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Posted: 7/18/2013 2:40:49 PM EST
I stopped in to my LGS on the way home from work today. They called earlier in the day and notified me that my transfer had arrived, a new stripped Spike's spider lower. So I arrive all excited to get my hands on the start of my new build. I meet "Gunnar" at the counter and let him know I'm there to pick up my transfer. He says "great, you just need to fill this out, and I need to see your drivers license and your permit." "What permit?" I reply. "Either one, your conceal carry or permit to purchase," Gunnar replies. "But it's not a pistol. I still need a permit to purchase a lower?" I ask. Gunnar tells me that because it's a reciever it requires a permit to acquire. Great. My conceal carry is lapsed and I don't have a current permit to purchase. I didn't realize I needed a permit to purchase for a stripped lower. What an idiot. Thankfully, Gunnar said they would hold it until I got the permit. I'm filling out the application right now, to bring in tomorrow.

TL;DR -- didnt know I needed a permit to purchase a stripped lower. Left LGS empty handed. Feel stupid.

I await your ridicule.
Link Posted: 7/18/2013 2:41:56 PM EST
Link Posted: 7/18/2013 2:42:14 PM EST
[Last Edit: 7/18/2013 2:43:04 PM EST by Enlightenme556]
You don't need a permit.

Eta
Maybe my sarcasm meter needs re-calibrating.
Link Posted: 7/18/2013 2:42:58 PM EST
You can't just fill out a 4473 and have them run the NICS?

What is a license to purchase? Some MN bullshit?
Link Posted: 7/18/2013 2:43:31 PM EST
Must be a state thing.

I can buy lowers here no problem without a permit.
Link Posted: 7/18/2013 2:43:54 PM EST
There's a reason you feel stupid.

Go with your gut.
Link Posted: 7/18/2013 2:44:16 PM EST
Originally Posted By Helium:
I stopped in to my LGS on the way home from work today. They called earlier in the day and notified me that my transfer had arrived, a new stripped Spike's spider lower. So I arrive all excited to get my hands on the start of my new build. I meet "Gunnar" at the counter and let him know I'm there to pick up my transfer. He says "great, you just need to fill this out, and I need to see your drivers license and your permit." "What permit?" I reply. "Either one, your conceal carry or permit to purchase," Gunnar replies. "But it's not a pistol. I still need a permit to purchase a lower?" I ask. Gunnar tells me that because it's a reciever it requires a permit to acquire. Great. My conceal carry is lapsed and I don't have a current permit to purchase. I didn't realize I needed a permit to purchase for a stripped lower. What an idiot. Thankfully, Gunnar said they would hold it until I got the permit. I'm filling out the application right now, to bring in tomorrow.

TL;DR -- didnt know I needed a permit to purchase a stripped lower. Left LGS empty handed. Feel stupid.

I await your ridicule.
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Dude, you don't need a permit for a lower, unless you are registering it as a pistol. Unless there is a very strange state law about it, "Gunnar" is wrong.
Link Posted: 7/18/2013 2:44:46 PM EST
Whats this permit you speak of?
Link Posted: 7/18/2013 2:44:56 PM EST
A permit to purchase?

That's funny.

Link Posted: 7/18/2013 2:45:49 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Peengwin:
You can't just fill out a 4473 and have them run the NICS?

What is a license to purchase? Some MN bullshit?
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Yes, it's more Minnesota bullshit. You need a "permit to acquire" to purchase a pistol, but nothing for a shotgun or a rifle.
Link Posted: 7/18/2013 2:45:49 PM EST
The only issue I know of is you can't buy them under 21 cause they're not a long gun.
Link Posted: 7/18/2013 2:46:52 PM EST
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A permit to purchase?

