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Posted: 12/22/2003 5:05:46 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/22/2003 5:09:59 PM EDT
The AK was invented to give the world something with which to shoot Wolf ammo reliably. [;D]
Link Posted: 12/22/2003 5:10:19 PM EDT
...and they WORK!





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Link Posted: 12/22/2003 5:10:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/22/2003 5:11:19 PM EDT by M4_Aiming_at_U]
How about a "Whats so special about nekkid wimminz with AK's"

I think that would be good.

As along as the wimmins dont "have looser tolerances."
Link Posted: 12/22/2003 5:13:54 PM EDT
Dont really matter.....as long as you got one.[:D]
I love my SAR2!
Link Posted: 12/22/2003 5:16:03 PM EDT
Why do I need one of those?
Why do I need an AK-47 Assault Rifle?

About 230 ago, some incredibly gifted, wealthy, slave-owning, white guys looked at Western Civilization and undertook what is undoubtedly the most radical, profound political revolution ever conceived. Despite what the history books say, it really wasn't about taxes, or troops in people's homes, or the price of tea or any of that crap. These men were British subjects, but taxes were lower in the colonies than in Britain at the time of the Revolution, there was unprecedented freedom, particularly on the frontier, and these guys were generally the wealthy elite who could have been colonial governors if they had chosen to. They could have afforded to drink tea until they pissed pure caffeine.

Another misconception was that it was a popular revolution. I don't remember who said it, but one of those old dead white guys said that the colonists were divided roughly into thirds, one third loyalist, one third ambivalent, and one third revolutionary (sound familiar?). It took years of coercion and propaganda to motivate the general public to take up arms against the British.

What was our Revolution all about then? These guys realized, 2000 miles from their ruling country that they had an unprecedented opportunity to revolt and form a radical new self-government, where political power was vested in the People themselves, not in a ruling class.

It was an ideological revolution that is still radical today, with the Constitution as the Blueprint for Freedom. In this system, individual liberty is the beginning and end of all government activity. That is to say, government powers are only supposed to extend so far, and only with the permission of the governed. Ideally, where my rights as a citizen begin, the powers of government come to an abrupt halt. Conversely, the primary function of government is to guarantee my liberties, hence the Bill of Rights.
So what we have is an incredibly radical new power structure, one not truly duplicated anywhere else in the world.

So how does this explain why I need an AK-47 assault rifle?

What the founding fathers knew, and so many of the "People" have forgotten (or never learned), is that Power is a zero sum game. If I have it, the government doesn't, and vice versa. Even many pro-gunners miss the point and we allow ourselves to be distracted with "rights" issues, that, while they exist, aren't specifically addressed by the Constitution (right to hunt, right to self-defense, etc.)

The Constitution, the Blueprint for Freedom, and the Bill of Rights, the non-expiring guarantee of liberty, are about one thing: Power. So don't get confused by other issues here.

If this is a country where Power is truly vested in the People, and the government is
LIMITED by the Constitution, then my ownership of an AK-47 is off limits to the government. The Second Amendment guarantees my Right to Keep and Bear Arms, and the Constitution limits the government to very specific, narrow activities, which does not include regulating guns. So, not only is this right specifically reserved to the
People (or, even with a loose interpretation, the states), it also falls outside of the boundaries outlined in the Constitution for the Federal Govt.

Its a double whammy.

Why is it so important to us? Some people fear a tyrannical government taking over (you think they're "paranoid", despite so many historical lessons I could fill several books; but that's another thread). But most, I believe, are more like me. We still believe in the Revolution and its ideals. We ARE Revolutionaries. Power is vested in
ME, as a citizen, and not in the government. It cannot be taken without my permission, which I do not give. Remember, its a zero sum game, so if the government can infringe those liberties, they really don't exist at all, except in theory. Well, I don't want theoretical freedom. I want the real stuff.

So, some argue, we still have freedom of the press and the rest of it, why the big deal over guns? Well, the Bill of Rights is not a buffet, we don't get to pick and choose. I don't like neo-Socialist rhetoric, but I'm not calling for the abolishment of free speech, am I? Because I know that the First Amendment is also about Power - the Power of information (way deadlier than guns, in the right hands, by the way. Case in point, Hitler, whose propaganda machine convinced the Germans to commit unthinkable atrocities; I digress).

Many of us here in the U.S. see the slow, steady, reversal of our Power structure.
Our rights are becoming more "theoretical" all the time. Anyone see that Dateline NBC story on the Louisiana police who are confiscating cars and money from out of state motorists, without a trial (due process) and are not even charging them with a crime or arresting them? How about the IRS, which in case you aren't familiar, has the power to confiscate just about anything you own with the wave of a bureaucrat’s pen. Both of these are examples of activities strictly forbidden by the Constitution and Bill of Rights, yet it happens all the time and there are many more examples beyond these.

