What John Quincy Adams had to say about Islam

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Posted: 8/21/2005 9:37:19 AM EDT

"In the seventh century of the Christian era, a wandering Arab of the lineage of Hagar [i.e., Muhammad], the Egyptian, combining the powers of transcendent genius, with the preternatural energy of a fanatic, and the fraudulent spirit of an impostor, proclaimed himself as a messenger from Heaven, and spread desolation and delusion over an extensive portion of the earth. Adopting from the sublime conception of the Mosaic law, the doctrine of one omnipotent God; he connected indissolubly with it, the audacious falsehood, that he was himself his prophet and apostle. Adopting from the new Revelation of Jesus, the faith and hope of immortal life, and of future retribution, he humbled it to the dust by adapting all the rewards and sanctions of his religion to the gratification of the sexual passion. He poisoned the sources of human felicity at the fountain, by degrading the condition of the female sex, and the allowance of polygamy; and he declared undistinguishing and exterminating war, as a part of his religion, against all the rest of mankind. THE ESSENCE OF HIS DOCTRINE WAS VIOLENCE AND LUST: TO EXALT THE BRUTAL OVER THE SPIRITUAL PART OF HUMAN NATURE (Adams's capital letters)….Between these two religions, thus contrasted in their characters, a war of twelve hundred years has already raged. The war is yet flagrant…While the merciless and dissolute dogmas of the false prophet shall furnish motives to human action, there can never be peace upon earth, and good will towards men.”

The man was an experienced diplomat, our ambassador to several nations during Washington's presidency and is credited with crafting the Monroe Doctrine. He wrote the above at the end of his Presidency. 175yrs ago. Nothing has changed about Islam, since.

Posted: 8/21/2005 9:40:16 AM EDT

[#1]

I find nothing in his statement to disagree with.

Posted: 8/21/2005 9:44:06 AM EDT

[#2]

You could have written that today. Those founding father dudes knew their stuff.

Posted: 8/21/2005 9:44:46 AM EDT

[#3]

Excellent read.

Thanks for posting this, I had no idea John Q. Adams wrote this.

Posted: 8/21/2005 9:46:44 AM EDT

[#4]

Truth is Timeless.

Posted: 8/21/2005 9:47:01 AM EDT

[#5]

Suicide bombers wrap their genitals in aluminum foil to protect them from the blast for their 72 virgins. Presumably the virgins wont care about a mangled corpse screwing them so long as the junk is intact. Warped is hardly the word for this "religion".

Posted: 8/21/2005 9:47:46 AM EDT

[#6]

That is a real good find. Everything he wrote is right on the nose. thanks for posting it

Posted: 8/21/2005 9:48:12 AM EDT

[#7]

Quoted:
I find nothing in his statement to disagree with.

+1

Posted: 8/21/2005 9:50:50 AM EDT

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Truth is Timeless.

Yep. America had some pretty good men steering this ship back then.

George Washington ought to be revered by schoolchildren. Instead, all they hear about him is that he was the first president...which isn't even the truth.

Posted: 8/21/2005 9:52:28 AM EDT

[#9]

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George Washington ought to be revered by schoolchildren. Instead, all they hear about him is that he was the first president...which isn't even the truth.

He wasn't?

Well dern, I didn't know that.

Posted: 8/21/2005 9:54:17 AM EDT

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Posted: 8/21/2005 9:54:18 AM EDT

[#11]

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George Washington ought to be revered by schoolchildren. Instead, all they hear about him is that he was the first president...which isn't even the truth.

He wasn't?

Well dern, I didn't know that.

He may be distinguishing between the Articles of Confederation and the Constitution as to seperate governements/nations.

Posted: 8/21/2005 9:54:53 AM EDT

[#12]

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You could have written that today. Those founding father dudes knew their stuff.

There are quite a few ARFcomers that will disagree since he was niave and ignorant enough to have faith in Jesus Chris.

To some people around here, JQA would be just as "off" as any muslim extremist.

Which in the end doesnt matter, because the people that post here are smarter than the founding fathers anyway.

Posted: 8/21/2005 9:55:53 AM EDT

[#13]

I wish more people today, would read much of what was written by our early leaders.

Many great thoughts were expressed by many great men.

