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Posted: 9/3/2004 5:24:58 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/3/2004 5:32:42 AM EST by mjrowley]
I have been reading about them a bit oner in URBAN COMMANDOS area.

Looks like the two best one are the Pioneer 8X DVD+RW/-RW Drive, Model DVR-107D

and the:

NEC 8X Black Dual Layer DVD+/-RW Drive, Model ND-2510A BLK

So what do you all think?
Link Posted: 9/3/2004 5:26:42 AM EST
Don't buy one now. Wait about 6 more months and buy a dual layer burner that works well. The ones out today still have some bugs.
Link Posted: 9/3/2004 5:40:24 AM EST
Why do you want to buy a dual-layer burner anyways, is there dual-layer media available at the moment? I haven't seen any at Fry's or CompUSA.
Link Posted: 9/3/2004 5:45:04 AM EST
There are no dual layered movies yet, but for data storage they are great. Double the standard DVD capacity.
I put one in a clients computer, we found it tough to find dual layer disks though so far. The NEC is a decent unit for the money.I highly recommend getting it from newegg.com
-Steve
Link Posted: 9/3/2004 5:46:47 AM EST
Plextor is by and far the best when it comes to optical devices. Dual layer is available now, however the discs are non existant or horribly expensive.

I use a Memorex 8x +/- R/RW and really enjoy it.
Link Posted: 9/3/2004 5:49:21 AM EST
fwiw

I saw the 2 layer dvd media for about 15-20 bucks each, double sided as well.
Link Posted: 9/3/2004 5:57:48 AM EST
I have an NEC 2510A that I bought last month and have been very pleased with. If you feel you will want to use dual layer, wait, or be prepared to buy another drive. I'm just happy with 4Gig storage burned in ~17 minutes and fairly inexpensive media.
Link Posted: 9/3/2004 6:12:39 AM EST

Originally Posted By warlord:
Why do you want to buy a dual-layer burner anyways, is there dual-layer media available at the moment? I haven't seen any at Fry's or CompUSA.



Dual Layer Media is available ow. However, it is priced very high.

In a year or two, the media will be dirt cheap and you will be able to use all 9gb.

Don't by a drive now that will be obsolete in 6 months.
Link Posted: 9/3/2004 6:35:35 AM EST
Link Posted: 9/3/2004 6:45:45 AM EST
LITE-ON 12X dvd-+R/RW

Do you really have 10GB of data that you cant seperate from one disc. If you dont, you probably dont need Dual Layer? I've yet to fill up a single DVD with anything other than a full "Back-up" of a DVD Movie.

Link Posted: 9/3/2004 9:36:55 AM EST

Originally Posted By Lightning_P38:
I have a single speed cd burner around here somewhere, I got a great deal on it, I paid $399. Sounds crazy but I bought it in 1996. Back then I remeber paying nearly ten bucks per disc, therese days you can get a 52X cdburner for well uner forty bucks and the blanks are a few cents each. Many peopel will tell you to wait a few months until something better comes out, then in six months they will be telling you to wait until the next best thing comes out, if I had waited until the price/feature/speed equations had come to an optimum point I would have finally gotten a cd burner in 2003. If you really want a dvd burner now, buy one of the less expensive NECs or Lite0-ons for under a hundred bucks, then once the dual layer discs have come down to a reasonable price buy a new burner, by the the prices of good dual layer burners will have probably dropped to the point where you have spent the same on both drives as you would spend on a top of the line drive and a small spindle of dual layer discs today, plus by then you want have to worry as much about finding good discs.





That sounds good to me. I want to be able to burn DVD's now. Not 6 months from now. I think I can eat the 80.00 ill spend now, if needed in a couple of years.
Link Posted: 9/3/2004 9:49:51 AM EST
Mjrowley,

I would recommend any of Plextor's drives. I personally use a PX-708 and recommend it to my clients. This drive is an 8x burner, Plextor now has a 12x out, PX-712. The 708 will run you about $114 (newegg.com, I second newegg.com, fast shipping, great service) including shipping, the 712 $126. I have used the sub $100 drives and in my opinion, the few extra bucks is worth it in the long run.
Link Posted: 9/3/2004 9:50:39 AM EST
I recommend picking up the 2510. Under $70 and works great.
Link Posted: 9/3/2004 10:04:54 AM EST
Buy an inexpensive one.

The cheap media (blank DVD's) is X4 right now.
A X12 burner is a waste for that reason alone.

The fact that dual layer burners are coming out makes the cheap one the better deal.
Media for dual layer burners is EXPENSIVE right now.

30 Pack Verbatim DL DVD+R (Dual Layer, Double Layer) Blank Media 8.5GB 2.4X in Jewel Case $372.00!!!

Are you planning on burning a 1,000 DVD collection anytime soon?
My X4 DVD burner does quite well, so what if I have to wait an extra 10 minutes to rip a DVD.
Link Posted: 9/3/2004 10:06:44 AM EST
What does dvd media go for now?
Link Posted: 9/3/2004 10:07:32 AM EST
Are cassettes obsolete?
Are VHS tapes obsolete?
Are floppy disks obsolete?
Are CD's obsolete?

DVD's are going to be around for many years to come.