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Yep. 4473 and about 5 minutes was all I needed for the last two I ordered from AIM.
Link Posted: 7/18/2013 2:47:58 PM EST
[Last Edit: 7/18/2013 2:49:12 PM EST by WVHunter1s1k]
I heard of the Ill. FOID Card, but, not for other states. & tax stamp for a pistol lower.
Link Posted: 7/18/2013 2:48:12 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Peengwin:
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looks like it is some bs because its a permit to purchase required to transfer/purchase "military-style assault weapons" and handguns through FFL dealers.
gunlaws
Link Posted: 7/18/2013 2:48:15 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Helium:


Yes, it's more Minnesota bullshit. You need a "permit to acquire" to purchase a pistol, but nothing for a shotgun or a rifle.
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Originally Posted By Helium:
Originally Posted By Peengwin:
You can't just fill out a 4473 and have them run the NICS?

What is a license to purchase? Some MN bullshit?


Yes, it's more Minnesota bullshit. You need a "permit to acquire" to purchase a pistol, but nothing for a shotgun or a rifle.


A lower is not a pistol. Guy is still wrong. guess not.
Link Posted: 7/18/2013 2:48:39 PM EST
[Last Edit: 7/18/2013 2:52:48 PM EST by jim2024bob]
Here in NC as in MN you have to have a permit to purchase a pistol. This is purchased through your local sheriffs department.
Link Posted: 7/18/2013 2:50:15 PM EST
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Originally Posted By orion251:


Yep. 4473 and about 5 minutes was all I needed for the last two I ordered from AIM.
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Originally Posted By aquaman67:
A permit to purchase?

That's funny.



Yep. 4473 and about 5 minutes was all I needed for the last two I ordered from AIM.



Yeah, this one came from AIM as well. I was told that MN requires this permit because the state doesn't know what it will be, a pistol or a rifle and therefore they treat it as a pistol!?!
Link Posted: 7/18/2013 2:50:57 PM EST
I once stopped at a gun store in IL and they asked for my permit so I could hold the gun. I told him I'm not sure what permit so I gave him my MI CPL. He treated me like a brother after that. You need to get your concealed permit. They treat you like royalty in the communist states.

Link Posted: 7/18/2013 3:00:09 PM EST
Yeah, time to go get my concealed carry again. Never should have let it lapse.
Link Posted: 7/18/2013 3:02:45 PM EST
Originally Posted By Helium:
I stopped in to my LGS on the way home from work today. They called earlier in the day and notified me that my transfer had arrived, a new stripped Spike's spider lower. So I arrive all excited to get my hands on the start of my new build. I meet "Gunnar" at the counter and let him know I'm there to pick up my transfer. He says "great, you just need to fill this out, and I need to see your drivers license and your permit." "What permit?" I reply. "Either one, your conceal carry or permit to purchase," Gunnar replies. "But it's not a pistol. I still need a permit to purchase a lower?" I ask. Gunnar tells me that because it's a reciever it requires a permit to acquire. Great. My conceal carry is lapsed and I don't have a current permit to purchase. I didn't realize I needed a permit to purchase for a stripped lower. What an idiot. Thankfully, Gunnar said they would hold it until I got the permit. I'm filling out the application right now, to bring in tomorrow.

TL;DR -- didnt know I needed a permit to purchase a stripped lower. Left LGS empty handed. Feel stupid.

I await your ridicule.
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no ridicule. in terms of law, the receiver is the firearm. everything else is just parts.
Link Posted: 7/18/2013 3:04:21 PM EST
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Question already answered.
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Originally Posted By Helium:
Yeah, time to go get my concealed carry again. Never should have let it lapse.
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Link Posted: 7/18/2013 3:10:09 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Enlightenme556:


A lower is not a pistol. Guy is still wrong. guess not.
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Originally Posted By Enlightenme556:
Originally Posted By Helium:
Originally Posted By Peengwin:
You can't just fill out a 4473 and have them run the NICS?

What is a license to purchase? Some MN bullshit?


Yes, it's more Minnesota bullshit. You need a "permit to acquire" to purchase a pistol, but nothing for a shotgun or a rifle.


A lower is not a pistol. Guy is still wrong. guess not.



A lower is 'Other'. Can be assembled into a rifle or pistol.
Link Posted: 7/18/2013 3:13:51 PM EST
Originally Posted By Helium:

TL;DR -- didnt know I needed a permit to purchase a stripped lower. Left LGS empty handed. Feel stupid.