GM

Posted: 8/21/2005 9:55:59 AM EDT

[#14]

Indeed:

www.marshallhall.org/hanson.html

Washington was first president under the Constitution as adopted by the States.

G

Posted: 8/21/2005 10:03:06 AM EDT

[#15]

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Suicide bombers wrap their genitals in aluminum foil to protect them from the blast for their 72 virgins. Presumably the virgins wont care about a mangled corpse screwing them so long as the junk is intact. Warped is hardly the word for this "religion".

They should have wrapped that tinfoil around their heads to protect them from the poison of Wahabi Islam.

Posted: 8/21/2005 10:06:28 AM EDT

[#16]

Quoted:
"In the seventh century of the Christian era, a wandering Arab of the lineage of Hagar [i.e., Muhammad], the Egyptian, combining the powers of transcendent genius, with the preternatural energy of a fanatic, and the fraudulent spirit of an impostor, proclaimed himself as a messenger from Heaven, and spread desolation and delusion over an extensive portion of the earth.

So...Mohammed was basically just like that convicted felon RON EVERETT who cooked-up that bullcrap called "Kwanzaa" just to dupe his own people for economic gain...

Posted: 8/21/2005 10:06:31 AM EDT

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Quoted:
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George Washington ought to be revered by schoolchildren. Instead, all they hear about him is that he was the first president...which isn't even the truth.

He wasn't?

Well dern, I didn't know that.

He may be distinguishing between the Articles of Confederation and the Constitution as to seperate governements/nations.

That I am. We may have had a different "Constitution," but this country had a president before George Washington.

Don't get me wrong, Washington is a giant among giants in the history of our country, but it'd be nice if factual history was taught to our young for once.

Posted: 8/21/2005 10:07:20 AM EDT

[#18]

Quoted:
You could have written that today. Those founding father dudes knew their stuff.

They certainly did, but I doubt any of their writings would see the light of day. P.C. you know.

Posted: 8/21/2005 10:08:34 AM EDT

[#19]

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Don't get me wrong, Washington is a giant among giants in the history of our country, but it'd be nice if factual history was teached to our young for once.

And English could also be taught as well.

(Sorry, couldn't resist, old buddy.

)

Posted: 8/21/2005 10:10:09 AM EDT

[#20]

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And English could also be taught as well.

(Sorry, couldn't resist, old buddy. )

Fixed it. I hate poor grammar, spelling, and usage.

Posted: 8/21/2005 10:13:10 AM EDT

[#21]

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Quoted:
And English could also be taught as well.

(Sorry, couldn't resist, old buddy. )

Fixed it. I hate poor grammar, spelling, and usage.

Me 2.. Butt somtymes I dont tipe so gud.

Posted: 8/21/2005 10:20:00 AM EDT

[#22]

Quoted:

There are quite a few ARFcomers that will disagree since he was niave and ignorant enough to have faith in Jesus Christ.

To some people around here, JQA would be just as "off" as any muslim extremist.

Which in the end doesnt matter, because the people that post here are smarter than the founding fathers anyway.

Ya know, I normally try not to take issue with things said on teh innernut, but that seems to stick in my craw.

Personally, I think that religion is BS. However, people need to believe in something. It's stupid to denigrate someone for their own personal spiritual (or non-spiritual) beliefs. Where in this thread do you see an atheist spouting off about belief in Jesus=idiot? The Founding Fathers were great men. Period. Irrespective of the whole Christian/Deist/Pagan thing. Who the fuck cares? I sure as hell don't. The words and ideas would have been just as true and good if they had worshipped the Great Pumpkin.

Both sides of the constant God/Government/Church/state thing need to step away from the kool-aid and figure out what the intent was, not the beliefs that may or may not have possibly influenced the intent (or not).

For fuck's sake, not every atheist is a commie loving gun grabbing moral relativist, just like every Christian is not a gun-loving right to life John Birch society book burning loon.

You can be a good person and not be religious, just like you can be a complete shitbag and believe in all your heart that you are a good and true Christian.

FUCK!