Originally Posted By Q3131A:

Dual Layer Media is available ow. However, it is priced very high.

In a year or two, the media will be dirt cheap and you will be able to use all 9gb.

Don't by a drive now that will be obsolete in 6 months.

Link Posted: 9/3/2004 10:09:18 AM EST
I have seen X4 DVD media as cheap as 31 cents for a blank disk.
Ritek 4X DVD+R $0.44
ProDisc 4X DVD-R $0.34



Originally Posted By Red_Beard:
What does dvd media go for now?

Link Posted: 9/3/2004 10:10:27 AM EST
Link Posted: 9/3/2004 10:11:08 AM EST

Originally Posted By KA3B:
Are cassettes obsolete?
Are VHS tapes obsolete?
Are floppy disks obsolete?



for me, pretty much.



Are CD's obsolete?

no
Link Posted: 9/3/2004 10:12:15 AM EST
i bought a sony 8x double layer. the 8x dvd-rw's are pretty pricey still

dvd xcopy works great with it
Link Posted: 9/3/2004 12:38:06 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/3/2004 12:44:42 PM EST by kabal57]
All these guys are WRONG! (well not all but some)

Plextor used to be the pimp daddy of cdrw's, but they've been replaced.

I'f you're gonna buy one make it the NEC 2500 series or a Lite-On 800 series. (832, 851, etc)
Hands down 2 of the best burners available. Pioneer ranks a distant third.

read Here for more info.

*edit* alot of other drives are rebadged NEC or Lite-Ons, best to read some info on the different brands. Oh yeah, my Lite-On 851 4x burner is able to take the firmware for the 832 Dual Layer burner, making it a 8x dual layer burner.

I burn 4x Verbatim dvd's at 8x with no problems all the time.
Oh yeah, you're also gonna need Nero to burn with if you go the freeware route for ripping dvds.
Link Posted: 9/3/2004 12:48:25 PM EST

Originally Posted By chrism101:


Do you really have 10GB of data that you cant seperate from one disc. If you dont, you probably dont need Dual Layer? I've yet to fill up a single DVD with anything other than a full "Back-up" of a DVD Movie.






In a word, yes. Multitrack high definition digital audio burns up bytes at an unbelievable rate.(don't even mention "compression. Das ist verboten in audio production.)

I'm waiting patiently for prices to fall on those bad boys.
Link Posted: 9/3/2004 12:50:50 PM EST

Originally Posted By stevenb:
There are no dual layered movies yet,



Uh, what? Most movies out there are put onto 2 layers, thus the reason you can't get a 1-1 copy without software to shrink and re-encode the video.
Link Posted: 9/3/2004 12:55:19 PM EST

Originally Posted By Commish:
I recommend picking up the 2510. Under $70 and works great.



+1

I have one from Newegg & it works great
Link Posted: 9/3/2004 12:56:53 PM EST

Originally Posted By BigD:

Originally Posted By stevenb:
There are no dual layered movies yet,



Uh, what? Most movies out there are put onto 2 layers, thus the reason you can't get a 1-1 copy without software to shrink and re-encode the video.



true.

most movies are recorded onto dual-layer discs
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 6:45:37 PM EST
Well I think ill order the "NEC 2510"

Thanks for all the help.

Mike
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 6:50:01 PM EST

Originally Posted By beernut:

Originally Posted By BigD:

Originally Posted By stevenb:
There are no dual layered movies yet,



Uh, what? Most movies out there are put onto 2 layers, thus the reason you can't get a 1-1 copy without software to shrink and re-encode the video.



true.

most movies are recorded onto dual-layer discs



I put my dual layer movies onto two writable DVDs, no shrinking or loss of quality.
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 6:55:18 PM EST

Originally Posted By KA3B:
Daymn!!
HQ AZO 4X DVD-R $0.23

www.meritline.com/hq-4x-dvd-r-dvdr-blank-media-bulk.html



Is this stuff any good?
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 6:59:48 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 7:27:50 PM EST
i onw the 107d and it kicks ass. however i have used the 2510a in several other computers and it kicks ass too. either one will be fine. i would stick with ritek media and keep up with the firmware updates.
Link Posted: 10/3/2004 11:12:56 AM EST
Btt.

I dont want this info to die yet
Link Posted: 10/3/2004 12:18:27 PM EST
i have a plextor 712a very good
Link Posted: 10/3/2004 12:33:20 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/3/2004 12:35:07 PM EST by DJbump]
I have owned Plextors and Lite-Ons, and both work very well.

Plextors are more expensive but MAY last longer.

The Lite-On will do everything the Plex will do and for less money.

I would go Lite-On if I were you.
Link Posted: 10/3/2004 12:35:30 PM EST
Review of Dual Layer DVD Burner (Anandtech.com)

They also like the Pioneer DVR-108D.

Link Posted: 10/3/2004 2:27:49 PM EST
I just picked up a Liteon 8 series to replace the 4x I had , dirt cheap .
I have never gone wrong with a Liteon , no reason to change that now .
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 5:23:25 AM EST

I bought a LiteOn SOHW-1213S Dual Format from newegg. Came with Nero and PowerDVD software that kicks butt. I highly recommend LiteOn and Newegg. $79.00 + $5.00 shipping
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