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Posted: 6/3/2001 10:31:02 AM EDT
You guys are going to love this: I was at the University California Irvine graduation ceremony for the Schools of Medicine yesterday (my cousin was graduating). And the guest speaker was the Director of Medicine for Orange County. Her second sentence from her mounth was, "I'm a liberal." For twenty minutes she began telling her sob stories of the last 30 years in medicine and how it related to this country. She finally stated that the healthcare in this country was an atrosity. She compared our terrible healthcare system to the superior healthcare of our friends in the north, Canada. She stated, "We are in the richest, most free, most powerful country in the world... and we can't even provide decent healthcare. We need universal healthful, on a national, preferably global level!" She went off on how the wealth of the top 10% in this country should be distributed to those less fortunate. Then she continued about how the new graduates will not just affect the healthcare industry, but will have an impact in environmental issues, gun control, and politics. You'll love this. After 20 minutes of liberal, socialist verbage, she says, "But I'm not hear to push or share my views on you. But rather ...." THEN WHY'D YOU OPEN YOUR MOUTH B!T&H!!! I looked around the crowd. I couldn't believe it. Some were nodding, others were real quiet. Needless to say, her applause was anything but loud. I know this is California. But for those who live in California, it's no secret that Orange County and San Diego county have consistantly voted Republican, and the overall environment here is VERY conservative. This lady made me sick. ***ptp
Link Posted: 6/3/2001 10:39:28 AM EDT
Graduation ceremonies are boring enough without being captive to Liberal diatribes. I am SOOOOO sorry for you PTP [:(]
Link Posted: 6/3/2001 10:42:12 AM EDT
Liberal doctors should take the first step toward low cost health care, and charge only $10/hr for their services. I'm sure there are a few in So. Cal. I got $10, and would like to make an appointment for a check up, please email me to set it up.
Link Posted: 6/3/2001 10:43:17 AM EDT
Doesn't Canada ship some old people by BUS LOAD down here, for better health care???
Link Posted: 6/3/2001 10:46:10 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Captain Obvious: Doesn't Canada ship some old people by BUS LOAD down here, for better health care???
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I don't know about that. What I do know is that once Canadian doctors complete their heavily-subsidized educations, they beat feet to the US en masse. Canadians doctors are paid jack shit compared to American doctors. My friend almost married a Canadian med student, and that was her plan.
Link Posted: 6/3/2001 10:56:51 AM EDT
I get frustrated with liberals, when they contradict themselves so much. "We are in the richest, greatest, free-est country in the world. We need to re-distribute all this strength and wealth!" The fact that we live in a Capitalist market, and drive on competition and a free market place is what made us so rich and powerful in the first place!!!! Doing what these libs keep saying will only change what they are originally saying! Plus, gun control? Never! ***ptp
Link Posted: 6/3/2001 11:11:49 AM EDT
Dude, Did you boo the speaker?
Link Posted: 6/3/2001 11:12:07 AM EDT
Why didn't you BOOO this liberal windbag?? If there were just 20 other people in the audience who felt as strongly about this as YOU did, I'm sure you could've started something and given the bitch what she deserved, consequently cutting short her socialist diatribe of a speech. It just kills me that some "educated" people could get away with this w/o at least some kind of protest.
Link Posted: 6/3/2001 12:52:10 PM EDT
I'll guaran-damn-tee you I would have booed the bitch. I've done it before. What is amazing to me is the sheeple will look at you like you are some kind of a terrorist. Oh well, I like offending those types too. grin. Actually, I consider myself quite the Southern Gentleman, my moma definately taught me manners, but I damn sure won't sit quiet like a good sheeple when it comes to my LIBERTY! On that note, I happened to be at the right place at the right time when my liberal anti-gun black congresscritter showed up to make a speech just before the last election. Not only did I boo him, me and the rest of my fife and drum corps struck up Dixie! hehe... (we are Confederate re-enactors and we were at the Andersonville monument) caused quite a stir. A few people cheered, the rest cowered in fear like good sheeple. Story over, just had to brag.
Link Posted: 6/3/2001 3:32:05 PM EDT
She's right. We need a national HMO plan with fees set by the govt. and the level of care set by telemarketing clerks making $6.00 an hour. No doctor will make over $60k a year. I suppose she's unwilling to accept that unintended consequence.
