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Posted: 8/22/2004 8:00:58 AM EST
Link Posted: 8/22/2004 8:11:59 AM EST
Gonna be an interesting wake-up call.

Link Posted: 8/22/2004 8:27:16 AM EST
I cant wait for the towns and cities around the closed bases to feel the impact of hundred's of thousands of dollars being sucked out of their pockets.
Link Posted: 8/22/2004 8:34:11 AM EST
I've wondered for the last 10 years when the U.S. was finally going to pull the remaining troops out of germany and other western european locations. Seems like a smart move - and especialyl funny if it hurts the germans in the only place they care (their wallet).
Link Posted: 8/22/2004 8:34:20 AM EST
Link Posted: 8/22/2004 8:36:25 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/22/2004 8:37:13 AM EST by EricTheHun]
Link Posted: 8/22/2004 8:43:20 AM EST

Originally Posted By EricTheHun:

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
I've wondered for the last 10 years when the U.S. was finally going to pull the remaining troops out of germany and other western european locations. Seems like a smart move - and especialyl funny if it hurts the germans in the only place they care (their wallet).


I know that you must have felt extremely proud, DK-Prof, in seeing honorable mention given to both the Danes and the Dutch in Mr. Hanson's piece!

He prolly doesn't know which one you are, either, so he praised both!

Eric The(Lachende)Hun



Not only that - but I appreciated you highlighting it.

It sometimes depresses me when arfcommers rant about how "Europe" sucks, without taking into account that Denmark and Portugal have about as much in common as the U.S. and Nicaragua. So it's especially nice to see someone who draws the correct distinctions between the various countries in europe.

I also heard an intersting book review the other day - of a new book by Jeremy Rifkin, called "The European Dream" - where he's looking at the difference between the European model of society and the U.S. model (and "the American Dream"). I ordered a copy, so I'll hopefully have a good read next week.
Link Posted: 8/22/2004 8:50:27 AM EST
Sometimes at night I pray that Russia and/or China steamrolls over Europe.

Just the whole karmic-payback schadenfreude thing, you know.
Link Posted: 8/22/2004 8:55:36 AM EST
Tagged for later.
Link Posted: 8/22/2004 9:06:50 AM EST

. The Danish, the Dutch, the Italians, and the Eastern Europeans...


It might be time for our true friends in Europe to realize what trailer trash (FRANCE, Germany) they are living next to and bail out (emigrate) to the UK or US. The Muslims want continental Europe? Let them have it. Hope the Greens and all the other scolialist a**holes enjoy their new buds.

btw, I was watching a special on the Allies establishing an organization to return looted art & property taken by the Nazis - seems the French trash bastards forget about the good stuff we did after wars, nooo, we're just imperialist warmongers.

Europe won't realize how fucked they are until they are living in Muslim-dominated countries where they are the minority. One would hope by then our borders will be firmly sealed.

Link Posted: 8/22/2004 9:14:19 AM EST
Interesting times ahead for Europe in the next 20 years or so.
Link Posted: 8/22/2004 9:16:22 AM EST
The thing about this supposed "European Culture" is how long will it last?

Because of the 11 odd Eastern Bloc countries just admitted into the EU that are far more pro US than they are pro France or German. Besides countries like Denmark, Portugal and England in the "old Europe" what is the effect of Poland, Hungary, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Romainia, Ukraine, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, and Finland on the attempt to push the French/German/Sweedish pan European Socialist dream?

Or will these new countries use the fact they have the ADVANTAGE- so long as the EU retains a Unicamerial parliment that votes by state like our old Congress under the Articles of Confederation- over France/Germany and their partners to force change? Who do these countries want to be like?

Will they demand a change to a US style Federal Republic for Europe? With two houses to equalize population size and economic difference and large degree of autonomy for the States?
Link Posted: 8/22/2004 9:23:53 AM EST
It would seem that with ten years to accomplish this move we might be able to reinforce or expand our presence in countries that are our friends. While still denying the utopian assholes our free security service.
Link Posted: 8/22/2004 9:55:39 AM EST
I'm pretty sure that at some point down the line we'll pretty much be standing alone.

France is already well on it's way to being a muslim dominated country.
Link Posted: 8/22/2004 11:04:50 AM EST
$5 says within 20 years we're going to get another decent sized war in Asia and/or Europe

1)China taking over Taiwan, which would set of Korea, and maybe a fight in Southeast Asia etc over resources and other stuff.

