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Posted: 5/7/2004 9:54:49 PM EST
[Last Edit: 5/7/2004 9:57:15 PM EST by M4_Aiming_at_U]
You will be supplied food, plenty of ammo and mags of your choice, water purifier device and shelter (tent).

You can bring your choice of Rifle (something affordable say under $900 or so)
and your choice of one Pistol (also an affordable one for say less that $700 or so)

What would be your choices, caliber and ammo?

Mine:

Stamped AK-47 7.62x39mm. A good Hungarian, AK. Mostly FMJ but some SP's too.

Reasons being Still a 30 cal cartridge and decent stopping power at short to medium ranges. Also the weapon is very light so carrying it around the mountains wouldn't be as bad as an L1A1 or something


Pistol would be a Glock 22 in .40 caliber. Winchester SXT's and some good flat nose ball ammo as well.

Reasons for that would be a good accurate pistol with good stopping power and the ability to have large capacity, also a very light pistol for carrying



Im not really going for uber accuracy, but for extra ruggedness and reliability,

What about you fellow gun nuts?
Link Posted: 5/7/2004 10:00:45 PM EST
Pistol: S&W .357 mag.

Rifle: M1A, there is no other choice.

SGatr15
Link Posted: 5/7/2004 10:01:51 PM EST
if its just camping in the rockies for a year i would take something simple.

a rem 700 in 308.
and a 1911.

if i were fighting off zombies\liberals etc i would go with the ak.

the reason behind the 700. simple, less parts=less parts that could fail, accurate.
the 1911? i like 45's
Link Posted: 5/7/2004 10:03:21 PM EST
Link Posted: 5/7/2004 10:04:00 PM EST
If your being given food and everything what purposes are you planning on using it for?
Link Posted: 5/7/2004 10:05:05 PM EST

Originally Posted By Taxman:
If your being given food and everything what purposes are you planning on using it for?



Anyhing,

Just a Msc. applications rifle and handgun.
Link Posted: 5/7/2004 10:06:27 PM EST

Originally Posted By sgtar15:

Rifle: M1A, there is no other choice.



Way too much more weight that I would want to haul all over this mountains.

But a very fine rifle ofcourse.
Link Posted: 5/7/2004 10:07:30 PM EST
Rifle:

Winchester Model 70 Classic, Custom Extreme Weather (Left Hand)
With a Leupold VX-III 4.5-14x50mm
in .300 Win Mag or 7mm Rem Mag.




Handgun:

Smith & Wesson 629 Classic
in .44 Mag

Link Posted: 5/7/2004 10:14:24 PM EST
Rifle: Folding AK74.

Why: Increased range and accuracy over original AK. Same simple design and reliability. Lighter ammo. Ammo still has serious damage capabilities due to bullet design.

Handgun: Springfield armory XD-10MM. 15+1:

Pro: High capacity. Powerful round. Well designed gun, easy to maintain, accurrate, reliable.

Cons: Does not exist yet

I'd also like a machete because I wouldn't want to live in a tent for a year, so maybe I could make a primitive log cabin with a machete
Link Posted: 5/7/2004 10:15:49 PM EST
For the pistol, I agree with the Glock 22. The .40 cal cartridge has been my favorite for the last five years or so. Glocks just don't let me down and they seem to be impervious to the elements of mother nature. Carrying a pistol with Glock dependability and reliability eliminates worry from my mind.
My Glocks always go boom and that's a comforting feeling when you carry.

For the rifle/carbine, I'd have to stick with my most comfortable and trustworthy Bushy M4gery.
Being able to easily pepper a 9 inch frypan from 150 yards with irons and being so familiar with the AR weapon system, it's a no brainer for me. I would however like a few differnet types of ammo loaded in well marked USGI 30 round mags.

I would have to include a SureFire weapons mounted light on both the pistol and carbine, to insure night time illumination of whatever may go bump in the night. Infact, this would be a deal breaker.

