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Posted: 11/19/2011 4:07:30 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/19/2011 4:07:45 PM EDT by Ohio]
We all know the M1 Garand has the best stock sights. What is the worst sight arrangement you have ever seen, and why?

My vote would be the French MAS-36. Rear peep sight is too thick, and huge FSB obscures a huge amount of the target zone.
Link Posted: 11/19/2011 4:09:04 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Ohio:
We all know the M1 Garand has the best stock sights. What is the worst sight arrangement you have ever seen, and why?

My vote would be the French MAS-36. Rear peep sight is too thick, and huge FSB obscures a huge amount of the target zone.

Just like the Mini-14.

Link Posted: 11/19/2011 4:09:32 PM EDT
Teh AK
Link Posted: 11/19/2011 4:10:59 PM EDT
AK and K98





Link Posted: 11/19/2011 4:12:06 PM EDT
SKS

Front sight is way too big.
Link Posted: 11/19/2011 4:12:37 PM EDT
AK the worst and most used
Link Posted: 11/19/2011 4:13:16 PM EDT
K98k Mauser.
Rear V notch and inverted V front post.
Link Posted: 11/19/2011 4:13:35 PM EDT
PAKI-MADE –––– NO SIGTS NEED, ALLAH GUIDES THE BULLETS







I probably saw the worse sights in a Battle of Monroevia picture


Link Posted: 11/19/2011 4:13:39 PM EDT
Originally Posted By kcolg30:
Teh AK


Link Posted: 11/19/2011 4:14:12 PM EDT
Apparently anything that you find on an H&K...

- Clint
Link Posted: 11/19/2011 4:14:14 PM EDT
Although I love my FALs, I'd put them near the top of the list. Having the front and rear sights mounted on separate receivers is the biggest "con" on that rifle, IMO. Luckily, it has enough "pros" to keep it in my Top 5 battle rifle category.

Link Posted: 11/19/2011 4:16:01 PM EDT
mini -14 ranch rifle, dumb blade sight up front and a flimsy peep flip up in the rear.
Link Posted: 11/19/2011 4:17:16 PM EDT
mini 14 ranch because the rear site flew off of mine.
Link Posted: 11/19/2011 4:18:42 PM EDT
Mosins can be pretty bad. I have an M44 where the rear sight notch is shaped like
___ ___
| /
/ /
\/

and the front site is round with a slight off center point Can't hit shit with it
Link Posted: 11/19/2011 4:20:18 PM EDT
Century AK -

oh, there is it over there.

Link Posted: 11/19/2011 4:20:39 PM EDT
K98K

Thread's closed.
Link Posted: 11/19/2011 4:20:40 PM EDT
The ones at the carnie booth where you have to shoot the star out of the paper to win a prize.


Link Posted: 11/19/2011 4:22:15 PM EDT
ak/sks k98
Link Posted: 11/19/2011 4:22:32 PM EDT

Originally Posted By CARSINC:
AK the worst and most least used

Fixed.

Link Posted: 11/19/2011 4:24:05 PM EDT
Originally Posted By pepperbelly:
K98k Mauser.
Rear V notch and inverted V front post.


What Tex said, worst sights period!
Link Posted: 11/19/2011 4:24:50 PM EDT

Originally Posted By pepperbelly:
K98k Mauser.
Rear V notch and inverted V front post.

Yep. I can barely focus on a K98 front sight.
Link Posted: 11/19/2011 4:26:30 PM EDT
Originally Posted By marcushire:
AK and K98







Sorry guys. Not even close.

The Springfield 1903, and the various U.S. Krags, have the worst. Tiny, thin front blades with the thinnest of notches. And then you can flip them up to use the tiniest of peep sights way out there ahead of the chamber.
Link Posted: 11/19/2011 4:27:59 PM EDT
I think the K98 had awesome iron sights. Fuckin' batshit crazies up in myaw!
Link Posted: 11/19/2011 4:30:21 PM EDT
FAL
Link Posted: 11/19/2011 4:30:22 PM EDT
V Enfield sights (pre-ring & post) are hilariously near invisible. They're accurate, but finding them adds about 3 minutes to the time per shot.
Link Posted: 11/19/2011 4:30:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/19/2011 4:31:46 PM EDT by Skillshot]
The AK doesn't have the worst rifle sights because it isn't really the tool of a rifleman. It's a glorified SMG.