So you see, it's not just the Second Amendment where the reversal of Power is evident. Anymore, it seems that the Constitution is just a shell and government doesn't exist for the people, rather the people (taxpayers) exist for the government.

So, like the colonists at Lexington and Concord, this is the issue where we choose to make our stand. Not over taxes, which are atrocious or unreasonable search and seizure, which is rampant, or the separation of powers (who said Klinton could declare war all by himself, anyway?) or any of that other stuff, but over my AK-47. Why? Because like our forefathers (80 civilians on a bridge against 1800 regular troops; how committed were they?), we realize its the foundation of Real Power. Without a weapon capable of providing adequate resistance to overthrow an unjust, un-Constitutional government, the rest of those rights truly are hollow, no longer belong to the people, and can be rescinded at any time by the government (many feel we're already past that point). And then they are not rights, they're privileges.
If the government can take my AK-47, or restrict the amount of ammunition it holds, or restrict further purchases of "Assault Weapons" then the revolution is dead and so are the ideals countless thousands have died for. There's a reason for the Second
Amendment and gun ownership (ESPECIALLY assault rifles), a reason those colonists on that bridge understood; its the last of my rights to go.

THAT'S why I need an AK-47 assault rifle.

- [I]Unknown AR15.com author[/I]
Link Posted: 12/22/2003 5:17:56 PM EDT
I've got an SAR-1 that I put a Red Star Arms trigger in.  Best trigger of all my rifles.  I love that thing.
Link Posted: 12/22/2003 5:19:56 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/22/2003 5:22:56 PM EDT by Tate]
Originally Posted By SteyrAUG:

Campybob says they have looser tolerances.

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Not loose tolerances.

They have loose "clearances".  Loose clearances so that in shitty conditions - well - as stated before - they work!

Nice pic!
Link Posted: 12/22/2003 5:20:12 PM EDT
Because Miss R.S.A. likes them?!

Is one of the AKs in the pic the one you were stuck with SteyrAUG?   ; )
Link Posted: 12/22/2003 5:29:17 PM EDT
Why?  I don't know.  I do know this though:  Since I purchased my SA M-7 from Arsenal earlier this year, it has wormed its way into my heart.  IT is now my preferred SHTF weapon.  VERY accurate out to 100yds, shoots any brand of cheezy Russkie ammo without so much as a burp and looks VERY evil...which pisses off my liberal friends and family.  [;D]
Link Posted: 12/22/2003 5:30:49 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/22/2003 5:55:06 PM EDT
It is a very reliable design for it's intended purpose, as a battle rifle. It probably has seen more combat than any other weapon, it has proven itself.

I'm looking to get my first AK, maybe at this weekends fun show.
Link Posted: 12/22/2003 6:00:53 PM EDT
I like them.

They are a great peasant rifle.
Link Posted: 12/22/2003 6:25:12 PM EDT
cause they're pretty and go with anything I wear.And just make my blue eyes dance....[i know what a fag]
Link Posted: 12/22/2003 6:27:34 PM EDT
If I were going to start a company sized militia, I would issue AK-74 in 5.45 Soviet with synthetic furtinture and 9 mags per man.  

Easy to learn, easy to clean, very robust, cheap ammo, accurate enough for an infantryman (30 rds in a pie plate at 200yds), and did I mention very robust?  

The M16 is a better rifle for a highly trained soldier, but for us rednecks..... the AK.  

BTW, I dont even own an AK variant anymore.  Just my L1A1 and my CAR-15.  
Link Posted: 12/22/2003 6:46:05 PM EDT
...because it pays to be proficient in the use of your enemy's weapon of choice.
Link Posted: 12/22/2003 6:51:30 PM EDT
Once you quit with the Allah method of firing, them daggum AK's can get pretty accurate. It never ceases to amaze me how often I see that classic "from the hip" shit! [b]Shoulder that weapon and inlict some controlled damage boy!!![/b]
Link Posted: 12/22/2003 6:54:24 PM EDT
It's fine by me if the rags want to keep shooting like that.[:)]
Link Posted: 12/22/2003 7:54:12 PM EDT
Well for one thing you would need a lightning link to make an AR/15 full auto,and just an O ring to do the same to an AK!

So when the shit hits the fan a lightning link may be hard to find,but an ACE hardware store is just up the block!

