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Posted: 11/21/2014 9:15:22 AM EDT
My signal battalion commander has decided that even vaporizers without nicotine are "tobacco products."

*sigh*

I guess I get to go outside every 55 minutes for five minutes now, instead of taking a couple drags while at my desk, then immediately returning to work.
Link Posted: 11/23/2014 5:31:53 PM EDT
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Bullshit.

Do the dippers go outside as well? Never had to in my unit (s)

BTW, has the .mil taken any general stance on vaping?
Link Posted: 11/24/2014 9:55:33 AM EDT
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The Army has reiterated a policy they put into place back in 2007 without anyone knowing, classifying e-cigarettes and vaporizers as "tobacco products".

It doesn't surprise anyone, we all knew it was a matter of time before we were told "no vaping in the building."

Ladies and Gentlemen,

I apologize if some of you are double-tapped by this email, but I'm erring on the side of ensuring word is well propagated....RNEC and NEC Directors, please distribute to everyone within your NEC and workspaces.  Mr. {REDACTED} sent this email out approximately 6 weeks ago, but I continue to receive many complaints across the brigade.  Please be respectful and disciplined in the workplace.  Tobacco use of any kind, to include e-cigarettes, is prohibited. Please re-read and adhere to the policy below:

Army Regulation (AR) 600-63, Army Health Promotion, paragraph 7-3a, 7 Sept
2010 (RAR), states: "Tobacco use is prohibited in all DA-occupied workplaces except for designated smoking areas, as authorized by Department of Defense Instruction 1010.15, Smoke-Free DoD Facilities. The workplace includes any area inside a building or facility over which DA has custody and control, and where work is performed by military personnel, civilians, or persons under contract to the Army."

To be clear, this restriction applies to Soldiers, DA civilians and contractors.

Leaders at all levels must be aware of Army policy on smokeless tobacco in the workplace and enforce the standard. Many do not interpret AR 600-63 as applying to smokeless tobacco. Smokeless tobacco, also called spit tobacco, chewing tobacco, chew, chaw, dip, or plug, comes in two forms, snuff and chewing tobacco.

The use of any form of tobacco can only be in designated smoking areas. AR 600-63, paragraph 7-3 A. (2) states, the designated smoking area will be at least 50 feet from common points of entrance and exit to a building.

Also, TRADOC Reg 350-6, Enlisted Initial Entry Training (IET) Policies and Administration, paragraph 2-11a, 8 MAY 2007, states: "All cadre and Soldiers with permanent party privileges are prohibited from using tobacco products in areas where IET Soldiers are likely to observe use."

Leaders have a duty to correct any violation of a standard. When they don't, they have just created a new standard. Soldiers look to their leaders to set the example. Leaders do the right thing. Uphold and enforce all standards in and outside the workplace.

Lastly, "Failure to observe written regulations, orders, rules, or procedures" is a specifically listed offense in the Table of Penalties for Various Offenses in the Management-Employee Relations Program.

http://cpol.army.mil/library/permiss/5a111.html
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The email he's referencing is AR 600-63, and doesn't actually define tobacco products, aside from this:
to include cigarettes, cigars, cigarillos, smokeless tobacco, inhaled tobacco, and all other tobacco products designed for human consumption
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However, they think they have a sticking point with some file called "SGR50-chap14-1.pdf" which has a table showing the "DoD policies and regulatory mandates" and states:
No tobacco product in any workplace buildings, any internal “spaces,” DoD vehicles, aircraft, or naval vessels. This includes
e-cigarettes and all new and emergent tobacco products.
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It cites the following sources:
Source: U.S. Department of Defense 2003, 2005a,b; U.S. Air Force 2004, 2009, 2012a,b; U.S. Navy 2008; 41 Code of Federal
Regulations, Part 102-74, 2011.
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Most of which don't have anything to do with actually smoking, just consuming Tobacco products.


What really pisses me off is that a vaporizer isn't a tobacco product. It is as much a tobacco product as mountain dew is a coffee product. ETA: But I'm not gonna risk my job to fight it. lol.
Link Posted: 11/24/2014 9:59:59 AM EDT
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The company I work for has decided there will be no tobacco products anywhere on company property starting Jan 1st.  This includes dip and vaporizers.

Link Posted: 11/24/2014 10:17:35 AM EDT
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The company I work for has decided there will be no tobacco products anywhere on company property starting Jan 1st.  This includes dip and vaporizers.

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Woah. Isn't that illegal for them to do if you keep it in your car?
Link Posted: 11/24/2014 10:39:42 AM EDT
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Bullshit.

Do the dippers go outside as well? Never had to in my unit (s)

BTW, has the .mil taken any general stance on vaping?
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I took over a site a few months ago and had to research the subject  

If you are in the Dept of Navy, technically yes on DoN owned or rented property you not suppose to dip inside

Ecigs on the other hand; the policy is under revision to include them as tabaco products to remove any ambiguity.  Because the Navy interpretation is since the FDA lists them as taboco products they can limit their usage but the Marine Corps did not
Link Posted: 11/24/2014 11:39:26 AM EDT
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Woah. Isn't that illegal for them to do if you keep it in your car?
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The company I work for has decided there will be no tobacco products anywhere on company property starting Jan 1st.  This includes dip and vaporizers.



Woah. Isn't that illegal for them to do if you keep it in your car?


Got me.  But if their rules say nowhere on their property, then that also applies to the parking lot.
Link Posted: 11/24/2014 1:15:23 PM EDT
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My work does not allow them either, classified same as a tobacco product. I have no problem going outside and using my vape, I do the same thing everywhere else but home.
Link Posted: 11/24/2014 3:42:36 PM EDT
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Got me.  But if their rules say nowhere on their property, then that also applies to the parking lot.
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The company I work for has decided there will be no tobacco products anywhere on company property starting Jan 1st.  This includes dip and vaporizers.



Woah. Isn't that illegal for them to do if you keep it in your car?


Got me.  But if their rules say nowhere on their property, then that also applies to the parking lot.


My company is on the edge of doing the same, all because people don't have the decency to put their cigarette butts in the provided containers.
Link Posted: 11/24/2014 4:12:18 PM EDT
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Same here.
Link Posted: 11/25/2014 6:02:55 PM EDT
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I just pop into the toilet for a few minutes
Link Posted: 11/26/2014 9:10:16 AM EDT
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I always take a couple rips while I'm shovelling mud. About 1/2 the time I'll take a rip or two when I'm recycling coffee. Unfortunately, I think this is going to become the norm here.
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