2)France and Germany trying to run the EU, discovering the smaller countries don't like it, and maybe decideding that they (France and Germany) need to keep the "children" in line (Chirac seems like he wants to do this now, with the way he speaks and his attitude).

Link Posted: 8/22/2004 11:22:40 AM EST
Link Posted: 8/22/2004 11:29:10 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/22/2004 11:35:53 AM EST by DK-Prof]

Originally Posted By ArmdLbrl:
The thing about this supposed "European Culture" is how long will it last?

Because of the 11 odd Eastern Bloc countries just admitted into the EU that are far more pro US than they are pro France or German. Besides countries like Denmark, Portugal and England in the "old Europe" what is the effect of Poland, Hungary, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Romainia, Ukraine, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, and Finland on the attempt to push the French/German/Sweedish pan European Socialist dream?

Or will these new countries use the fact they have the ADVANTAGE- so long as the EU retains a Unicamerial parliment that votes by state like our old Congress under the Articles of Confederation- over France/Germany and their partners to force change? Who do these countries want to be like?

Will they demand a change to a US style Federal Republic for Europe? With two houses to equalize population size and economic difference and large degree of autonomy for the States?




I think that a lot of the smaller coutries in the EU - like Denmark and Holland - are increasingly becoming disillusioned with the whole idea of a union.

Also, I think that REALLY restrictive immigration laws, like the ones Denmark has now instituted, are going to becomes more and more the norm. (I sure hope so!)


ETA: Quite frankly, I'd love to see Scandinavia recreate the Kalmar Union - Sweden, Denmark and Norway as one union. Then Finland, Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania could join too - and that would be a nice little economic union that wouldn't have to be pushed around by the EU, the new German-French alliance, or worry about losing or diluting our culture. (Only problem with reviving the Kalmar Union is that ALL of those countries hate the Swedes ).
Link Posted: 8/22/2004 11:35:25 AM EST

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:

Originally Posted By ArmdLbrl:
The thing about this supposed "European Culture" is how long will it last?

Because of the 11 odd Eastern Bloc countries just admitted into the EU that are far more pro US than they are pro France or German. Besides countries like Denmark, Portugal and England in the "old Europe" what is the effect of Poland, Hungary, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Romainia, Ukraine, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, and Finland on the attempt to push the French/German/Sweedish pan European Socialist dream?

Or will these new countries use the fact they have the ADVANTAGE- so long as the EU retains a Unicamerial parliment that votes by state like our old Congress under the Articles of Confederation- over France/Germany and their partners to force change? Who do these countries want to be like?

Will they demand a change to a US style Federal Republic for Europe? With two houses to equalize population size and economic difference and large degree of autonomy for the States?




I think that a lot of the smaller coutries in the EU - like Denmark and Holland - are increasingly becoming disillusioned with the whole idea of a union.

Also, I think that REALLY restrictive immigration laws, like the ones Denmark has now instituted, are going to becomes more and more the norm. (I sure hope so!)



Disallusioned with the idea of a union or the idea of THIS UNION? A European Federal Republic would seem to be in their economic best interest. Can the small countries compete in the global arena on their own or will they be dominated/threatened by Germany, France, and Russia and their recurring dreams of dominating Europe?

When we formed our current Constitution it was the big states, Pennsylvania, New York, Virginia, and Massachusettes (which still owned Maine then) who had the most to lose in the union and the small states who really NEEDED the protection of a stronger goverment. I would think this would be true in Europe too.
Link Posted: 8/22/2004 11:36:49 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/22/2004 1:03:43 PM EST by DK-Prof]

Originally Posted By ArmdLbrl:
Disallusioned with the idea of a union or the idea of THIS UNION? A European Federal Republic would seem to be in their economic best interest. Can the small countries compete in the global arena on their own or will they be dominated/threatened by Germany, France, and Russia and their recurring dreams of dominating Europe?

When we formed our current Constitution it was the big states, Pennsylvania, New York, Virginia, and Massachusettes (which still owned Maine then) who had the most to lose in the union and the small states who really NEEDED the protection of a stronger goverment. I would think this would be true in Europe too.




... good points. I added my fantasy - the Kalmar Union - which kind of answers your point. (I added it to the post above, but you had already quoted it before I edited it. Sorry)
Link Posted: 8/22/2004 12:10:11 PM EST
HA HA!!!


Now you have to look after your own asses !!!!


