use mono filament tape around the block where the priming hole is it seems to hold shit together long enough to get good propagation going. Most types of detcord with powdered explosives in them seem to go just fine as long as you got decent continuity.
Link Posted: 11/2/2009 11:01:37 AM EST

Originally Posted By Harvster:
CLARKSVILLE, Tenn. (AP) –– Federal, state and military officials areinvestigating the discovery of about 100 pounds of explosives inMontgomery County.

Ted Denny, a Montgomery County Sheriff'sspokesman, said two hunters discovered the C-4, a plastic explosive, onresidential property out in the county late Sunday evening.

Dennysaid it appears the explosives are military ordnance, so officials fromnearby Fort Campbell as well as the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco,Firearms and Explosives were also investigating.

Denny said authorities are talking to a person of interest in the case but no arrests have been made yet.

LonSantis, manager of technical services for the Institute of Makers ofExplosives, the safety and security association of the commercialexplosives industry, said most C-4 explosives are used by the military,but it does have limited commercial use, such as demolition.



There is no legal 'personal use' quantity without an ATF explosives license.

Link Posted: 11/2/2009 11:02:39 AM EST

Originally Posted By arowneragain:
If I thought that I could legally obtain some C-4, I'm almost positive I could find some stumps that need to be cleared in the back yard......



You can, but you have to get an explosives license...


To get an explosives license, you have to meet safe-storage requirements, which means you need an honest-to-god explosives magazine (read: CONCRETE BUNKER)....
Link Posted: 11/2/2009 11:05:02 AM EST

Originally Posted By Dave_A:

Originally Posted By Harvster:
CLARKSVILLE, Tenn. (AP) –– Federal, state and military officials areinvestigating the discovery of about 100 pounds of explosives inMontgomery County.

Ted Denny, a Montgomery County Sheriff'sspokesman, said two hunters discovered the C-4, a plastic explosive, onresidential property out in the county late Sunday evening.

Dennysaid it appears the explosives are military ordnance, so officials fromnearby Fort Campbell as well as the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco,Firearms and Explosives were also investigating.

Denny said authorities are talking to a person of interest in the case but no arrests have been made yet.

LonSantis, manager of technical services for the Institute of Makers ofExplosives, the safety and security association of the commercialexplosives industry, said most C-4 explosives are used by the military,but it does have limited commercial use, such as demolition.



There is no legal 'personal use' quantity without an ATF explosives license.

As Foghorn Leghorn was fond of saying.................................."That was a joke son."
Link Posted: 11/2/2009 11:05:22 AM EST

Originally Posted By WildApple:
100 pounds of C-4 sounds a tad excessive

It's stolen govt property...

Any amount of that is excessive...
Link Posted: 11/2/2009 11:06:12 AM EST

Originally Posted By chadwick76:
so did the military originally just "call it missing"

Military C4 has tagants in it...

CID is probably looking for it, and once they get a sample, will be able to tell where it's missing from...


Link Posted: 11/2/2009 11:09:25 AM EST

Originally Posted By Dave_A:

Originally Posted By WildApple:
100 pounds of C-4 sounds a tad excessive

It's stolen govt property...

Any amount of that is excessive...

Do you take every comment literally......................................?


Link Posted: 11/2/2009 11:09:33 AM EST
Originally Posted By WildApple:
100 pounds of C-4 sounds a tad excessive


Well, the pile WAS 200 lbs, but the hunters could only carry so much...
Link Posted: 11/2/2009 11:11:25 AM EST
Originally Posted By Dave_A:

Originally Posted By chadwick76:
so did the military originally just "call it missing"

Military C4 has tagants in it...

CID is probably looking for it, and once they get a sample, will be able to tell where it's missing from...




Only if it was made after 1998. Before then it's not tagged. More than likely it was claimed to have been blowed up and he didn't feel like turning it in. Probably accumulated over time.


Link Posted: 11/2/2009 11:11:30 AM EST
Originally Posted By California_Kid:
The "person of interest" is an Army soldier.

Linky


this was my initial reaction
Link Posted: 11/2/2009 11:14:29 AM EST
Originally Posted By chadwick76:
so did the military originally just "call it missing"


I'd bet there were several people involved. One to draw the c4 another to expend and a third to sign for the expenditure. I recall in 1990 or so a landlord found a stash in a rented housetrailer off base from Camp LeJeune. Yup, sure enough they were from Recon Battalion and several were involved up to the E6 or E7 level.

I am sure they are all out of Federal Prison by now though.



Link Posted: 11/2/2009 11:15:31 AM EST
Originally Posted By WildApple:
100 pounds of C-4 sounds a tad excessive



I used to sleep on more than that. ...a few wool blankets on top and it's kinda' comfy


Link Posted: 11/2/2009 11:28:10 AM EST

Originally Posted By pbaeod:
More than likely it was claimed to have been blowed up and he didn't feel like turning it in. Probably accumulated over time.


I know an 18C that had about 4 lbs of C-4 that he had accumulated. He wasn't bragging about it either, just stated it like it was no big deal.

"Left overs" he called it. He said he ended up detonating it on a training mission right before he retired.

He wasn't one of those guys that would bullshit about something like that.

Link Posted: 11/2/2009 11:34:46 AM EST
[Last Edit: 11/2/2009 11:35:40 AM EST by macpherson]
News link from the other thread.

Am I the only one who wants to say WTF to those hunters? Were they supposed to be there or were they trespassing? Why were they snooping through the guy's stuff? Were the crates just sitting out in the open or were they in a barn or shed or something? Either way, Mr. Special Forces didn't hide his contraband very well, but it also makes me consider very carefully who I allow on my property, seems that you can't trust folks these days.



http://www.newschannel5.com/Global/story.asp?S=11424112&Call=Email&Format=HTML


CLARKSVILLE, Tenn. - An Army Special Forces soldier has been arrested following the discovery of 100 pounds of explosives at his Tennessee home in Montgomery County.

Two hunters stumbled upon 100 pounds of C-4 Sunday night at the solider's farm on Johnson Road. The explosives were found in crates.

The house is located near the Fort Campbell, Ky., Army post where the solider is based.

Maj. April Olsen, a spokeswoman for Army Special Forces at Fort Campbell, said the solider, who was not identified, is currently being held in the county jail.

The Montgomery County Sheriff's Bomb Squad was called out to investigate along with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives and the FBI.

Ted Denny, spokesman for the Montgomery County sheriff, said the explosives found late Sunday evening appeared to be military ordinance.

The ATF was lead in this case.

Stay connected to NewsChannel 5 and www.newschannel5.com for more on this developing story.

The Associated Press contributed to this story.
Link Posted: 11/2/2009 12:49:59 PM EST
Link Posted: 11/2/2009 12:58:48 PM EST
Originally Posted By HardShell:

Originally Posted By Harvster:
CLARKSVILLE, Tenn. (AP) –– ....





Take the last train to Clarksville
and I'll meet you at the station
with 100 pounds of C4 all
prepared for detonation.

Don't be slow.

Oh oh oh oh.




Link Posted: 11/2/2009 1:03:04 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/2/2009 1:03:38 PM EST by itstock]
Why the fuck were the alleged "hunters" digging around on someones farm?

This smells like bullshit. Someone didn't have enough info. or even reasonable suspicion to get a warrant, so a couple of "hunters" just happened stumble across a couple hundred pounds of C4.

Right.
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