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Posted: 2/5/2006 12:17:28 PM EST
[Last Edit: 2/6/2006 4:23:38 AM EST by w4klr]
Policy instead of orders actually.

An employee on our kitchen staff was working behind the fry side of the kitchen today and got busy. I guess he was soo busy that the Bersa Thunder in his ankle holster came loose.

The gun dropped right on the floor, and he didn't realize it was there for about an hour he claims. Another employee saw the gun and freaked out. And went to the General Manager. The GM pulled the employee out of the kitchen immediately and didn't reprimand him. Instead, he left me to do the reprimand (HR Manager). He brought him in my office, told me to follow whatever corporate policy we have on weapons for this (he knows nothing about hr policy, which works to my advantage for this situation) and left my office.

My company has a zero tolerance on employees carrying a concealed weapon, permit or not, and calls for immediate termination.

He is a decent guy, former Marine, has 3 kids at home etc, and he makes fairly good money working for us.

The poor guy looked like he was going to break down at the thought of losing his job of 5 years. And started yapping. "Please don't, I have a concealed weapon permit" and other things like that.

So this is what I did:

I told him, under policy he should be terminated immediately, but as an HR manager, I have authority to interperet each situation etc. I told him that since he had a concealed weapon permit (after he showed me) that I had no reason to end his employment. I told him that I understood it was an honest mistake. Then I gave him a website for milt sparks, told him to get a 1911 and a versamax II holster and don't carry on company property, leave it secured in the car.

He lit up like a christmas tree knowing that I wasn't going to can him. I told him enjoy the superbowl and don't let it happen again, because I won't be able to let it slide again.

My boss came in an hour later and asked me if I terminated him. I said no.


I understand that, and he was well within his constitutional right to do so.

(good thing he can't fire me, only corporate can)
Link Posted: 2/5/2006 12:21:28 PM EST
You sir are my new hero.
Link Posted: 2/5/2006 12:21:46 PM EST
Nice job!
Link Posted: 2/5/2006 12:22:32 PM EST
Well done.
Link Posted: 2/5/2006 12:25:12 PM EST
Link Posted: 2/5/2006 12:26:36 PM EST
You are a cool boss
Link Posted: 2/5/2006 12:27:07 PM EST

Originally Posted By Wraithtouch:
You sir are my new hero.

+1 and a whole bunch of zeros.
Link Posted: 2/5/2006 12:27:14 PM EST
Link Posted: 2/5/2006 12:27:48 PM EST
Someone in a mangement position that can *THINK*, *REASON* and use *SOUND JUDGEMENT*?

They need to clone your ass ASAP.

Link Posted: 2/5/2006 12:29:11 PM EST
Nicely done!
Link Posted: 2/5/2006 12:29:14 PM EST
You will go far...
Link Posted: 2/5/2006 12:30:21 PM EST
And all this time I thought "HR" was for "inHuman Resources"...guess I'll have to stop telling everyone that.
Link Posted: 2/5/2006 12:31:25 PM EST
Link Posted: 2/5/2006 12:31:25 PM EST
Good job!
Link Posted: 2/5/2006 12:31:59 PM EST
pat pat. <-patented, "virtual pat on the back"

Good job.
Link Posted: 2/5/2006 12:32:18 PM EST
Thank you for watching out for that Marine.
Link Posted: 2/5/2006 12:33:05 PM EST

Originally Posted By Airwolf:
Someone in a mangement HR position that can *THINK*, *REASON* and use *SOUND JUDGEMENT*?

They need to clone your ass ASAP.

I have a new found respect for those few in HR with common sense.

Link Posted: 2/5/2006 12:35:59 PM EST

Link Posted: 2/5/2006 12:36:47 PM EST
Someone in HR who is actually human? Sweet.
Link Posted: 2/5/2006 12:40:40 PM EST
[Last Edit: 2/5/2006 12:43:02 PM EST by XGunBunny]

My company also has no tolerance for firearms on company property, or in company vehicles. It was not always this way, but we had an incident a few years ago where a manager was verbally threatened, the employee was fired and while he was cleaning his stuff out of his company truck before being sent home, the manager witnessed the guy grabbing a pistol and putting it into a bag along with some other personal stuff. Immediately the company issued a no tolerance policy on firearms.