Think about it!    Bob [:D]
Link Posted: 12/22/2003 7:57:09 PM EDT


We'll if I could post a pic of my Preban Poly Tech. Underfolder AKS-762. You would see why. If you could shoot her, you would know why.

As for why you have those cheap safes in the background. I can't understand you. Although it looks like you have a cabinet door for each rifle.
Link Posted: 12/22/2003 8:08:25 PM EDT
The weapon of choice of uneducated 3rd World thugs [:D]
Link Posted: 12/22/2003 8:20:46 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/22/2003 8:43:48 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Winston_Wolf:
Why do I need one of those?
Why do I need an AK-47 Assault Rifle?

Many of us here in the U.S. see the slow, steady, reversal of our Power structure.
Our rights are becoming more "theoretical" all the time. Anyone see that Dateline NBC story on the Louisiana police who are confiscating cars and money from out of state motorists, without a trial (due process) and are not even charging them with a crime or arresting them? How about the IRS, which in case you aren't familiar, has the power to confiscate just about anything you own with the wave of a bureaucrat’s pen. Both of these are examples of activities strictly forbidden by the Constitution and Bill of Rights, yet it happens all the time and there are many more examples beyond these.

So you see, it's not just the Second Amendment where the reversal of Power is evident. Anymore, it seems that the Constitution is just a shell and government doesn't exist for the people, rather the people (taxpayers) exist for the government.

So, like the colonists at Lexington and Concord, this is the issue where we choose to make our stand. Not over taxes, which are atrocious or unreasonable search and seizure, which is rampant, or the separation of powers (who said Klinton could declare war all by himself, anyway?) or any of that other stuff, but over my AK-47. Why? Because like our forefathers (80 civilians on a bridge against 1800 regular troops; how committed were they?), we realize its the foundation of Real Power. Without a weapon capable of providing adequate resistance to overthrow an unjust, un-Constitutional government, the rest of those rights truly are hollow, no longer belong to the people, and can be rescinded at any time by the government (many feel we're already past that point). And then they are not rights, they're privileges.
If the government can take my AK-47, or restrict the amount of ammunition it holds, or restrict further purchases of "Assault Weapons" then the revolution is dead and so are the ideals countless thousands have died for. There's a reason for the Second
Amendment and gun ownership (ESPECIALLY assault rifles), a reason those colonists on that bridge understood; its the last of my rights to go.

THAT'S why I need an AK-47 assault rifle.

- [I]Unknown AR15.com author[/I]
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W W - Great post!
Link Posted: 12/22/2003 8:47:26 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Lumpy196:
The weapon of choice of uneducated 3rd World thugs [:D]
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HEY!  I resemble that remark!  Well...except for the uneducated and 3rd World part.  [:D]

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Link Posted: 12/22/2003 8:56:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/22/2003 8:58:18 PM EDT by Skibane]
LOL - "Third World"? WHO YOU CALLING "THIRD WORLD", BOY?!!!

Ski(the Uneducated-But-Only-Slightly-Thuggish)bane
Link Posted: 12/22/2003 11:53:11 PM EDT
Boy??

Thats can-o-whup-ass talk where I come from. [;)]
Link Posted: 12/23/2003 12:02:57 AM EDT
O aint near done wqith my collection of USGI weapons so the communist bloc stuff will have to wait, besodes I have Garands and we all know they are the greatest battle implement ever devised.  Enough said!
Link Posted: 12/23/2003 6:41:22 AM EDT
the AK family of weapons is simple, robust, and
reliable, easy to maintain, cheap to manufacture, combat proven design.

*AK's work with any magazine, no green followers required.
*very simple to disassemble, you could teach a
monkey to field strip an AK.
*reliable under the most harsh conditions. AK's
dug up in Africa have been known to be fully functional even after being rusted and buried for years!
*very easy to equip and train a peasant soldier
with an AK since they are so reliable and easy to maintain, most 3rd world soldiers just use some gasoline or kerosene to clean their AK and
some motor oil for lube. Some probably never clean their AK's but they keep on working.

simplicity, reliability, function, ruggedness
cheap to manufacture...
Link Posted: 12/23/2003 7:25:23 AM EDT
Hey SteyrAUG, are dem der boots Bates Enforcers?

I happen to like them to wear around like tennis shoes.

