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Posted: 11/2/2009 9:28:09 AM EDT
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Is it even legal to get C-4?
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Posted: 11/2/2009 9:33:44 AM EDT
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Is it even legal to get C-4? Tag for potential stump clearing |
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Posted: 11/2/2009 9:35:18 AM EDT
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Quoted: Is it even legal to get C-4? Probably have to have a special license to be able to buy and possess it. |
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Posted: 11/2/2009 9:35:54 AM EDT
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If I thought that I could legally obtain some C-4, I'm almost positive I could find some stumps that need to be cleared in the back yard......
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Posted: 11/2/2009 9:36:08 AM EDT
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Tag for potential group buy.
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Posted: 11/2/2009 9:37:40 AM EDT
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Was probably 200 lbs before they called in the feds...
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Posted: 11/2/2009 9:43:01 AM EDT
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Man, I was wondering where I left that
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Posted: 11/2/2009 9:45:10 AM EDT
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100 lbs... pshawww
Thats panty weight. |
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Posted: 11/2/2009 9:45:42 AM EDT
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If I thought that I could legally obtain some C-4, I'm almost positive I could find some stumps that need to be cleared in the back yard...... I'd plant some trees just to buy it.
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Posted: 11/2/2009 10:22:06 AM EDT
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Quoted: CLARKSVILLE, Tenn. (AP) –– .... Take the last train to Clarksville and I'll meet you at the station with 100 pounds of C4 all prepared for detonation. Don't be slow. Oh oh oh oh. 
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Posted: 11/2/2009 10:31:02 AM EDT
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Posted: 11/2/2009 10:32:37 AM EDT
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CLARKSVILLE, Tenn. (AP) –– ....
Take the last train to Clarksville and I'll meet you at the station with 100 pounds of C4 all prepared for detonation. Don't be slow. Oh oh oh oh. Very nice. |
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Posted: 11/2/2009 10:37:48 AM EDT
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Is it even legal to get C-4? Probably have to have a special license to be able to buy and possess it. You must have a Federal Explosives (Manuf. or User) license to get it. You have to explain what type of explosives you plan on using and for what purpose they are intended before the BATFE will grant your license. C-4 in it's military form is utilized in demolition (as the article stated) but not very often, anymore. Sounds like someone in the nearby military had it stashed. Bad storm to follow... ETA: Most PETN utilized in the commercial field is in PrimaCord (DetCord) form. Fun stuff! |
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Posted: 11/2/2009 10:40:11 AM EDT
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Cook up a lot of coffee with that much.
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Posted: 11/2/2009 10:43:05 AM EDT
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Cook up a lot of coffee with that much. Just don't try and stomp it out.
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Posted: 11/2/2009 10:43:30 AM EDT
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CLARKSVILLE, Tenn. (AP) –– ....
Take the last train to Clarksville and I'll meet you at the station with 100 pounds of C4 all prepared for detonation. Don't be slow. Oh oh oh oh. Good one 
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Posted: 11/2/2009 10:43:59 AM EDT
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They have now made an arrest. I made a post about it. It is a Special Forces person.
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=950040 |
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Posted: 11/2/2009 10:44:08 AM EDT
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Cook up a lot of coffee with that much. just don't stomp it out
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Posted: 11/2/2009 10:53:42 AM EDT
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What a dumbass.
He will have plenty of time to contemplate his stupidity in prison. |
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Posted: 11/2/2009 10:56:09 AM EDT
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I have scoured high and low and haven't even found a company that sells RDX based explosives. I can't really think of anything you would specificly need C-4 explosive wise in the demolition feild. A lot Commercial caps don't even reliably set it off.
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Posted: 11/2/2009 10:57:06 AM EDT
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They have now made an arrest. I made a post about it. It is a Special Forces person. http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=950040 SOP would be cache the package. Guess he's special SF.
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Posted: 11/2/2009 10:59:33 AM EDT
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Dude is SF and he cannot properly cache something? Sucks to be him. Or is he being set up? 
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Posted: 11/2/2009 11:03:08 AM EDT
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My uncle use to tell stories about the crazy old lady who you'd go to and buy sticks of dynamite out of her garage. Sounds like good times.