In reality, not many people pay attention to the rule. The guys that carry all know who they can trust and who they can't. I told my team my views on the subject. Went something like this. Company policy is no firearms on company property or in the company vehicles. Now I consider concealed carry to be outside of the company policy. I can legally search the company trucks, computer bags, tool bags/boxes, desks and storage areas, but I cannot legally search an employees person, nor can I request that employee to do a strip search. So out of site, out of mind.
Link Posted: 2/5/2006 12:41:29 PM EST
Good on you, man. Hope you don't suffer any negative aftereffects, but you did the right thing.
Link Posted: 2/5/2006 12:41:55 PM EST
no more ankel carry!
Link Posted: 2/5/2006 12:46:31 PM EST
Your actions are commendable sir. Thank the Marine for his service to our country.

side note: My HR mgr has CCW & advised me a bit when I aquired mine. He was careful to point out company policy regarding firearms....prohibited of course....but they can remain secured in your vehicle.

Times have changed though. Years ago rules for telco installers were that you had to AT LEAST come to a full stop when shooting pheasants from your company truck. You were also required to hose down your truck if you hauled your recently killed buck on the ladder rack. Blood running down the side of a white company van conveys a bad image.
Link Posted: 2/5/2006 12:47:15 PM EST
You sir, are a Patriot and a Gentleman.
Link Posted: 2/5/2006 12:52:50 PM EST
Rock on!

Zero tolerance = I don't have to think.

Glad for his sake that you did think.
Link Posted: 2/5/2006 12:52:52 PM EST
you made arfcom proud
Link Posted: 2/5/2006 12:53:20 PM EST
he will come in tomarow and start killing everyone...

Link Posted: 2/5/2006 12:59:19 PM EST
My Friend YOU ARE THE MAN, We need more like you SIR
Link Posted: 2/5/2006 1:05:53 PM EST
Thank you!
Link Posted: 2/5/2006 1:06:35 PM EST
Good Job!
Link Posted: 2/5/2006 1:21:24 PM EST
Way to go, wish I had and HR Mgr. like you.
Link Posted: 2/5/2006 5:16:57 PM EST
Hehehe thanks for the kind words guys .
Link Posted: 2/5/2006 5:18:43 PM EST

Originally Posted By gaspain:
you made arfcom proud

Link Posted: 2/5/2006 5:19:47 PM EST
Link Posted: 2/5/2006 5:19:54 PM EST
Link Posted: 2/5/2006 5:19:56 PM EST
Very nice
Link Posted: 2/5/2006 5:21:25 PM EST

Originally Posted By ScrubJ:

Originally Posted By Wraithtouch:
You sir are my new hero.

+1 and a whole bunch of zeros.

+ eleventy billion.
Link Posted: 2/5/2006 5:22:17 PM EST
Good holster advice.
Link Posted: 2/5/2006 5:23:50 PM EST
thank you for standing up for what you knew was the right thing to do, nomatter what the consiquinces. We need more men in this country with balls like you.
Link Posted: 2/5/2006 5:25:51 PM EST
You did a good thing. Thank you.

Link Posted: 2/5/2006 5:26:25 PM EST
Nicely done! The world could use more people like you.
Link Posted: 2/5/2006 5:26:32 PM EST
Good job telling him to get a 1911.
Link Posted: 2/5/2006 5:29:27 PM EST
Are you concerned that your GM may go to corporate with it?
Link Posted: 2/5/2006 5:33:12 PM EST
[Last Edit: 2/5/2006 5:51:27 PM EST by david_g17]

Originally Posted By criley:
Are you concerned that your GM may go to corporate with it?

and wouldn't it be ironic if the corporate level person was an arfcommer as well

good job, btw, we must all hang together...
Link Posted: 2/5/2006 5:34:21 PM EST
Good job. We have to take care of our own.
Link Posted: 2/5/2006 5:35:05 PM EST
You deserve a huge raise & promotion for your wise choices. You have won his loyalty & should never have any problems from him, only appreciation and sincere respect.
Link Posted: 2/5/2006 5:38:13 PM EST
go get yourself another steak!
Link Posted: 2/5/2006 5:39:00 PM EST

Originally Posted By criley:
Are you concerned that your GM may go to corporate with it?

Link Posted: 2/5/2006 5:41:51 PM EST
You did the right thing.

This means you'll be fired soon for it.

Link Posted: 2/5/2006 5:42:21 PM EST

Originally Posted By Wraithtouch:
You sir are my new hero.


Link Posted: 2/5/2006 5:43:11 PM EST
Bravo w4klr !
It's nice to see a manager doing the right thing.
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