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You're not stupid, the law is. We have a 'permit to purchase a pistol' thing in MI if you don't have a CPL, but I don't think it extends to lower receivers.
Link Posted: 7/18/2013 3:17:17 PM EST
"shall not be infringed"



Link Posted: 7/18/2013 3:22:37 PM EST
Sounds like de-facto assault weapon registration. What a load of shit.
Link Posted: 7/18/2013 3:23:23 PM EST
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Yeah, this one came from AIM as well. I was told that MN requires this permit because the state doesn't know what it will be, a pistol or a rifle and therefore they treat it as a pistol!?!
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Originally Posted By Helium:
Originally Posted By orion251:
Originally Posted By aquaman67:
A permit to purchase?

That's funny.



Yep. 4473 and about 5 minutes was all I needed for the last two I ordered from AIM.



Yeah, this one came from AIM as well. I was told that MN requires this permit because the state doesn't know what it will be, a pistol or a rifle and therefore they treat it as a pistol!?!


Buy a stock and buffer tube from the LGS and put them on it. Have them transfer it as a rifle.
Link Posted: 7/18/2013 3:23:37 PM EST
In OP's state, no permit to purchase a LONG GUN. A lower is NOT a long gun. Just like you can not buy a lower OTC out of state, but you can buy a rifle.
Link Posted: 7/18/2013 3:26:28 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Peengwin:
You can't just fill out a 4473 and have them run the NICS?

What is a license to purchase? Some MN bullshit?
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I don't think it is a requirement of the state, but it is pretty much the norm around here for "assault" rifles. Some places will sell you hunting style rifles, shotguns and bolt actions, etc. without a permit, but most places are requiring a permit in order to purchase from them.
Link Posted: 7/18/2013 3:27:01 PM EST
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Originally Posted By orion251:


Buy a stock and buffer tube from the LGS and put them on it. Have them transfer it as a rifle.
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Originally Posted By orion251:
Originally Posted By Helium:
Originally Posted By orion251:
Originally Posted By aquaman67:
A permit to purchase?

That's funny.



Yep. 4473 and about 5 minutes was all I needed for the last two I ordered from AIM.



Yeah, this one came from AIM as well. I was told that MN requires this permit because the state doesn't know what it will be, a pistol or a rifle and therefore they treat it as a pistol!?!


Buy a stock and buffer tube from the LGS and put them on it. Have them transfer it as a rifle.


Nope again. Ruling from our ATF overloards changed several years ago. It must be assembled into a rifle, not just have a stock put on it.

You can buy a stocked lower and it is still listed as "other" these days.
Link Posted: 7/18/2013 3:29:37 PM EST
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Originally Posted By ar2de:


Nope again. Ruling from our ATF overloards changed several years ago. It must be assembled into a rifle, not just have a stock put on it.

You can buy a stocked lower and it is still listed as "other" these days.
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Originally Posted By ar2de:
Originally Posted By orion251:
Originally Posted By Helium:
Originally Posted By orion251:
Originally Posted By aquaman67:
A permit to purchase?

That's funny.



Yep. 4473 and about 5 minutes was all I needed for the last two I ordered from AIM.



Yeah, this one came from AIM as well. I was told that MN requires this permit because the state doesn't know what it will be, a pistol or a rifle and therefore they treat it as a pistol!?!


Buy a stock and buffer tube from the LGS and put them on it. Have them transfer it as a rifle.


Nope again. Ruling from our ATF overloards changed several years ago. It must be assembled into a rifle, not just have a stock put on it.

You can buy a stocked lower and it is still listed as "other" these days.


I stand corrected. Thanks for the info.
Link Posted: 7/18/2013 3:31:10 PM EST
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Buy a stock and buffer tube from the LGS and put them on it. Have them transfer it as a rifle.
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Originally Posted By orion251:
Buy a stock and buffer tube from the LGS and put them on it. Have them transfer it as a rifle.