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Posted: 11/2/2009 11:03:29 AM EDT
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Is it even legal to get C-4? Probably have to have a special license to be able to buy and possess it. +1 Yup. Need special Federal ATF-E license to purchase it, you have to fill out plenty of paperwork, and listed in that paperwork you have to provide documentation that you have a constructed & secured 'Magazine' in which to store said explosives, and blasting caps need to be stored (and purchased, IIRC) separately. But it IS legal - just extremely rare here in CONUS, IIRC. |
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Posted: 11/2/2009 11:10:19 AM EDT
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I have scoured high and low and haven't even found a company that sells RDX based explosives. I can't really think of anything you would specificly need C-4 explosive wise in the demolition feild. A lot Commercial caps don't even reliably set it off. http://www.dynonobel.com/NR/rdonlyres/8ECE459F-6E7B-41B4-B2BE-D25B151B700A/0/Fireline1780_RDX_LS_XHV.pdf There you go. ETA: This is oilfield DetCord. Standard #8 blasting cap detonates it just fine if it's tied in correctly. |
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Posted: 11/2/2009 11:13:49 AM EDT
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Ya know, I almost posted it was gonna be some SF guy they were looking at but thought that would be too cliché. It sounds like someone forgot the hole part from the burying illicit explosives handbook.
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Posted: 11/2/2009 11:17:33 AM EDT
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Is it even legal to get C-4? Probably have to have a special license to be able to buy and possess it. +1 Yup. Need special Federal ATF-E license to purchase it, you have to fill out plenty of paperwork, and listed in that paperwork you have to provide documentation that you have a constructed & secured 'Magazine' in which to store said explosives, and blasting caps need to be stored (and purchased, IIRC) separately. But it IS legal - just extremely rare here in CONUS, IIRC. The JBT's ( ) have to come out and inspect the mag. before they will issue the license, also.
You pretty much get to know your local agents and inspectors on a first name basis. (whether you like it or not) |
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Posted: 11/2/2009 11:19:05 AM EDT
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100 pounds of C-4 sounds a tad excessive
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Posted: 11/2/2009 11:20:29 AM EDT
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A lot of fun could be had with 100 lbs of C4 and the proper detonators.
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Posted: 11/2/2009 11:20:33 AM EDT
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This sounds familiar.
Is the C4 molded into the shape of bunnies? |
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Posted: 11/2/2009 11:41:10 AM EDT
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Is it even legal to get C-4? If so I'm in for a group buy. |
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Posted: 11/2/2009 11:46:12 AM EDT
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so did the military originally just "call it missing"
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Posted: 11/2/2009 11:46:33 AM EDT
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Posted: 11/2/2009 11:59:14 AM EDT
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I have scoured high and low and haven't even found a company that sells RDX based explosives. I can't really think of anything you would specifically need C-4 explosive wise in the demolition field. A lot Commercial caps don't even reliably set it off. http://www.dynonobel.com/NR/rdonlyres/8ECE459F-6E7B-41B4-B2BE-D25B151B700A/0/Fireline1780_RDX_LS_XHV.pdf There you go. ETA: This is oilfield DetCord. Standard #8 blasting cap detonates it just fine if it's tied in correctly. That's the first I have seen of RDX based explosives for sale. The thing with C-4 because of Plasticizers and tagant that goes with it, Lower strength commercial caps seem to snot the crap out of I have learned to use mono filament tape around the block where the priming hole is it seems to hold shit together long enough to get good propagation going. Most types of detcord with powdered explosives in them seem to go just fine as long as you got decent continuity. |
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Posted: 11/2/2009 12:01:37 PM EDT
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Quoted: CLARKSVILLE, Tenn. (AP) –– Federal, state and military officials areinvestigating the discovery of about 100 pounds of explosives inMontgomery County. Ted Denny, a Montgomery County Sheriff'sspokesman, said two hunters discovered the C-4, a plastic explosive, onresidential property out in the county late Sunday evening. Dennysaid it appears the explosives are military ordnance, so officials fromnearby Fort Campbell as well as the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco,Firearms and Explosives were also investigating. Denny said authorities are talking to a person of interest in the case but no arrests have been made yet. LonSantis, manager of technical services for the Institute of Makers ofExplosives, the safety and security association of the commercialexplosives industry, said most C-4 explosives are used by the military,but it does have limited commercial use, such as demolition. There is no legal 'personal use' quantity without an ATF explosives license. |
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Posted: 11/2/2009 12:02:39 PM EDT
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Quoted: If I thought that I could legally obtain some C-4, I'm almost positive I could find some stumps that need to be cleared in the back yard...... You can, but you have to get an explosives license... To get an explosives license, you have to meet safe-storage requirements, which means you need an honest-to-god explosives magazine (read: CONCRETE BUNKER).... |
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Posted: 11/2/2009 12:05:02 PM EDT