Link Posted: 6/3/2001 4:04:30 PM EDT
Make my day. Shoot a liberal.
Link Posted: 6/3/2001 4:06:48 PM EDT
She isn't just a run of the mill liberal. When you start talking about redistributing the wealth, and I don't mean your average demo-lib who wants to raise taxes, but actual confiscation of assets, then you're a Marxist/Leninist.
Link Posted: 6/3/2001 4:17:43 PM EDT
[size=4][b]Hey, Lady![/b][/size=4] Have you ever seen a man so poor that he couldn't get his broken leg set? or the victim of a drive-by shooting in the ghetto that wasn't immediately rushed to a hospital for complete treatment, irrespective of cost? Prolly' not, you g-d communist bItch.[}:D] We don't have a health care crisis in America. We have a [b]litigation crisis[/b] in America today, that has managed to crank up the cost of health care and just about everything else useful in your everyday life. Eric The Hun, Esq.[>]:)]
Link Posted: 6/3/2001 4:39:14 PM EDT
I would have booed that b%itch and walked out. Then maybe other people that had just half the balls to do it would have joined in. She works at a university because she can't hack it with a real job, if 90% of college professors fell off the face of the earth life would go on just fine as their actual usefullness to society is about as important as navel lint. Most have never had a real job, they just went to school most of their life and have been brainwashed and are now on a mission to save the rest of the "planet". I suggest that if she is so concerned about health care that she open a free clinic and provide her services free of charge to whomever desires it. Amazing how these people want to instill their ideas by financing it with someone else's money.
Link Posted: 6/3/2001 6:33:45 PM EDT
Link Posted: 6/3/2001 7:09:50 PM EDT
Clearly whomever hired her to speak had an axe to grind. She wasn't chosen randomly. There are alot of people in medicine who think like that, however. Most had mommy and daddy pay for college and med school, got cars or homes when graduating and never had a real job until then. Take my word for it, that was half my med school class-maybe more. 2 days ago my department chairman told me how everybody thought medicare and medicaid were such great programs until the last decade when the government used its increasing power to pretty much screw over doctors. He went on, within the next 5 minutes to tell me how the country needed government financed healthcare for everyone. And he's one of the better ones! Also, FWIW, medical care in this country is still the best in the world. Canada's is a joke. Europe's is not much better. Russias is atrocious and so is most of Asia's. For the most part the US does most of the innovation and this is expensive. If you want improvement it takes R&D. All of that being said, the cost of medicine could easily be cut 30% but society is not willing to make the hard choices that would cut costs. That's ok with me but then people shouldn't bitch so much about the cost. I have days when only 2-4 patients I see that day really need to see a doctor. Its incredible what people come in with some days. If it were not for health insurance this would not be so. Some of us doc's would be out of business, but it would be better for the nation as a whole.
Link Posted: 6/3/2001 7:13:29 PM EDT
Link Posted: 6/3/2001 7:49:12 PM EDT
My wife would have killed me for it, but I would not have been able to contain my big mouth, I would have shouted, "Shut up, you suck!"
Link Posted: 6/3/2001 8:42:03 PM EDT
The BEST, most COST EFFECTIVE medical care is PREVENTIVE medical care. Emergency rooms are flooded with sick people with no health care program. They delay taking care of their problem until it becomes life threatening. I get socialized, govt. health care in the USA. It's called Veterans Administration Health Care Services. I have a personal physician, a personal psychiatrist/counselor, a dietician, cardiologist, ENT and whatever else I need. I got a cardio procedure this past December that didn't cost me a cent. Probably saved my life. Because of this care, I'm no longer depressed, alcoholic, substance abusing. I'm healthy and productive. This care costs less than putting me in prison or a hospital -- which is where a lot of people with medical problems end up. It's obscene that the USA is the richest country in the world and yet cannot provide health care for ALL it's citizens. We need a Medicare/Medicaid prescription program too. It's cheaper and better for the nation as a socio-economic system to provide meds than to provide emergency care for acute medical problems precipitated by medical neglect. The AMA needs to admit more doctors to Med Schools. Educational programs need to allow RN and Physician's Asst. to practice preventive health care. But more doctors means the price of care would go down, along with their obscene salaries. It's NOT a "liberal/conservative" issue. It's a national health issue, and it needs to be addressed constructively in a bi-partisan forum.
