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Posted: 9/4/2008 5:03:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/4/2008 7:20:30 PM EDT by Searcherfortruth]
I am going to move to Alaska, and I still have one lower left unbuilt. With that in mind I was wondering what caliber made for an AR would be the best for carrying around up there.

I have 3 in 5.56 but I know this is no bear/moose medicine, so what would be the best currently made caliber upper for an AR platform, and do I need special mags or a different lower to use it?

Link Posted: 9/4/2008 5:03:47 PM EDT
.50 BMG
Link Posted: 9/4/2008 5:03:58 PM EDT
M1-A
Link Posted: 9/4/2008 5:04:26 PM EDT
.308, if you planning on hunting with it.  .458 upper would be an ideal bear gun.
Link Posted: 9/4/2008 5:04:32 PM EDT
50 BMG
Link Posted: 9/4/2008 5:05:45 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/4/2008 5:09:43 PM EDT by DD977GM2]
6.8mm SPC


ETA: Uses the same lower as a 5.56 FTW
Link Posted: 9/4/2008 5:06:43 PM EDT
308

Best combination of power and ammo availability.

Yes, you will need a different lower.
Link Posted: 9/4/2008 5:08:38 PM EDT
im gonna guess .458 might be good enough for a bear, but I dont really know.

paging Old_Painless....Bear-of-Truth?
Link Posted: 9/4/2008 5:10:43 PM EDT
Using the AR15 lower you have...

6.8SPC

bigbores;
.50 Beowulf
.450 BM

I know Im missing some other bigbores.....
Link Posted: 9/4/2008 5:11:51 PM EDT
.950 JDJ


Link Posted: 9/4/2008 5:12:43 PM EDT
the one you have that is attached to a lower that has a magazine of cartridges installed.
Link Posted: 9/4/2008 5:13:27 PM EDT
LaRue Tactical DMR-16
Link Posted: 9/4/2008 5:16:22 PM EDT
I think I would only walk around Alaska with a .45 on my hip and an M1 Garand slung over my shoulder. If a bear is going to try and eat me, that fucker's going to have to work for it!
Link Posted: 9/4/2008 5:17:52 PM EDT

Originally Posted By southpaw67:
Using the AR15 lower you have...

6.8SPC

bigbores;
.50 Beowulf
.450 BM

I know Im missing some other bigbores.....

plus one
Link Posted: 9/4/2008 5:19:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/4/2008 5:24:15 PM EDT by ultramagbrion]
A Beowulf 50 ........and forget about it for moose

Get a 45/70........they're as common up there as 270s are here.



ETA...........Id get a 6.8 if I had a 45/70 already . I wouldnt go into those woods without something that would stop a grizzly........and I dont think a Beo would. So get something you would actually have some fun with .
Link Posted: 9/4/2008 5:21:38 PM EDT

Originally Posted By southpaw67:
Using the AR15 lower you have...

6.8SPC

bigbores;
.50 Beowulf
.450 BM

I know Im missing some other bigbores.....
Link Posted: 9/4/2008 5:22:38 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/4/2008 5:34:26 PM EDT by fish223]
.50 beo

standard AR mags, 3000 ftlbs at the muzzle with the 334gr SP, decent ammo availability, easy to reload if you are so inclined, loads of fun, and pretty accurate out past 100 easy (as far as I have shot mine)

I doubt there is any north american game that wouldn't have his day ruined by the .50 beo

Link Posted: 9/4/2008 5:26:02 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/4/2008 5:27:46 PM EDT

Originally Posted By fish223:

I doubt there is any north american game that wouldn't have his day ruined by the .50 beo



this guy might disagree with that

Link Posted: 9/4/2008 5:29:32 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ultramagbrion:
A Beowulf 50 ........and forget about it for moose

Get a 45/70........they're as common up there as 270s are here.



ETA...........Id get a 6.8 if I had a 45/70 already . I wouldnt go into those woods without something that would stop a grizzly........and I dont think a Beo would. So get something you would actually have some fun with .


I have a .375 H&H mag, but it's pretty clunky, and slow compaired to a semi auto. I am used to my AR and the ammo is much cheeper to practice with, so having an AR in a suitable caliber for carrying in the wilds of Alaska appeals to me. Since I have an unbuilt lower it just seems smart to do it in a caliber better than 5.56 for that reason.
Link Posted: 9/4/2008 5:30:33 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/4/2008 5:32:20 PM EDT by Paveway_]
I'd like a 458 - can use same mags as your 556 guns.

Still it seems like it would be tough to handle the bullet drop of the round at some of the extreme open ranges you may find yourself in.  