I'm going with the CETME. It has the accuracy, power, and sight radius of an excellent rifle, but the adjustment being restricted to an off-center front sight post makes it difficult to sight in and sometimes impossible because the wobble only gives 6moa on each side and often the elevation adjustment is on the wrong spot when you get the windage right.
Link Posted: 11/19/2011 4:31:28 PM EDT
My first impulse would be to say the AK-47 but then I remembered my Winchester 73 which I have not fired in many years. It is a family heirloom to be passed down and the 38 WCF aka 38-40 ammo is expensive and hard to come by. They front sight is a small post and the rear sight is more or less U shaped. I never figured out what the sight picture is supposed to be. Maybe just me because the last time we took it out a friend got tired of shooting bullseyes and took out all four clothes pins holding the target without a miss.
Link Posted: 11/19/2011 4:34:57 PM EDT
AK-47
Link Posted: 11/19/2011 4:38:16 PM EDT
k31
Link Posted: 11/19/2011 4:41:38 PM EDT
Like many others have said, the AK and K98 are it. For pistols, it's the original M1911.
Link Posted: 11/19/2011 4:42:56 PM EDT
Like many others have said, the AK and K98 are it. For pistols, it's the original M1911.
Link Posted: 11/19/2011 4:45:50 PM EDT
10-22
Link Posted: 11/19/2011 4:46:08 PM EDT
M3A1 grease gun.
Front sight is part of the receiver stamping and the rear, well, they weld on a tab and drill a hole. There is no aiming that thing, just point and shoot.
Link Posted: 11/19/2011 4:48:16 PM EDT
French Berthier. Front sight is massive.
Link Posted: 11/19/2011 4:49:41 PM EDT
Anything made in Russia
Link Posted: 11/19/2011 4:51:32 PM EDT
Originally Posted By kcolg30:
Teh AK


Yup, Mine suck!!!

Link Posted: 11/19/2011 4:52:53 PM EDT
Originally Posted By GaryM:
M3A1 grease gun.
Front sight is part of the receiver stamping and the rear, well, they weld on a tab and drill a hole. There is no aiming that thing, just point and shoot.


Thats not a rifle, tho.
Link Posted: 11/19/2011 4:53:21 PM EDT
Mini-14.
Link Posted: 11/19/2011 4:54:53 PM EDT
The AK's get the nod here.

Often canted and function poorly even when they are aligned properly and zero'd in.

Mausers, Mosins and most of that Euro shit is sub-par, too.

American's win at teh iron sights.
Link Posted: 11/19/2011 4:55:15 PM EDT
Bushmaster M17. The irons are very rudimentary, an optic is intended to be the primary sight.
Link Posted: 11/19/2011 4:56:35 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DRich:
Although I love my FALs, I'd put them near the top of the list. Having the front and rear sights mounted on separate receivers is the biggest "con" on that rifle, IMO. Luckily, it has enough "pros" to keep it in my Top 5 battle rifle category.


For widespread rifles, among the others stated, FAL is up their. Plus windage adjustment is a PITA.
Link Posted: 11/19/2011 4:56:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/19/2011 4:57:42 PM EDT by Skibane]
Hi-Point carbine...




Also a winner in the "Most Ugly" and the "Worst Trigger Pull" categories...
Link Posted: 11/19/2011 4:58:17 PM EDT
Mac 11 no question! The AK is head and shoulders above that shit.

This is from a video game but the best pic I could find offhand.

Link Posted: 11/19/2011 4:58:38 PM EDT
Originally Posted By MACD:
Mosins can be pretty bad. I have an M44 where the rear sight notch is shaped like
___ ___
| /
/ /
\/

and the front site is round with a slight off center point Can't hit shit with it




My vote as well
Link Posted: 11/19/2011 4:59:47 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Bumblebee_Bob:
Originally Posted By marcushire:
AK and K98







Sorry guys. Not even close.

The Springfield 1903, and the various U.S. Krags, have the worst. Tiny, thin front blades with the thinnest of notches. And then you can flip them up to use the tiniest of peep sights way out there ahead of the chamber.



I was going to post the Krag but you beat me to it.
Link Posted: 11/19/2011 5:16:02 PM EDT
Schmidt and Rubin K31.

Maybe it's my old eyes, but damn, that rear notch sight is one SOB to line up with the front, it seems like you need a cheek weld up around your eyes.


Link Posted: 11/19/2011 5:17:13 PM EDT
Originally Posted By ops144:
ak/sks k98


I'll go along with this!
Link Posted: 11/19/2011 5:18:58 PM EDT
I'll say sks as well.
Link Posted: 11/19/2011 5:30:57 PM EDT
Any rifle whose sights don't set lower then 200 meters, it doesn't matter if they are the best sights in the world, if you can't aim at a target at 100 yards then they suck.
Link Posted: 11/19/2011 5:31:37 PM EDT
Kar 98 K
Link Posted: 11/19/2011 5:32:20 PM EDT
Socom M1A
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