Won't work. Minnesota law quoted below (emphasis added by me):

Permit to purchase required to transfer/purchase "military-style assault weapons" and handguns through FFL dealers. A permit to carry also acts as a permit to purchase for Minnesota residents. Traditional rifles and shotguns may be purchased without a permit. A permit not is required for private transfers between individuals
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Link Posted: 7/18/2013 3:34:49 PM EST
Link Posted: 7/18/2013 3:37:48 PM EST
you need a permit to purchase a lower ? (points and laughs)

then again im in CA
Link Posted: 7/18/2013 3:48:13 PM EST
Link Posted: 7/18/2013 3:51:11 PM EST
What's a permit to purchase? Why haven't you guys repealed that nonsense yet?
Link Posted: 7/18/2013 3:51:12 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Helium:


Yes, it's more Minnesota bullshit. You need a "permit to acquire" to purchase a pistol, but nothing for a shotgun or a rifle.
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Originally Posted By Helium:
Originally Posted By Peengwin:
You can't just fill out a 4473 and have them run the NICS?

What is a license to purchase? Some MN bullshit?


Yes, it's more Minnesota bullshit. You need a "permit to acquire" to purchase a pistol, but nothing for a shotgun or a rifle.

I bet the law says that anything other than a bona fide long gun needs a purchase permit.

Stripped lowers aren't long guns, hence the permit.

I do find this, however, on the MN DPS web site...
If you want to make a one-time purchase of a handgun from a dealer and you do not have a permit to purchase, you may apply directly at the gun shop where you will purchase the handgun. The gun shop will require you to complete a consent form that allows them to conduct a name and date-of-birth background check to determine your eligibility to purchase a gun. The gun shops are entitled to charge a fee for this service.


And reading further, I can't find anything in MN statutes that says that anything other than a pistol or "assault weapon" requires a transfer permit. there may be some regulation involved, but I can't find the code cite.

Pistol is defined as
Pistol.

"Pistol" includes a weapon designed to be fired by the use of a single hand and with an overall length less than 26 inches, or having a barrel or barrels of a length less than 18 inches in the case of a shotgun or having a barrel of a length less than 16 inches in the case of a rifle (1) from which may be fired or ejected one or more solid projectiles by means of a cartridge or shell or by the action of an explosive or the igniting of flammable or explosive substances; or (2) for which the propelling force is a spring, elastic band, carbon dioxide, air or other gas, or vapor.


I then find this gem:
624.711 DECLARATION OF POLICY.

It is not the intent of the legislature to regulate shotguns, rifles and other longguns of the type commonly used for hunting and not defined as pistols or semiautomatic military-style assault weapons, or to place costs of administration upon those citizens who wish to possess or carry pistols or semiautomatic military-style assault weapons lawfully, or to confiscate or otherwise restrict the use of pistols or semiautomatic military-style assault weapons by law-abiding citizens.


And then they go on to create numerous code sections specifically to place costs of administration upon those citizens who want to possess or carry pistols or "assault weapons" as well as restruct their use.
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Originally Posted By ar2de:
In OP's state, no permit to purchase a LONG GUN. A lower is NOT a long gun. Just like you can not buy a lower OTC out of state, but you can buy a rifle.
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From what I can find in the code, a permit is required to purchase a pistol or 'assault weapon". A stripped lower is neither.
Link Posted: 7/18/2013 3:56:07 PM EST
I did the same thing the first time i tried to buy a lower here, i needed a pistol permit, had it in a week.
Link Posted: 7/18/2013 3:57:29 PM EST
Permit to purchase lmao. My buddy told me about that POS.

I grew up in that hippie infested place everyone calls Minnesota, scootin around in their Volkswagens and Volvos like they're enlightened and worldly.

Permit to purchase, fuck right off.
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From what I can find in the code, a permit is required to purchase a pistol or 'assault weapon". A stripped lower is neither.
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Originally Posted By ar2de:
In OP's state, no permit to purchase a LONG GUN. A lower is NOT a long gun. Just like you can not buy a lower OTC out of state, but you can buy a rifle.


From what I can find in the code, a permit is required to purchase a pistol or 'assault weapon". A stripped lower is neither.