Cool AKs, where can I get one?
Link Posted: 12/23/2003 7:38:38 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/23/2003 7:44:42 AM EDT
Gunny Highway: "This is the AK-47 Assault Rifle, the preferred weapon of our enemy. It makes a distinctive sound when fired."
Link Posted: 12/23/2003 7:53:21 AM EDT
Don't forget, bumping an AK is a BLAST! [:D]
Link Posted: 12/23/2003 7:54:04 AM EDT
There is nothing quite like relaxing under a pile of smokin hot brass on a cold winter day.AK 47......when you care enough to send the very best.The weapon of choice for beer drinking revolutionaries throughout the free world.
Link Posted: 12/23/2003 7:59:39 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/23/2003 8:00:38 AM EDT by Da_Bunny]
Good, basic hi-cap, semi-auto rifle, as opposed to the ar15, which is a slightly more expensive(before the mods) modular weapons system.
Link Posted: 12/23/2003 8:00:21 AM EDT
Because I just sold my SAR-1 w/drum mag + Kobra sight for $650 (plus 10+/- other assorted mags and loose ammo I had).

First gun deal I made $ on...
Link Posted: 12/23/2003 8:28:41 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/23/2003 12:38:50 PM EDT by jtb33]
Originally Posted By 1911Shootist:
The AK was invented to give the world something with which to shoot Wolf ammo reliably. [;D]
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[ROFL] [ROFL2]
Link Posted: 12/23/2003 10:17:05 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/23/2003 10:45:55 AM EDT
King of AKs.... [:)]

[img]http://www.rekyyli.com/uutiset/military/P6027221.JPG[/img]

Rk62s and one Rk95 on the right equipped with a Trijicon ACOG.

Link Posted: 12/23/2003 11:05:43 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/23/2003 11:14:14 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/23/2003 11:23:52 AM EDT
Originally Posted By CAMPYBOB:
[b]FLOL. Finally you show up and take the bait.[/b]

steyr, i'm slow after wading thru all those "h & k is speshul becuz it's welded together by black forest elves" posts!

tuukka, you still have 62's in service? i would love a new sako m92/95!

i hear finland has had a little snow, lately! no worries! the ak will run in the snow and cold or the desert sand and heat!



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Yeah, we got some snow on the ground..temps in the -20 C and under.

Got an Rk62 issued to me currently, serving in the Finnish Reserve Officer School.
Link Posted: 12/23/2003 12:02:24 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Tuukka:
King of AKs.... [:)]

[url]http://www.rekyyli.com/uutiset/military/P6027221.JPG[/url]

Rk62s and one Rk95 on the right equipped with a Trijicon ACOG.

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MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

I want one of these:

[img]http://www.valmet-weapons.com/AA_5_56mm_Galil_ARM_Model_392.jpg[/img]
Link Posted: 12/23/2003 12:16:49 PM EDT
Originally Posted By M4_Aiming_at_U:
I want one of these:
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I have that exact one in the collection.[:D]  392=16 inch ARM
Link Posted: 12/23/2003 12:28:25 PM EDT
Originally Posted By DriftPunch:
Originally Posted By M4_Aiming_at_U:
I want one of these:
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I have that exact one in the collection.[:D]  392=16 inch ARM
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Can I come over your house to play.......



[:d]
Link Posted: 12/23/2003 1:02:45 PM EDT
The AK is a loose rifle.  I like loose women, but I dunno about loose rifles.  Do they do it on your first trip to the range?
Link Posted: 12/23/2003 2:11:00 PM EDT
I love my SAR-2!!
Link Posted: 12/23/2003 11:23:10 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Lumpy196:
The weapon of choice of uneducated 3rd World thugs [:D]
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theres a whole lotta G3s, FALs, ARs used by those stoopit thugs, not to mention 50s and anti-aircraft stuff and RPGs etc.

when did education become a requirement for shooting an AR or any other gun ?
Link Posted: 12/24/2003 12:18:48 AM EDT
Oh lighten up Francis

It was a lame ass joke.
Link Posted: 12/24/2003 1:00:52 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/24/2003 1:03:43 AM EDT by raven]
I think most of the criticism of AK's stems from the men who use them.  I dont think anyone who's been in combat against men who wield AK's have anything bad to say about the gun.  Just the men pulling the trigger.

On the gun boards and at gun shows, I hear a lot of snob crap about AK's. I dont think actual fighting men havea  lot of disdain for the things.
Link Posted: 12/24/2003 3:13:19 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Lumpy196:
Oh lighten up Francis

It was a lame ass joke.
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You would think the [:D] would be a clue, wouldn't ya?
Link Posted: 12/24/2003 6:02:46 AM EDT
at the gunshow I overheard a gun dealer saying
AK's were not made to last and they were a piece of junk! he said the average life expectancy of a soldier carrying an AK was about 20 minutes thats why they are made so crude and cheap.

I hear just the opposite from Vietnam vets? VN
vets say it was an excellent weapon.
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