Now, when and where is this gonna take place. Count me in.
Link Posted: 5/7/2004 10:34:51 PM EST
good scoped bolt gun in 30-06
and a 44 magnum revolver.

Link Posted: 5/7/2004 10:39:14 PM EST

Originally Posted By M4_Aiming_at_U:

Originally Posted By sgtar15:

Rifle: M1A, there is no other choice.



Way too much more weight that I would want to haul all over this mountains.

But a very fine rifle ofcourse.



I have food, water and a tent.

Where would I be moving to? If the M1A is to heavy then so is the years worth of supplies.

SGatr15
Link Posted: 5/7/2004 10:42:56 PM EST

Originally Posted By sgtar15:

Originally Posted By M4_Aiming_at_U:

Originally Posted By sgtar15:

Rifle: M1A, there is no other choice.



Way too much more weight that I would want to haul all over this mountains.

But a very fine rifle ofcourse.



I have food, water and a tent.

Where would I be moving to? If the M1A is to heavy then so is the years worth of supplies.

SGatr15



Yeah, but don't you have bad back?
Link Posted: 5/7/2004 11:12:55 PM EST

Originally Posted By sgtar15:

Originally Posted By M4_Aiming_at_U:

Originally Posted By sgtar15:

Rifle: M1A, there is no other choice.



Way too much more weight that I would want to haul all over this mountains.

But a very fine rifle ofcourse.



I have food, water and a tent.

Where would I be moving to? If the M1A is to heavy then so is the years worth of supplies.

SGatr15




Hey, I didnt mean anything by it bro.

I was just saying it was just more rifle that I would want to hump around.
Jjust speaking for how I feel about the M1A. I wasnt trying to tell you how to think.
Link Posted: 5/7/2004 11:39:10 PM EST
[Last Edit: 5/7/2004 11:53:23 PM EST by Cato]
Glock 20- 10mm ammo is quite versatile, ranging from full power hunting loads (enough for black bear)
to very mild ones. 15+1 shot in a manageable package can't be beaten. Alternatively a .45 Super custom gun- less reliable, but one could improvise with .45 ammo.

As far as the rifle is concerned, I would like something that is able to take all game in the area. If you don't calculate STHF zombie hordes in, a Marlin "Guide Gun" enhanced by Jim West would do nicely. If the "broader applications" do worry you, a short FAL has some charm. Modern .308 ammo doesn't loose too much velocity when fired from shorter barrels.
Link Posted: 5/7/2004 11:40:25 PM EST

Originally Posted By bastiat:

Originally Posted By sgtar15:

Originally Posted By M4_Aiming_at_U:

Originally Posted By sgtar15:

Rifle: M1A, there is no other choice.



Way too much more weight that I would want to haul all over this mountains.

But a very fine rifle ofcourse.



I have food, water and a tent.

Where would I be moving to? If the M1A is to heavy then so is the years worth of supplies.

SGatr15



Yeah, but don't you have bad back?



EGGS ACT LY! I ain't fucking movin'. When the SHTF my role is sniper.

SGtar15
Link Posted: 5/8/2004 12:29:02 AM EST
Link Posted: 5/8/2004 1:01:17 AM EST
[Last Edit: 5/8/2004 1:02:56 AM EST by MichaelSavage]
Maybe this is a stupid question, but why has nobody said AR15? I was thinking that I'd take an AR15 configured pretty much like an A2 (20" barrel, iron sights built in, standard stock, maybe add a scope). I think this would be a good multi-purpose rifle that is still not terribly heavy or bulky. Maybe I'm dead wrong...

I guess it boils down to what some people have asked: What exactly will I be doing with it? Hunting game? Guarding my location? Patroling for the enemy? All of the above?

Anyway, I think the 700 in 308 is a good idea, until you have multiple armed human targets that are too close. This is when a semi-auto M1A in 308 would make sense... and my 20" AR15 idea. Teach me!

