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Posted: 6/27/2003 6:24:07 AM EDT
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The CZ-52 is a good choice if you've already got a Makarov. Of course, if you don't [b]get both[/b]!
Got a Webley yet?[img]http://www.potfire.com.au/plist/web38.jpg[/img] How many Enfields? Can't have too many - No.1, No.4, No.5, Tanker, Jungle Carbine... |
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Posted: 6/27/2003 6:50:02 AM EDT
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Sistema after you get a Mak
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Posted: 6/27/2003 7:29:41 AM EDT
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Behold! For my virginal C&R has been lured by the CZ-52 temptress for thrice a-fortnight! My will is weak...my wantonous loins caving to this cold, cruel seductress. The very notion that I might loose the unholy sweetness of 7.62X25 splendor from my grasp is a pleasure tantamount to quaffing the Nectar of Gods!
...The conquering of a high summit! ...The propagation of your Seed through fornication with wenches of distant lands! I fear I must submit to my desires, lest the strain deliver me into a dark madness... |
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Posted: 6/27/2003 7:31:33 AM EDT
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[LOLabove]
Looks like you need to get out more often too. |
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Posted: 6/27/2003 8:16:51 AM EDT
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I would go for the CZ-52 too. Plus I think the price has actually gone down for them.
Czech surplus ammo is available at "Cheaper Then Dirt". |
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Posted: 6/27/2003 8:36:12 AM EDT
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Get a Argie Colt Sistema. These are getting harder and harder to find and the supply is sporatic. I have two that I'll hold forever. Now I'm looking for an Argie Hartford which is even harder to locate.
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Posted: 6/27/2003 12:45:43 PM EDT
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I just bought a Sistema in excellent condition for 325.00 How that for a almost mint Colt 1911? Manuf. in 1927.
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Posted: 6/27/2003 2:05:14 PM EDT
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Wave, don't you have a M44 Mosin-Nagant? You need one of these to go with it.
M1895 Nagant gas seal revolver [img]http://www.a-human-right.com/RKBA/pistols/nagant.JPG[/img] Ammo is sort of a bitch ($$$$Fiocchi) but if you handload then no problem (use modified .32-20 brass). The Cz52 is the shizznit also. |
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Posted: 6/27/2003 2:44:23 PM EDT
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Rifle or pistol?
Rifle I would suggest these; Yugo SKS. really kewl grenade launcher and bayonet. Finnish M39, accurate as hell. Enfield, either No.1Mk3 or No.4Mk1 Any mauser can be nice and right now Yugos and CZs are easily available and cheap. For pistols; A Systema or a Ballester Molina. A Makarov, east german or russian Russian TT33 And my recent favorite, A Star Modello A (or B) super. A 1985 Nagant pistol is really neat but I wouldn't recommend it to a newbie collector. Ammo supply and that gawd awful double action trigger pull can be discouraging. One more note. If you do your own reloading get a copy of the 2002 Accurate Arms manual. The CZ52 loads they have developed are incredible. (How does 1500fps with a 110gr fmj sound to you?) |
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Posted: 6/27/2003 5:06:58 PM EDT
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Screw those guns!
Mine is going to be S&W 76![uzi] |
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Posted: 6/27/2003 5:14:05 PM EDT
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Quoted: Screw those guns! Mine is going to be S&W 76![uzi] $4K If I had an extra 4K that would not be my choice... |
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Posted: 6/27/2003 7:48:09 PM EDT
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If you don't have a Yugo SKS, I would buy one before they are gone. Price is right, and they are much more 'cool' than any of the other SKS's.
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Posted: 6/28/2003 5:41:58 AM EDT
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I'm hoping JLD will have some of these left when I finally have some money.
[img]http://www.jldenter.com/JLD%20Pistols%20Page_files/sistema.GIF[/img] |
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Posted: 6/28/2003 12:22:32 PM EDT
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Quoted: I'm hoping JLD will have some of these left when I finally have some money. [url]http://www.jldenter.com/JLD%20Pistols%20Page_files/sistema.GIF[/url] I just ordered one in excellent condition for 320.00 |
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Posted: 6/28/2003 12:48:50 PM EDT
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This is the basic shopping list for people with C&R's. All are must-haves IMHO. Also cheap!
Mosin Nagant: Revolver, M44 Carbine, and M1891(or 91/30) rifle (Add a scope to that, and its a tac driver). SKS: A Yugo, and maybe a albanian or russian one(or three). Enfield (any model, heck one of each) CZ52 Makarov Mauser (FAC(gunsnstuff.net) sells a nice ww2 mauser/nagant-1891 set) |
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Posted: 6/28/2003 12:53:24 PM EDT
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If you get the CZ-52, there's a guy on rec.guns who says that he's handloaded Hornady XTP's past 1700 FPS at sane pressures. Not that I'd want to try it though...
Also, be forewarned that the CZ-52 eats firing pins like candy. [url]www.makarov.com[/url] has a newer American made firing pin that doesn't break like the originals. |
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Posted: 6/28/2003 8:21:51 PM EDT
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systema.
[img]http://photos.ar15.com/ImageGallery/Attachments/DownloadAttach.asp?iImageUnq=13812[/img] |
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Posted: 6/29/2003 5:34:50 AM EDT
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Quoted: If you get the CZ-52, there's a guy on rec.guns who says that he's handloaded Hornady XTP's past 1700 FPS at sane pressures. Not that I'd want to try it though... Also, be forewarned that the CZ-52 eats firing pins like candy. [url]www.makarov.com[/url] has a newer American made firing pin that doesn't break like the originals. There's also a troll/crackmonkey on rec.guns (and gunboards.com, & ak47.net, etc, etc) who claims he has blown up several Cz52's with only a slight overlaod. Never seems to offer any pix as proof, just keeps spamming the same "Cz52's are bad, Tokarevs are good" message. The Cz52 firing pin is ok as long as you don't dry-fire it. I'm still on my original pin & have about a case+ thru her. |
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Posted: 6/29/2003 1:26:42 PM EDT
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Now I'm looking for an Argie Hartford which is even harder to locate. Well, you may be in luck. When I talked to Fred from LC Enterprises on the phone, he said they should have some excellent condition ones arriving in the next couple of months. Wave, after you get a CZ-52 be sure to give some thought to a Sistema if anyone has any left. These things are in incredible shape for the money. I shot mine for the first time at Bulletfest. Shoots good but I still need to take it out and punch some paper with it to check the accuracy. [img]http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0SgDYAiQW!Dkvwy910H5nHUrmSoa8XMOIHUHkpUVBLMFhbI3E2FW3KgTxaMY10Rco8!zZceyvN9j9E3jLxzwXhqE4cqzKY7dFuDIaA0bpEknQj3hEFXdrbg/Right%20Side.JPG?dc=4675427029573398280[/img] Edited to add: I got my black CZ from SOG. My brothers came from AIM Surplus and is grey. Seems like the ones coming from AIM are the grey finish and most do not appear to have been re-arsenaled. Mine has the re-arsenal stamp but my brothers does not. After comparing ours, side by side, my bro and I agree that the black looks better. Hope this helps. |
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