Oh, you have too many illegals from the Middle East to contend with? Terrorism on the rise???

Feeling bad ,do you bunkie??


TOO BAD , SO SAD!!!

Now ya gotta fend for yourselves.





Link Posted: 8/22/2004 5:37:54 PM EST

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:

Originally Posted By ArmdLbrl:
The thing about this supposed "European Culture" is how long will it last?

Because of the 11 odd Eastern Bloc countries just admitted into the EU that are far more pro US than they are pro France or German. Besides countries like Denmark, Portugal and England in the "old Europe" what is the effect of Poland, Hungary, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Romainia, Ukraine, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, and Finland on the attempt to push the French/German/Sweedish pan European Socialist dream?

Or will these new countries use the fact they have the ADVANTAGE- so long as the EU retains a Unicamerial parliment that votes by state like our old Congress under the Articles of Confederation- over France/Germany and their partners to force change? Who do these countries want to be like?

Will they demand a change to a US style Federal Republic for Europe? With two houses to equalize population size and economic difference and large degree of autonomy for the States?




I think that a lot of the smaller coutries in the EU - like Denmark and Holland - are increasingly becoming disillusioned with the whole idea of a union.

Also, I think that REALLY restrictive immigration laws, like the ones Denmark has now instituted, are going to becomes more and more the norm. (I sure hope so!)


ETA: Quite frankly, I'd love to see Scandinavia recreate the Kalmar Union - Sweden, Denmark and Norway as one union. Then Finland, Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania could join too - and that would be a nice little economic union that wouldn't have to be pushed around by the EU, the new German-French alliance, or worry about losing or diluting our culture. (Only problem with reviving the Kalmar Union is that ALL of those countries hate the Swedes ).



Why don't Denmark, Norway & Finland apply to become the 51st through 53rd states? It's been 45 years since we've added any states and we could use some shoreline that isn't overrun with condos and billboards pushing ambulamce chasing lawyers and diet pills. Plus Germany & France would absolutely stroke out.

Eventually, all the cool countries in Europe could become "US-Eastern Division" and France and Germany and all the other socialist nutbags could go down the dumper.
Link Posted: 8/22/2004 5:44:40 PM EST

Originally Posted By Merrell:
Why don't Denmark, Norway & Finland apply to become the 51st through 53rd states? It's been 45 years since we've added any states and we could use some shoreline that isn't overrun with condos and billboards pushing ambulamce chasing lawyers and diet pills. Plus Germany & France would absolutely stroke out.

Eventually, all the cool countries in Europe could become "US-Eastern Division" and France and Germany and all the other socialist nutbags could go down the dumper.




Hehe - if we did, maybe a Chrysler 300M would get a little cheaper than a $140,000 that it is priced at in Denmark


The U.S. could have an open casting call among all the nations in the world - like American Idol, where countries would compete be become the 51st state. That would be hilarious!
Link Posted: 8/22/2004 5:45:51 PM EST

Originally Posted By jblachly:
Sometimes at night I pray that Russia and/or China steamrolls over Europe.



Yeah, but would the Europeans even notice?
Link Posted: 8/22/2004 5:52:24 PM EST

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:

Originally Posted By Merrell:
Why don't Denmark, Norway & Finland apply to become the 51st through 53rd states? It's been 45 years since we've added any states and we could use some shoreline that isn't overrun with condos and billboards pushing ambulamce chasing lawyers and diet pills. Plus Germany & France would absolutely stroke out.

Eventually, all the cool countries in Europe could become "US-Eastern Division" and France and Germany and all the other socialist nutbags could go down the dumper.




Hehe - if we did, maybe a Chrysler 300M would get a little cheaper than a $140,000 that it is priced at in Denmark


The U.S. could have an open casting call among all the nations in the world - like American Idol, where countries would compete be become the 51st state. That would be hilarious!



Or make it like "Statehood Survivor"... each season France gets it's skanky butt voted off the island first, followed by Germany.... decades would pass, until finally the ENTIRE PLANET is states of the US EXCEPT for France, Germany & Quebec.

Link Posted: 8/22/2004 5:54:42 PM EST
I agree with the substance of that piece. However, I must also point out that it is a damned fine piece of writing.
Link Posted: 8/22/2004 6:52:48 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/22/2004 6:53:49 PM EST by Attman]

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:



The U.S. could have an open casting call among all the nations in the world - like American Idol, where countries would compete be become the 51st state. That would be hilarious!



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