Edited to add: Oh yea, and for a pistol, M1911A1 all the way baby!
Link Posted: 5/8/2004 1:03:51 AM EST
Im not sure of the real layout of the area. I did live in Denver area for a year but never went to the mountains.
Link Posted: 5/8/2004 2:58:39 AM EST
A Barrett 82A1 and a DE 50AE.

Might be a bitch to lug around but if I have food, water, and shelter I don't need to go far.

So I am slightly over your price ranges
Link Posted: 5/8/2004 3:06:03 AM EST

originally posted by michaelsavage:
Maybe this is a stupid question, but why has nobody said AR15?





originally posted by HighStrung1:
For the rifle/carbine, I'd have to stick with my most comfortable and trustworthy Bushy M4gery.




What ever happened to reading comprehension? Sheesh! Reading is fundamental!



Link Posted: 5/8/2004 3:36:48 AM EST

Originally Posted By M4_Aiming_at_U:

Originally Posted By Taxman:
If your being given food and everything what purposes are you planning on using it for?



Anyhing,

Just a Msc. applications rifle and handgun.



He's been watching Red Dawn again.
Link Posted: 5/8/2004 3:46:07 AM EST
[Last Edit: 5/8/2004 3:47:52 AM EST by fight4yourrights]

Originally Posted By MichaelSavage:

Maybe this is a stupid question, but why has nobody said AR15?



Because it just starts a pissing match about 1,000 yard headshots, mouseguns, ability to shoot through 20" of steel & a 5 ft diameter oak tree, etc...

Remember, a 30 cal has near mythical abilities.


I would bring an AR15. With the right ammo, it'll do pretty much anything I want it to do.
Link Posted: 5/8/2004 4:05:29 AM EST

Originally Posted By Janus:
Rifle:

Winchester Model 70 Classic, Custom Extreme Weather (Left Hand)
With a Leupold VX-III 4.5-14x50mm
in .300 Win Mag or 7mm Rem Mag.

www.winchester-guns.com/prodinfo/catalog/images/535917m.jpg


Handgun:

Smith & Wesson 629 Classic
in .44 Mag

www.swfirearms.vista.com/content/00/01/32/32/75/userimages/163636_item.jpg


Ding-ding! We have a winner.

Ya beat me to it. The reason for our trek into the mountains wasn't 'splained...was it? I guess we aren't heading up there for SHTF reasons...it isn't armageddon...rather it sounds like a survival scenario.
In light of that, a good bolt rifle and scope combo plus a .44 Mag REVOLVER are the best choces to put food on the table. Less complicated than semi-autos...and utterly reliable in all conditions and requiring a minimum of maintenance. The rifle is a Mauser action clone and the pistol...well...hey, it's a 629. It can really make your day in a pinch. .

Mind you...I'd be pretty comfortable with my M1A and my Walther P-99 in .40S&W...but I'd still prefer the simpler weapons.
Link Posted: 5/8/2004 4:19:41 AM EST
Yep, you can't do much better then a good magnum revolver, be it .357,.41 or .44. w/4" bbl. it'd be easy to pack and give you a good level of power. For rifles any good bolt gun with a low power varible scope would get the job done. Personally I'd take a Remington 700 w/synthetic stock in .35 Whelen. Stick a good quality 2-7X32mm scope on it and you'd be good to go out to 400 yards or so and with a big enough bullet to take care of any bears you might come across. Remember, K.I.S.S., simple is best when you're out in the boonies.
Link Posted: 5/8/2004 5:09:03 AM EST
Ruger M77 all weather in .270 Winchester

