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Posted: 12/15/2005 2:35:42 PM EDT
The only true test of a bullets effectiveness performed by shooting ballistic gelatin with the bullet. This is due to the fact that impacting ballistic gelatin will not cause the bullet to perform in the same way that it would when used against an attacker and the block of ballistic gelatin does not contain any obstructions that would cause the trajectory of the bullet to change. Real world examples of shootings are meaningless since they interject uncontrolled variables which cannot effectively be reproduced when testing against ballistic gelatin.
Is that about the size of it? 
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Posted: 12/15/2005 2:38:15 PM EDT
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The snausberries taste like snausberries
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Posted: 12/15/2005 2:46:32 PM EDT
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Who ever heard of a snausberry!
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Posted: 12/15/2005 2:51:58 PM EDT
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Its a Crapshoot, so go big and fast and you will have the best results.
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Posted: 12/15/2005 2:59:44 PM EDT
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 That line gets me everytime! Everytime, I tell ya man!  "The snozzberries taste like snozzberries!"
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Posted: 12/15/2005 3:01:38 PM EDT
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You could also shoot hundreds of farm animals.
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Posted: 12/15/2005 3:05:25 PM EDT
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So lemme get this straight... Bad guys are full of gelatin , and bullets won't go through them unless
they twist 7 times. Am I close?  |
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Posted: 12/15/2005 3:06:16 PM EDT
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Yup. Ballistic Gelatin is "scientific", where real world observations aren't, so they don't count. |
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Posted: 12/15/2005 3:10:16 PM EDT
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And do you know what started the jello mania?
Anybody? It's all because on April 11th, 1986 the first round of twenty 115 grain 9mm Winchester Silvertips fired by Gerald Dove from his 4" barreled S&W M459 that made it into Michael Platt came 1" shy of penetrating the wall of Platt's heart after passing through his upper arm. Platt went on to double tap Agent Dove in the head with a Ruger Mini-14 at close range. That's why, according to the FBI; 12" of penetration is good and 11.9" is bad. |
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Posted: 12/15/2005 3:10:51 PM EDT
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Who needs verifiable data when you can just use marketing hype and selected anecdotes instead?
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Posted: 12/15/2005 3:12:44 PM EDT
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Them are some good rounds! The lightning makes them go faster!!! |
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Posted: 12/15/2005 3:15:17 PM EDT
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Hell yes! Why else would REAL-DEAL 'agents' use them!?
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Posted: 12/15/2005 3:17:13 PM EDT
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I thought the chuck roast had to be at 98 degrees, but if it was only at 90 degrees the BMT won't "explode" like it did in the tango's ass over in Iraq
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Posted: 12/15/2005 3:19:52 PM EDT
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And bringing a pistol to a rifle fight is worse. |
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Posted: 12/15/2005 3:21:47 PM EDT
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No, I think you have it wrong:
Ballistic gelatin tests are useless because they test the reproduceable aspects of terminal performance in a controlled environment, allowing a fair comparison of all rounds. Real world shootings are the only true measure of terminal performance because they are completely random and have no statistical significance whatsoever. Anybody can say "well, round XXX once killed a guy and round YYY once didn't", which is much better than making statistically significant statements. 
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Posted: 12/15/2005 3:25:42 PM EDT
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You need extreme shock fangface ammo.
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Posted: 12/15/2005 3:26:15 PM EDT
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No, I'm with you. If I ever get jumped by a bowl of Jello or a tub of axle grease, then I'm going to want to know just how far my rounds will penetrate. |
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Posted: 12/15/2005 3:30:09 PM EDT
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One man was shot in the face with a 9mm and lived. Another guy was shot in the face with a .22 LR NAA revolver and died from his wound. The (city withheld) police department fired over 50 rounds of 9mm at a suspect, who escaped on foot with minor injuries. A homeowner with a .22 rifle confronted an armed intruder in his home and shot the intruder dead. Clearly the .22 LR is a superior round. 
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Posted: 12/15/2005 3:32:46 PM EDT
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In Cars, Cocks and Calibers, There's No Replacement for Displacement...
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Posted: 12/15/2005 3:33:44 PM EDT
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Yes of course, the .22LR has more "one shot stops" than anything else, due to "hydrostatic shock"
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Posted: 12/15/2005 3:39:10 PM EDT
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Clearly.
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Posted: 12/15/2005 3:44:19 PM EDT
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Those rounds are so extreme when you shoot them you exist in three places at once. And one of you is black. But not your hands. |
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Posted: 12/15/2005 3:47:32 PM EDT
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Heh, I was too awed by the ammo to even notice the Al Jolson impersonation back there. |
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Posted: 12/15/2005 4:28:56 PM EDT
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A NASA scientist by the name of Duncan MacPherson got the ball rolling. When he teamed up with Dr. Martin Fackler, the rest was history.
The IWBA made it EXPLICITLY clear in their handgun performance criteria that assigning arbitrary qualitative values of "12 inches = good, 11.9 inches = bad" was stupid and not in spirit with the purpose of ammunition testing. Hey guys, if you want to buy into Marshall & Sanow's one-shot-stop bullshit and do cartwheels over make-believe tests involving French goats, more power to ya. |
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