/rant off

Posted: 8/21/2005 10:22:25 AM EDT

[#23]

Quoted:
Quoted:
"In the seventh century of the Christian era, a wandering Arab of the lineage of Hagar [i.e., Muhammad], the Egyptian, combining the powers of transcendent genius, with the preternatural energy of a fanatic, and the fraudulent spirit of an impostor, proclaimed himself as a messenger from Heaven, and spread desolation and delusion over an extensive portion of the earth.

So...Mohammed was basically just like that convicted felon RON EVERETT who cooked-up that bullcrap called "Kwanzaa" just to dupe his own people for economic gain...

lol. Basically. Only difference is he pimped it to a bunch of ~~bloodthirsty~~ constantly warring nomads, instead.

ETA language tweak. Wouldn't want to give a PC-afflicted Mod an excuse to shut this down.

Posted: 8/21/2005 10:25:00 AM EDT

[#24]

Quoted:
Suicide bombers wrap their genitals in aluminum foil to protect them from the blast for their 72 virgins. Presumably the virgins wont care about a mangled corpse screwing them so long as the junk is intact. Warped is hardly the word for this "religion".

WTF? Tin foil jimmy hat?

Posted: 8/21/2005 10:25:12 AM EDT

[#25]

Quoted:
Quoted:

There are quite a few ARFcomers that will disagree since he was niave and ignorant enough to have faith in Jesus Christ.

To some people around here, JQA would be just as "off" as any muslim extremist.

Which in the end doesnt matter, because the people that post here are smarter than the founding fathers anyway.

Ya know, I normally try not to take issue with things said on teh innernut, but that seems to stick in my craw.

Personally, I think that religion is BS. However, people need to believe in something. It's stupid to denigrate someone for their own personal spiritual (or non-spiritual) beliefs. Where in this thread do you see an atheist spouting off about belief in Jesus=idiot? The Founding Fathers were great men. Period. Irrespective of the whole Christian/Deist/Pagan thing. Who the fuck cares? I sure as hell don't. The words and ideas would have been just as true and good if they had worshipped the Great Pumpkin.

Both sides of the constant God/Government/Church/state thing need to step away from the kool-aid and figure out what the intent was, not the beliefs that may or may not have possibly influenced the intent (or not).

For fuck's sake, not every atheist is a commie loving gun grabbing moral relativist, just like every Christian is not a gun-loving right to life John Birch society book burning loon.

You can be a good person and not be religious, just like you can be a complete shitbag and believe in all your heart that you are a good and true Christian.

FUCK!

/rant off

Wow, Dude!!! I'll never call you a

"heathen"

again!!!!

Good post.

Posted: 8/21/2005 10:26:17 AM EDT

[#26]

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Quoted:
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George Washington ought to be revered by schoolchildren. Instead, all they hear about him is that he was the first president...which isn't even the truth.

He wasn't?

Well dern, I didn't know that.

He may be distinguishing between the Articles of Confederation and the Constitution as to seperate governements/nations.

That I am. We may have had a different "Constitution," but this country had a president before George Washington.

Don't get me wrong, Washington is a giant among giants in the history of our country, but it'd be nice if factual history was taught to our young for once.

Bah! That's too complicated for kids to grasp. Everything in the grade school classroom is watered down to some extent or another.

Posted: 8/21/2005 10:27:22 AM EDT

[#27]

On topic, the thoughts expressed in the original post are amazingly spot on.......

Posted: 8/21/2005 10:30:57 AM EDT

[#28]

Quoted:
Quoted:
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"In the seventh century of the Christian era, a wandering Arab of the lineage of Hagar [i.e., Muhammad], the Egyptian, combining the powers of transcendent genius, with the preternatural energy of a fanatic, and the fraudulent spirit of an impostor, proclaimed himself as a messenger from Heaven, and spread desolation and delusion over an extensive portion of the earth.

So...Mohammed was basically just like that convicted felon RON EVERETT who cooked-up that bullcrap called "Kwanzaa" just to dupe his own people for economic gain...
lol. Basically. Only difference is he pimped it to a bunch of ~~bloodthirsty~~ constantly warring nomads, instead.

ETA language tweak. Wouldn't want to give a PC-afflicted Mod an excuse to shut this down.

Whoops thought this was a legitimate attempt at intelligent discussion.

Posted: 8/21/2005 10:31:16 AM EDT

[#29]

my mistake-->Posting derogatory comments of a racial, religious, or sexual nature

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