AR-10 18" middy might be nice more multi-role weapon.
Link Posted: 9/4/2008 5:30:40 PM EDT
for an AR lower that you already have, go with 6.8SPC.  Lots of loading options out there, and a lot of thump to be had for a relatively small round.  I love my 6.8
Link Posted: 9/4/2008 5:31:57 PM EDT
Ask Sarah!
Link Posted: 9/4/2008 5:34:15 PM EDT
probably the 6.5 or 6.8 if you don't want to go with a .50 beauwolf...or whatever the .50 is called that you can fit into a standard AR lower
Link Posted: 9/4/2008 5:35:16 PM EDT
6.8SPC or .458 SOCOM
Link Posted: 9/4/2008 5:35:47 PM EDT
.50 Beowulf.

Link Posted: 9/4/2008 5:36:12 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/4/2008 5:36:53 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Searcherfortruth:

Originally Posted By ultramagbrion:
A Beowulf 50 ........and forget about it for moose

Get a 45/70........they're as common up there as 270s are here.



ETA...........Id get a 6.8 if I had a 45/70 already . I wouldnt go into those woods without something that would stop a grizzly........and I dont think a Beo would. So get something you would actually have some fun with .


I have a .375 H&H mag, but it's pretty clunky, and slow compaired to a semi auto. I am used to my AR and the ammo is much cheeper to practice with, so having an AR in a suitable caliber for carrying in the wilds of Alaska appeals to me. Since I have an unbuilt lower it just seems smart to do it in a caliber better than 5.56 for that reason.


Then go with the 50 Beowulf .........its a 500 Smith on steroids . I shot a couple deer with mine in Michigan (neither were very big) and it worked fine. Probably fine for brown bear too.

Myself, I wouldnt go into those woods up there without my 45/70 Marlin.....but thats just me. YMMV




Little meat I snagged with my Beo50

Link Posted: 9/4/2008 5:40:41 PM EDT
Pffffttt...5.56mm will do the job.

Shot placement, bitches!
Link Posted: 9/4/2008 5:41:13 PM EDT

Originally Posted By digger658:
Ask Sarah!



+1
Link Posted: 9/4/2008 5:41:28 PM EDT
You wouldn't want to go out in the Woods there with anything less than a .308.


Gas piston all the way.


Full size rifle with a 20" barrel. There aint a lot of urban SHTF there to contend with.


Link Posted: 9/4/2008 5:42:21 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DD977GM2:

Originally Posted By digger658:
Ask Sarah!



+1


Shes prolly an R.U.M. shooter
Link Posted: 9/4/2008 5:42:59 PM EDT

Originally Posted By raven:
.308, if you planning on hunting with it.  .458 upper would be an ideal bear gun.


this.
Link Posted: 9/4/2008 5:44:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/4/2008 5:46:54 PM EDT by fish223]

Originally Posted By ultramagbrion:
A Beowulf 50 ........and forget about it for moose

Get a 45/70.....



seems like the 50 equals or out-performs the 45-70 across the board.  educate me why the 45-70 is considered better, I have never hunted big or dangerous game.

www.cpcartridge.com/45-70marlin-B.htm

www.alexanderarms.com/beowulf_ballistics.pdf
Link Posted: 9/4/2008 5:44:44 PM EDT
What about a 300 SAUM on an AR 10 platform?
Link Posted: 9/4/2008 5:44:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/4/2008 5:49:24 PM EDT by The_Emu]
Will you be hunting with this, or using it for defence against predators?

There's a big difference between what is enough gun if your on the offensive and have time to make careful shot placement.   When its "oh shit, he's coming right for me"  id want something much bigger.

I've carried my SBS 870 on overnight hikes and felt quite comfortable.  And I mean carried, not slung.

I know a lot of people who hunt caribou with .223.  I think its not quite enough.  I'll me using my M1a this winter.  Moose have a tendency to run into the biggest pond/lake/swamp around when shot.  I'll be trying to shot my first moose with something that will drop it in its tracks, 300 magnum or better.   They don't call them "swamp donkey" for nothing.
Link Posted: 9/4/2008 5:48:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/4/2008 5:55:01 PM EDT by ultramagbrion]

Originally Posted By fish223:

Originally Posted By ultramagbrion:
A Beowulf 50 ........and forget about it for moose

Get a 45/70.....



seems like the 50 equals or out-performs the 45-70 across the board.  educate me why the 45-70 is considered better, I have never hunted big or dangerous game.

www.cpcartridge.com/45-70marlin-B.htm

www.alexanderarms.com/beowulf_ballistics.pdf



I just compared the 100 yd specs on the 400 grs and I saw the edge going to the 45/70.........what were you comparring?
And the Beo specs were through a 24" barrel.........I didnt see what legth the 45/70 was.