44 mag 4 inch barrel S&W 629

Link Posted: 5/8/2004 5:27:23 AM EST
Well, if you're supplying ammo I'll take a scoped No 4 Mk 2 Lee Enfield rifle, perhaps *ack* sporterized to save weight, and with the irons intact.. and that 629 mentioned previously.
Mauser actions are nice, mauser actions are accurate.. But in a survival situation (yea I know food provided, but I like fresh meat and would get bored sitting in the tent), the Enfield will put up with more crap, while providing faster follow-up shots. The rifling in particular (deeeeep) should allow for accuracy well past the point where a moderm mauser clone will be a smoothbore. Of course in a year of carefully selected shots one won't burn a barrel out, but what about 5 years? 10? ;) For the long term, I'd also ask for a set of .303 headspace gauges and a full collection of replacement bolt heads to keep things in spec but I don't see needing them within a year. Personally I don't think that's enough time to really weed out the junkers from the workhorses.
Link Posted: 5/8/2004 6:38:00 AM EST
Personally, and as I lived in teh Rockies for 20 years of my life, I woudl say that I would take an 1873 Winchester, Carbine, in .45 colt. And a Schofield revolver in the same caliber, more than enough power and accuracy for anything I am likely to need, accurate to 400 yards for the rifle, and complete ammo interchangeablility


Besides, I know they work well in the cold, and in the dust, and everythign in between.
Link Posted: 5/8/2004 6:48:55 AM EST
SHTF scenario:

Shorty AR & 1911

Just takin' a year off and hangin' out in the Rockies scenario:
My bolt action '06 and S&W 686-4 .357mag
Link Posted: 5/8/2004 6:51:04 AM EST
[Last Edit: 5/8/2004 5:23:38 PM EST by rn45]
A Marlin 1895 guide gun in 45-70 and a Ruger Vaquero in .45 Colt.

Bears live in the Rockies.

The 45-70 will kill a bear RFN, and anything else that you might run into.

Link Posted: 5/8/2004 7:03:26 AM EST
Marlin lever gun in 45/70 or .450 Marlin.

Glock 20.

Link Posted: 5/8/2004 7:05:54 AM EST

Originally Posted By gamesniper:
SHTF scenario:

Shorty AR & 1911

Just takin' a year off and hangin' out in the Rockies scenario:
My bolt action '06 and S&W 686-4 .357mag



same setup, except if it's just takin a year off and hang out in the Rockies, it'd be my bolt action .308 and still the 1911, or a Glock 20 10mm.
Link Posted: 5/8/2004 7:24:01 AM EST
Since all of the necessary are provided, I would take what I already have (1) Mauser 3000 .243 w/ Redfield 3x9x40 (2) Kimber Custom Classic w/ crimson trace and clothing that is appropriate for the seasons
Link Posted: 5/8/2004 7:28:40 AM EST
Why, my 10-22 and a .38.

That's all.

Balmolio
Link Posted: 5/8/2004 7:52:52 AM EST
Link Posted: 5/8/2004 7:57:14 AM EST
Stainless/synthic in .308, with a super heavy duty scope and a back-up, both lever claw mounts, and iron backups (not a whole lot of difference between rem, winnie, and weatheby as long as they meet those baselines).

Smith 629 and soft rubber grips.
Link Posted: 5/8/2004 8:40:46 AM EST

Originally Posted By TREETOP:
Suppressed .22lr pistol, and a short barreled FAL.



Ding Ding Ding, we have a winner. Except I'd exchange the FAL for a Rem700 UL in 30-06 or .308
Link Posted: 5/8/2004 9:30:44 AM EST

Originally Posted By TacticalPenguin:
Personally, and as I lived in teh Rockies for 20 years of my life, I woudl say that I would take an 1873 Winchester, Carbine, in .45 colt. And a Schofield revolver in the same caliber, more than enough power and accuracy for anything I am likely to need, accurate to 400 yards for the rifle, and complete ammo interchangeablility


Besides, I know they work well in the cold, and in the dust, and everythign in between.




provided the loads are really stout im with this guy
I just hope i dont run into any browns.
Link Posted: 5/8/2004 9:33:36 AM EST
Marlin .444 and a Smith .357 Mag...
Link Posted: 5/8/2004 9:48:19 AM EST

Originally Posted By HighStrung1:

originally posted by michaelsavage:
Maybe this is a stupid question, but why has nobody said AR15?





originally posted by HighStrung1:
For the rifle/carbine, I'd have to stick with my most comfortable and trustworthy Bushy M4gery.