Link Posted: 6/3/2001 9:01:50 PM EDT
Originally Posted By PowderBurns: It's obscene that the USA is the richest country in the world and yet cannot provide health care for ALL it's citizens.
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YOU served your country and the least we can do is provide you with medical care for life. We DO NOT owe the same to welfare queens and their brood.
Link Posted: 6/3/2001 9:07:40 PM EDT
I would've screamed my ass off!! Can't stand these marxists!
Link Posted: 6/3/2001 10:39:44 PM EDT
She compared our terrible healthcare system to the superior healthcare of our friends in the north, Canada. ***ptp
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I worked with a co-worker who is a Canadian citizen, and she says that there is a long for cat-scans etc. And she says that some people would be dead before their turn comes up, so they pay out of their own personal pocket to get medical care in the good ole U.S of A.
Link Posted: 6/4/2001 7:18:31 AM EDT
Let's see the fricken doctors give up their premimum salaries first. That "terrible health care system" continues to get worse under a socialized system. England, France and Canada all have terrible and expensive medical system, which are poorly managed by the Gov. But it's FREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Link Posted: 6/4/2001 7:33:18 AM EDT
Link Posted: 6/4/2001 10:03:00 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Chaingun: England, France and Canada all have terrible and expensive medical system, which are poorly managed by the Gov. But it's FREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Kind of reminds me of my brief eye-opening trip to socialist Cuba in '93. It is well known throughout the world of Cuba boasting it's free healthcare and how it has made some accomplishments. Their entire medical and educational system really is absolutely free and "equitable"--all gov't subsidized. The gov't would fly your destitute ass to mother Russia for a brain op (well, maybe just the gov't connected ones really). Now, read carefully here. The socialist Cuban gov't. is so inept and destructive that it has never, ever really been able to provide enough FOOD to it's herd. These days a majority of the population is malnourished at varying stages. Are the 'workers' grateful and proud of their free medical/educational system? Sure, in their own sarcastic, twisted way. They tell me their free medical is good for when euthanasia is needed to end the pain and complications from years-long severe malnutrition. So what's it all about? Gov't is sure to provide "free" healthcare to all but not concerned much for feeding them? All the free health and education is really a big media/PR coup that has garnered prestige throughout Latin America. Socialists have always been quite obsessed with this. Kind of like the image of the Soviet/Iron curtain's perfectly trained and beautiful pampered Olympic athletes on the world stage while the rest (real population) of their countrymen rot in misery and despair with little to eat. It's true. Been there. Seen it. Socialism (in theory and in practice) makes me sick. I don't care in what form it rears its ugly head, it must be stomped on like a filthy cockroach. Never been to Canaduck, be don't doubt the sad state of its healthcare. Shouldn't be surprised. They take after and are (always were) good amigos with Cuba--at the expense of its loyal ally, the USA.
Link Posted: 6/5/2001 6:43:28 AM EDT
It is not the Doctors. The HCFA and the States control everything. They control the number of admitted medical students. They control residencies--number, type, and location. They control hospital location, beds, equipment, and staffing. They control procedure codes and types for HCFA and the state programs, which the insurers follow like sheep. They decide how much a doctor and hospital will make. They even decide who can have medical equipment. They forbid a doctor or hospital from treating you off program if you are Medi eligable. They even are regulating your Doctor's computer system and connection. The liberal AMA? That's not your doctor's choice to support them. The AMA cut a billing code publishing deal with the feds. Guess who makes all their dough printing the new books every year? Every provider has to have a fresh copy(s) every year. Then they take that money and use it for the liberal cause of the week. The Government runs health care in this country. Most problems can be diectly traced to them. (Ohhh...pissed because your insurer won't fully pay for your procedures? They get away with it because the feds started doing it first. Some places the feds are paying less that half the actual service cost. The insurers follow suit. Someone has to pay, because losing 50% of your cost means not just no profit, but no hospital. So, you get screwed in the wallet, while the leach class uses the ER as their personal doctor without a care in the world other than what brand of 40 oz beer to trade their food stamps for the evening.)
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