ETA............Ive no experience with big or dangerous game either
Link Posted: 9/4/2008 5:54:23 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/4/2008 5:54:55 PM EDT by AlaskaJohn]

Originally Posted By Searcherfortruth:
I am going to move to Alaska, and I still have one lower left unbuilt. With that in mind I was wondering what caliber made for an AR would be the best for carrying around up there.

I have 3 in 5.56 but I know this is no bear/moose medicine, so what would be the best currently made caliber upper for an AR platform, and do I need special mags or a different lower to use it?



Alaska is a big state, where will you be moving to?

eta: Way bigger than Texas.
Link Posted: 9/4/2008 6:00:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/4/2008 6:11:02 PM EDT by ultramagbrion]
Food for thought

L-R 223,  308,  300SAUM, 50 BEO , 45/70 , 338 WinMag , 300RUM,  30-378 Weatherby Mag  ,458 WinMag

Link Posted: 9/4/2008 6:24:31 PM EDT
You guys can trust an ar as far as you want, I have owned a 50 Beo and do own a 458 Socom and I will carry a Guide Gun everytime.
Link Posted: 9/4/2008 6:25:41 PM EDT
.458 socom with 16" pipe
Link Posted: 9/4/2008 6:32:21 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DD977GM2:

Originally Posted By digger658:
Ask Sarah!



+1


+1


Just ask:  WWSD?
Link Posted: 9/4/2008 7:02:38 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/4/2008 8:25:49 PM EDT by RoverG79]
I would consider the following






Glock 20
Link Posted: 9/4/2008 7:08:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/4/2008 7:13:50 PM EDT by Searcherfortruth]

Originally Posted By AlaskaJohn:

Originally Posted By Searcherfortruth:
I am going to move to Alaska, and I still have one lower left unbuilt. With that in mind I was wondering what caliber made for an AR would be the best for carrying around up there.

I have 3 in 5.56 but I know this is no bear/moose medicine, so what would be the best currently made caliber upper for an AR platform, and do I need special mags or a different lower to use it?



Alaska is a big state, where will you be moving to?

eta: Way bigger than Texas.


You won't offend me talking about Texas's size, LOL! I am planning to move to Anchorage or maybe Seward. I am currently a sheriffs officer here in Texas, and I would like to do something along those lines for a living up there.

It will be just my son and I provided the court says I can move, but I really don't see why they wouldn't as his mom sees him about 2 times a yr on average. She once went 51 weeks without a visit or a phone call!

Anyway, it has always been my dream to live with elbow room so I have to give it a shot.

I always have wanted an AR10, but I do have this lower to finish, and I should figure it out before I move not after. I would imagine shipping will cost more once I am moved.

I do have a Weatherby Alaskan in .375 H&H mag as well, I was just wanting to get the last AR lower I have done in an appropiate caliber for the area I want to use it.

I read an article in outdoor life a long time ago about a guy who watced an native from Alaska use a Ruger mimi 14 in .223 to drop a running grizzly with 3 shots for eating, like it was no big deal. I don't want to risk just having a .223/5.56 to use for such an event!

I also have a Remmy 870 that I can carry if needs be, I just want to make my lower into a worthy enough caliber to carry if I feel like it.




Link Posted: 9/4/2008 7:10:01 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/4/2008 7:12:03 PM EDT by AngeredKabar]
Probably a big bore like a .458 .50 Beowulf or a .450 Bushmaster*

*is this correct?

ETA:

But for everyday Alaska carry, I'd probably be happy with a .45-70 lever gun.  YMMV
Link Posted: 9/4/2008 7:10:45 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/4/2008 7:13:00 PM EDT by Cold]
Link Posted: 9/4/2008 7:15:06 PM EDT
6.5 Grendel

.450 Bushmaster

.50 Beowulf

If I were you a CMP Garand might be a good bet, plus the history...

.45-110???
Link Posted: 9/4/2008 7:15:44 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Cold:

Originally Posted By raven:
.308, if you planning on hunting with it.  .458 upper would be an ideal bear gun.


This man speaks the truth.

If not in an AR, I would take an H&H Double in 375 H&H, one world one round.  Classics for a classic animal. Since money is no object in these kind of threads of course.


I don't have a dbl, but this holds a few rounds!

Link Posted: 9/4/2008 7:19:09 PM EDT
HK416
Link Posted: 9/4/2008 7:24:42 PM EDT
In the woods I carry a 12, in anchorage, the AR so 5.56 for me.


IF I was going to go big bore it would be .458.  Projectile choice is a big factor.
Link Posted: 9/4/2008 7:24:57 PM EDT
You are going to love Ak. They are some tough people up there. The scenery is like being on another planet.
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