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Quoted: As Foghorn Leghorn was fond of saying.................................."That was a joke son."Quoted: CLARKSVILLE, Tenn. (AP) –– Federal, state and military officials areinvestigating the discovery of about 100 pounds of explosives inMontgomery County. Ted Denny, a Montgomery County Sheriff'sspokesman, said two hunters discovered the C-4, a plastic explosive, onresidential property out in the county late Sunday evening. Dennysaid it appears the explosives are military ordnance, so officials fromnearby Fort Campbell as well as the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco,Firearms and Explosives were also investigating. Denny said authorities are talking to a person of interest in the case but no arrests have been made yet. LonSantis, manager of technical services for the Institute of Makers ofExplosives, the safety and security association of the commercialexplosives industry, said most C-4 explosives are used by the military,but it does have limited commercial use, such as demolition. There is no legal 'personal use' quantity without an ATF explosives license. |
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Posted: 11/2/2009 12:05:22 PM EDT
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Quoted: 100 pounds of C-4 sounds a tad excessive It's stolen govt property... Any amount of that is excessive... |
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Posted: 11/2/2009 12:06:12 PM EDT
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Quoted: so did the military originally just "call it missing" Military C4 has tagants in it... CID is probably looking for it, and once they get a sample, will be able to tell where it's missing from... |
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Posted: 11/2/2009 12:09:25 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: 100 pounds of C-4 sounds a tad excessive It's stolen govt property... Any amount of that is excessive... Do you take every comment literally......................................? |
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Posted: 11/2/2009 12:09:33 PM EDT
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100 pounds of C-4 sounds a tad excessive Well, the pile WAS 200 lbs, but the hunters could only carry so much... |
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Posted: 11/2/2009 12:11:25 PM EDT
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so did the military originally just "call it missing" Military C4 has tagants in it... CID is probably looking for it, and once they get a sample, will be able to tell where it's missing from... Only if it was made after 1998. Before then it's not tagged. More than likely it was claimed to have been blowed up and he didn't feel like turning it in. Probably accumulated over time. |
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Posted: 11/2/2009 12:11:30 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/2/2009 12:14:29 PM EDT
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so did the military originally just "call it missing" I'd bet there were several people involved. One to draw the c4 another to expend and a third to sign for the expenditure. I recall in 1990 or so a landlord found a stash in a rented housetrailer off base from Camp LeJeune. Yup, sure enough they were from Recon Battalion and several were involved up to the E6 or E7 level. I am sure they are all out of Federal Prison by now though. |
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Posted: 11/2/2009 12:15:31 PM EDT
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100 pounds of C-4 sounds a tad excessive I used to sleep on more than that. ...a few wool blankets on top and it's kinda' comfy
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Posted: 11/2/2009 12:28:10 PM EDT
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Quoted: More than likely it was claimed to have been blowed up and he didn't feel like turning it in. Probably accumulated over time. I know an 18C that had about 4 lbs of C-4 that he had accumulated. He wasn't bragging about it either, just stated it like it was no big deal. "Left overs" he called it. He said he ended up detonating it on a training mission right before he retired. He wasn't one of those guys that would bullshit about something like that. |
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Posted: 11/2/2009 12:34:46 PM EDT
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News link from the other thread.
Am I the only one who wants to say WTF to those hunters? Were they supposed to be there or were they trespassing? Why were they snooping through the guy's stuff? Were the crates just sitting out in the open or were they in a barn or shed or something? Either way, Mr. Special Forces didn't hide his contraband very well, but it also makes me consider very carefully who I allow on my property, seems that you can't trust folks these days. http://www.newschannel5.com/Global/story.asp?S=11424112&Call=Email&Format=HTML CLARKSVILLE, Tenn. - An Army Special Forces soldier has been arrested following the discovery of 100 pounds of explosives at his Tennessee home in Montgomery County. Two hunters stumbled upon 100 pounds of C-4 Sunday night at the solider's farm on Johnson Road. The explosives were found in crates. The house is located near the Fort Campbell, Ky., Army post where the solider is based. Maj. April Olsen, a spokeswoman for Army Special Forces at Fort Campbell, said the solider, who was not identified, is currently being held in the county jail. The Montgomery County Sheriff's Bomb Squad was called out to investigate along with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives and the FBI. Ted Denny, spokesman for the Montgomery County sheriff, said the explosives found late Sunday evening appeared to be military ordinance. The ATF was lead in this case. Stay connected to NewsChannel 5 and www.newschannel5.com for more on this developing story. The Associated Press contributed to this story. |
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Posted: 11/2/2009 1:49:59 PM EDT
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Something about these 'hunters' smells like lutefisk to me!
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Posted: 11/2/2009 1:58:48 PM EDT
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CLARKSVILLE, Tenn. (AP) –– ....
Take the last train to Clarksville and I'll meet you at the station with 100 pounds of C4 all prepared for detonation. Don't be slow. Oh oh oh oh.   
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Posted: 11/2/2009 2:03:04 PM EDT
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Why the fuck were the alleged "hunters" digging around on someones farm?
This smells like bullshit. Someone didn't have enough info. or even reasonable suspicion to get a warrant, so a couple of "hunters" just happened stumble across a couple hundred pounds of C4. Right.
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