But don't you have to specify which it is/will be (i.e. long gun or pistol), when you transfer it?
Link Posted: 7/18/2013 4:07:42 PM EST
Once again, I am reminded that am American by birth but Southern by the grace of God.
Permit. To buy
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But don't you have to specify which it is/will be (i.e. long gun or pistol), when you transfer it?
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Originally Posted By FredMan:
Originally Posted By ar2de:
In OP's state, no permit to purchase a LONG GUN. A lower is NOT a long gun. Just like you can not buy a lower OTC out of state, but you can buy a rifle.


From what I can find in the code, a permit is required to purchase a pistol or 'assault weapon". A stripped lower is neither.


But don't you have to specify which it is/will be (i.e. long gun or pistol), when you transfer it?


That is correct from all I've read thus far. You don't need to specify on or the other.

@nehpets99, you know I'd love to move to a free state, but I have a perfect love-hate relationship with Minnesota. I love the landscape and the weather and all the outdoor things there are to do here. I can trace my ancestry in MN back to the early 1800's. I hate the liberal politics, the nanny state-ers, and the growing FSA. And Al Franken, fuck that guy!
Link Posted: 7/18/2013 5:33:41 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Helium:


Yes, it's more Minnesota bullshit. You need a "permit to acquire" to purchase a pistol, but nothing for a shotgun or a rifle.
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Originally Posted By Helium:
Originally Posted By Peengwin:
You can't just fill out a 4473 and have them run the NICS?

What is a license to purchase? Some MN bullshit?


Yes, it's more Minnesota bullshit. You need a "permit to acquire" to purchase a pistol, but nothing for a shotgun or a rifle.



so... a barret .50 cal, or a ak-47 with 75 round drum is ok...... but a .22 lr derringer is not? makes sense.
Link Posted: 7/18/2013 5:33:45 PM EST
WTF. Your state sucks.
Link Posted: 7/18/2013 5:48:47 PM EST
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Originally Posted By HogJaws:
Permit to purchase lmao. My buddy told me about that POS.

I grew up in that hippie infested place everyone calls Minnesota, scootin around in their Volkswagens and Volvos like they're enlightened and worldly.

Permit to purchase, fuck right off.
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I can identify with your communication style.

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so... a barret .50 cal, or a ak-47 with 75 round drum is ok...... but a .22 lr derringer is not? makes sense.
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Originally posted by buck19delta:
Originally Posted By Helium:
Originally Posted By Peengwin:
You can't just fill out a 4473 and have them run the NICS?

What is a license to purchase? Some MN bullshit?


Yes, it's more Minnesota bullshit. You need a "permit to acquire" to purchase a pistol, but nothing for a shotgun or a rifle.



so... a barret .50 cal, or a ak-47 with 75 round drum is ok...... but a .22 lr derringer is not? makes sense.



Not sure about the Barrett, but the AK would be a no go, because it is a "military style assault weapon" and would require the permit to purchase.



Originally Posted By JVD:
WTF. Your state sucks.


I used to say the same about your state, right up until I realized that Wisconsin continues to move to the right, while Minnesota keeps slipping leftward. Got room over there in your free state? Oh, and your governor is f-Ing awesome too, nothing like governor "crazy eyes" Dayton over here.
Link Posted: 7/19/2013 7:16:19 AM EST
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I used to say the same about your state, right up until I realized that Wisconsin continues to move to the right, while Minnesota keeps slipping leftward. Got room over there in your free state? Oh, and your governor is f-Ing awesome too, nothing like governor "crazy eyes" Dayton over here.
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Originally Posted By Helium:
Originally Posted By JVD:
WTF. Your state sucks.


I used to say the same about your state, right up until I realized that Wisconsin continues to move to the right, while Minnesota keeps slipping leftward. Got room over there in your free state? Oh, and your governor is f-Ing awesome too, nothing like governor "crazy eyes" Dayton over here.


There's plenty of room. Do it -- I did! I moved just over the border more than 20 years ago after growing up in the Twin Cities. Haven't regretted it. Be advised there's still plenty of lefties here, though, especially in Madison.
Link Posted: 7/24/2013 11:03:14 PM EST
And actually anthing with a pistol grip will reguire a permit or carry permit.. shotguns, 22 cal ar looking rifles ect.
Link Posted: 7/24/2013 11:46:52 PM EST
Jesus are you in Illinois or some bullshit? Gross
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