What ever happened to reading comprehension? Sheesh! Reading is fundamental!






LOL sorry guys I missed that one....

Link Posted: 5/8/2004 9:49:51 AM EST

Originally Posted By fight4yourrights:

Originally Posted By MichaelSavage:

Maybe this is a stupid question, but why has nobody said AR15?



Because it just starts a pissing match about 1,000 yard headshots, mouseguns, ability to shoot through 20" of steel & a 5 ft diameter oak tree, etc...

Remember, a 30 cal has near mythical abilities.


I would bring an AR15. With the right ammo, it'll do pretty much anything I want it to do.



Sorry... I'm not trying to start a cartridge arguement!!! I'm trying to learn from you guys!
Link Posted: 5/8/2004 10:15:29 AM EST
Looking at the Rockies everyday, and hiking them once a week, all I can say is: Something light would be in order.

AR 15 in .223, with supressor.

With an extra flattop upper (scoped) in a larger caliber for hunting, oh also, a .22 conversion kit and 40,000 rds of .22 to pass the time. (Exploiting a loophole there- You said nothing about accessories) I may also need a .50 Cal BMG upper as well.


A S&W titanium-scandium revolver in .44 or .357
Link Posted: 5/8/2004 10:36:03 AM EST
Rifle = Bolt Action .300 RSUM or .300 WSM
Handgun = Glock 20 w/full power loads

These should just about take care of any situation in the mountains, except small game hunting. Maybe throw a light weight 10/22 or .22lr pistol in the back pack.
Link Posted: 5/8/2004 10:52:10 AM EST
I'd have to take the FAL and a 1911.

Lebrew
Link Posted: 5/8/2004 11:07:02 AM EST

Originally Posted By Cato:
Modern .308 ammo doesn't loose too much velocity when fired from shorter barrels.



Its LOSE! L-O-S-E



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Link Posted: 5/8/2004 11:08:03 AM EST
[Last Edit: 5/8/2004 11:09:04 AM EST by Andreuha]
I think I'd go with a Izmash-made SVD (cheaper than $900 if it were imporable). Possibly a FAL w/ Optic.
For pistol, something in .44mag.
Link Posted: 5/8/2004 11:16:52 AM EST
Remington 673 Guide Rifle in .300 SA Ultra Mag or .308. For the pistol, either a Wilson CQB or an Ed Brown 1911. (yes, the pistols are a "little" out of the set price range, but whatever )
Link Posted: 5/8/2004 11:25:57 AM EST
Marlin 1895 guide gun in 45-70 and a SW629 4"

Only cause I already own 'em.
Link Posted: 5/8/2004 11:30:13 AM EST
[Last Edit: 5/8/2004 11:33:51 AM EST by Cypher214]
Rifle: DSA FAL Tactical Carbine with PARA folding stock and ACOG


Pistol: Smith 629 PP


Link Posted: 5/8/2004 11:41:29 AM EST
Without any overt indication of a combat situation, I have to agree with the "matching caliber rifle/pistol" selection. A large caliber lever action rifle and a stout handgun will do most anything that NEEDS to be done in this situation.

My choice is a Winchester M94 Trapper carbine and a Ruger Bisley Blackhawk in .45 Colt. The normal ammo would be 325 gr LFN type bullets with a stiff charge of IMR 2400 for about 1200 FPS in the revolver, and(guesstimating) about 1350-1400 in the longer carbine barrel. Inside 100-150 yards this combo would be enough for anything that walks the North American continent.

There's no denying that facing a big bear would be better done with maybe a 375 H&H. But if I'm gonna carry it every day for a year, I'll go with the lever action carbine.

Don in Ohio
Link Posted: 5/8/2004 12:23:44 PM EST
My 1948 Colt 1911.

My RRA NMA2 AR15...with or without scope. Easily with iron sites I could nail a deer at 200 yards.

Cost is $0.00 since I already have in stock.

So, when are we going?
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